ATLANTA | Construction Thread V

[Pessimistic Observer]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

Ticket sales hit $1M. They said ticket revenues were 30% greater than last year. I'm not sure on attendance numbers.

I agree about the shade. Heat and humidity were brutal.

my bad i meant 30k for attendance.
Also they had alot more premium seats than years past. Which is almost entirely due to the way they setup stadium court with the top of the west end almost being street level. They could then use the side of the street for a large premium suite seating area.

[micropundit]

President Barack Obama is expected to announce Thursday the final selection of Atlanta’s Multi-Modal Passenger Terminal (MMPT) as one of a small group of projects from across the country to participate in the Dashboard initiative,The infrastructure initiative, which will fast-track review and permitting decisions on projects chosen for their potential to create jobs.

While federal environmental reviews typically take up to four years, the Dashboard initiative could rush the MMPT through that process in as little as 18 months.








http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/n...k-atlanta.html

[sevensixtwo]

Is this project connected to TSPLOST in any financial chicanery? If this gets the federal go ahead days before the vote, will that make people more willing to vote no and wait for a bill that isn't so horrible to come along? Here's the top 10 lies about the transpo bill.

The distribution of voting rights among the counties is totally undemocratic and regressive. Supposedly based on population it was decided that Fulton county having two votes was fair. What no one is talking about is the reformation of Milton county is going to happen much sooner than later. Then Fulton county will have one vote just like all the other, despite having as much as 5x population.

If we vote NO on tsplost then there will be a much better version of the bill on the ballot next year. The distribution of voting rights among the counties as the bill stands is totally undemocratic and regressive.

I don't believe transportation is a human right, but I do believe public transit in Georgia is based on taxing the poor. Let's get this federal paycheck and negotiate a better deal for ourselves.

Don't take the power away from those who need progressive/modern transit most. This subsidy in the Gulch is going to change things big time. Let's not jump the gun and vote for the first little scrap they throw our way.

NO TSPLOST

[L.ARCH]

That's the biggest pile of horse shit Ive ever seen dude. I actually laughed while reading that. There is so much misinformation on that list it is ridiculous. The TSPLOST will do nothing but good for this city. You might argue the respective benefits for our neighboring suburbs, but for the city itself, this is the greatest opportunity we've had to invest in ourselves in my lifetime and my colleagues, friends and I plan on voting yes.

[bigstick]

Originally Posted by L.ARCH

That's the biggest pile of horse shit Ive ever seen dude. I actually laughed while reading that. There is so much misinformation on that list it is ridiculous. The TSPLOST will do nothing but good for this city. You might argue the respective benefits for our neighboring suburbs, but for the city itself, this is the greatest opportunity we've had to invest in ourselves in my lifetime and my colleagues, friends and I plan on voting yes.

I am voting YES as well, this will propel Atlanta to the true Capitol of the South, I am sick of Charlotte and Nashville breathing down our necks. People who vote no are just hurting the economy more and more and we may never recover, vote for the Casino Gambling too......................

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

Is this project connected to TSPLOST in any financial chicanery? If this gets the federal go ahead days before the vote, will that make people more willing to vote no and wait for a bill that isn't so horrible to come along? Here's the top 10 lies about the transpo bill.

The distribution of voting rights among the counties is totally undemocratic and regressive. Supposedly based on population it was decided that Fulton county having two votes was fair. What no one is talking about is the reformation of Milton county is going to happen much sooner than later. Then Fulton county will have one vote just like all the other, despite having as much as 5x population.

If we vote NO on tsplost then there will be a much better version of the bill on the ballot next year. The distribution of voting rights among the counties as the bill stands is totally undemocratic and regressive.

I don't believe transportation is a human right, but I do believe public transit in Georgia is based on taxing the poor. Let's get this federal paycheck and negotiate a better deal for ourselves.

Don't take the power away from those who need progressive/modern transit most. This subsidy in the Gulch is going to change things big time. Let's not jump the gun and vote for the first little scrap they throw our way.

NO TSPLOST

No, this project isn't related to TSPLOST. No, this announcement isn't about funds. It's about "fast tracking" the project from roughly a 4 year process, to a 18 to 24 month process. This, coupled with TSPLOST, is a step in the right direction. I saw you post this on Reddit as well and I believe you're terribly misinformed based on what you've been sharing and linking to.

[ChadK]

Originally Posted by L.ARCH

That's the biggest pile of horse shit Ive ever seen dude. I actually laughed while reading that. There is so much misinformation on that list it is ridiculous. The TSPLOST will do nothing but good for this city. You might argue the respective benefits for our neighboring suburbs, but for the city itself, this is the greatest opportunity we've had to invest in ourselves in my lifetime and my colleagues, friends and I plan on voting yes.

I thought the same thing. I'm voting YES.

The referendum includes many improvement projects, but my main interest is in a quicker timeframe for beltline transit (increases the timeframe from approx 20 years to approx 5 years) and additional streetcars in town (North Avenue and Peachtree).

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

Is this project connected to TSPLOST in any financial chicanery? If this gets the federal go ahead days before the vote, will that make people more willing to vote no and wait for a bill that isn't so horrible to come along? Here's the top 10 lies about the transpo bill.

The distribution of voting rights among the counties is totally undemocratic and regressive. Supposedly based on population it was decided that Fulton county having two votes was fair. What no one is talking about is the reformation of Milton county is going to happen much sooner than later. Then Fulton county will have one vote just like all the other, despite having as much as 5x population.

If we vote NO on tsplost then there will be a much better version of the bill on the ballot next year. The distribution of voting rights among the counties as the bill stands is totally undemocratic and regressive.

I don't believe transportation is a human right, but I do believe public transit in Georgia is based on taxing the poor. Let's get this federal paycheck and negotiate a better deal for ourselves.

Don't take the power away from those who need progressive/modern transit most. This subsidy in the Gulch is going to change things big time. Let's not jump the gun and vote for the first little scrap they throw our way.

NO TSPLOST

Man, you really need to get your facts straight before posting nonsense.

First off, IF a referendum were to come up again it legally could not be put on the ballot for at least 2 years, but much more likely 4 years. And who's to say we would not come up with more or less the same list again. And that is only if the legislatures want to go through that herculean task of getting a 10 county region to agree again!! If this were to fail all we could expect in the foreseeable future would be more toll roads with money only going to roads. There is no funding for transit. This is it!

Also, we are not just going to be handed federal money. The city of Atlanta has to put up it's own money first for transportation. Passing this referendum will show the federal government we are serious about fixing our problems. Only then will we win federal grants for transportation projects. Just like we did for the Atlanta Streetcar currently under construction.

Already voted YES for TSPLOST!!

[bigstick]

Originally Posted by ChrisInmanPark

Man, you really need to get your facts straight before posting nonsense.

First off, IF a referendum were to come up again it legally could not be put on the ballot for at least 2 years, but much more likely 4 years. And who's to say we would not come up with more or less the same list again. And that is only if the legislatures want to go through that herculean task of getting a 10 county region to agree again!! If this were to fail all we could expect in the foreseeable future would be more toll roads with money only going to roads. There is no funding for transit. This is it!

Also, we are not just going to be handed federal money. The city of Atlanta has to put up it's own money first for transportation. Passing this referendum will show the federal government we are serious about fixing our problems. Only then will we win federal grants for transportation projects. Just like we did for the Atlanta Streetcar currently under construction.

Already voted YES for TSPLOST!!

Excellent post, people who vote NO are simply losers who do not care about the well being of our region.

[joecool]

I think more people are voting yes on this than we originally thought. Everyone I have talked to are voting yes, so lets hope we have more yes votes than no.

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by joecool

I think more people are voting yes on this than we originally thought. Everyone I have talked to are voting yes, so lets hope we have more yes votes than no.

I would expect sentiment on this forum to be strongly in favor of a "yes" vote. I plan on voting "yes" too. However, on a neighborhood forum (I live in East Atlanta, zip 30316), sentiment is running decidedly against it. Much more "No" comments and arguments than "yes" ones.

I'm concerned it's going to fail.

[hamster]

If you try to make everyone happy you make no one happy.

TSPLOST is not going to be perfect for everyone, but it is the only proposal that has been vetted by the metro Atlanta counties that we get to vote on. TSPLOST will create temporary construction jobs to build this infrastructure. TSPLOST will relieve congestion and allow businesses to remain in or expand in Atlanta. TSPOST will also improve commute times for Atlanta residents in the short term (we may need to do vote for another TSPLOST if Atlanta grows substantially).

There is no such thing as a free lunch; Atlanta needs to solve Atlanta’s problems. These TSPLOST projects will be local and paid for locally (there may be some state/federal money, but I am no expert on the funding side). Taxes need to be collected to pay for infrastructure improvements. The best idea would be to increase the gas tax or implement tolls to charge everyone for using the roads, and also charge ticket prices high enough to make public transit break-even. That way, those who are not using the roads or public transit would not have to subsidize those that overuse these public goods. However, I realize that this is politically infeasible.

For those that don't like TSPLOST, you should have spoken up when this TSPLOST was being debated on. Now you just sound whiny, and your scare tactics are pathetic. I cannot wait to cast my "YES" vote on July 31.

[testarossa50]

And I'll say one last time for the anti-road-widening crowd. The oft-demonized TSPLOST road widening projects in basically all cases include full pedestrian facilities (sidewalks, bike lanes, signals, etc). So don't think that just because a road is being widened in Clayton or Douglas or Henry county that it's all bad. We're talking about adding roughly a HUNDRED MILES of new sidewalks and bike lanes in suburban areas that currently lack them.

I'm very much for public transit, but these added pedestrian facilities (which I'll probably never use personally, since MARTA doesn't go to these counties) are a big bonus to me. I'm just sick of hearing about pedestrians getting killed throughout the metro.

Vote YES, people.

[Terminus]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

And I'll say one last time for the anti-road-widening crowd. The oft-demonized TSPLOST road widening projects in basically all cases include full pedestrian facilities (sidewalks, bike lanes, signals, etc).

Thank you for making that point!

Of all the roadway projects I'm most excited about the one to provide access to the GM site in Doraville with a new roadway and bridge (with bike lanes and wide sidewalks) over the railroad track from Shallowford Road to Buford Highway. Without this bridge, the redevelopment of GM (a transit-oriented development) will not be possible as vehicular access to the site is so poor. As much as we all support TOD, transit access alone is not enough to justify projects.

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

And I'll say one last time for the anti-road-widening crowd. The oft-demonized TSPLOST road widening projects in basically all cases include full pedestrian facilities (sidewalks, bike lanes, signals, etc). So don't think that just because a road is being widened in Clayton or Douglas or Henry county that it's all bad. We're talking about adding roughly a HUNDRED MILES of new sidewalks and bike lanes in suburban areas that currently lack them.

I'm very much for public transit, but these added pedestrian facilities (which I'll probably never use personally, since MARTA doesn't go to these counties) are a big bonus to me. I'm just sick of hearing about pedestrians getting killed throughout the metro.

Vote YES, people.

Good point! Almost 60% of road project will adhere to "Complete Streets" standards, meaning bike lanes and side walks. As an advid cyclist believe me, we need this in Atlanta. Bikes also bring cars off the road.

And don't forget about poor Buford highway. It has a high pedestrian population with large stretches of no sidewalks and miles between cross walks. I just read that 20 pedestrians have died on Buford Highway in the last 10 years. Fixing pedestrian infrastructure will save lives!

[hamster]

[Immovable_Media]

that this is a CONSTRUCTION thread related to BUILDINGS. Not transportation. Please take the TSplost debate over to the TRANSPORTATION related board. t-shutthefuckuplost already. Ya'll are cluttering up this nice forum with you're rants.

[Immovable_Media]

Originally Posted by hamster

Thanks for the photos! The big three local universities (Emory, Tech, State) are keeping us busy with all their development.

[sevensixtwo]

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[sevensixtwo]

I was not correct in calling it a grant. Still that is semantics. The Feds just announced a huge cash infusion to Atlanta.