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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 12:14 AM
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In some ways, a Nova Scotia with 75% of the population living in metro Halifax would be a much poorer, less varied and less interesting place......
In what ways?

I think you are conflating two things that are unrelated or might even be negatively correlated. Small town NS isn't doing poorly because Halifax is doing well, it's in decline because heavy industry is in decline around North America and because primary industry requires less labour than it used to. The newer industries are generally not very suited to rural areas. These are large-scale trends affecting the whole planet, not results of a conspiracy to promote Halifax at the expense of everywhere else.

I think that economic growth in Halifax has actually helped many rural areas by adding to the provincial coffers, and by directly injecting tourism dollars and providing a market for products. I doubt the NS wine industry would have gotten much of a start without the NSLC selling in Halifax for example. If Halifax had a good economy and, say, 2 million consumers instead of what it has now the opportunities for nearby towns would be enormous.

The idea that success in one part of the province or region takes away from other parts is quite misguided. At the end of the day I suspect it's based on a dependency on handouts and the idea that the economy is driven by goodies doled out by the various levels of government -- people think that whatever Halifax has was doled out there can could have been doled out in CB (or wherever) instead. The idea of innovation driving the economy doesn't enter into this line of thinking and explains why some areas are doing so poorly.
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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 12:25 AM
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I agree.

I'm a strong supporter of the Nova Centre and I appreciate growth and development in HRM, but it's a shame that the whole province (especially Cape Breton) can't share in the prosperity.

In some ways, a Nova Scotia with 75% of the population living in metro Halifax would be a much poorer, less varied and less interesting place......
I agree I want to see all of Nova Scotia grow and prosper but without taking away from the growth of Halifax.
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It's sad. Halifax is an island of prosperity in a province that is in decline in every way imaginable. One of the things I like about Nova Scotia is that you can't drive more than 20 minutes without hitting a community, town, etc.

At the rate things are going in 50 years the tiny communities under 1,000 people that dot the province will turn into ghost towns. Is the Michelin plant still in operation?
Michelins 3 plants are still going strong. Matter of fact there are VERY strong rumors that the Waterville plant is going to be doing a multi-million dollar expansion soon.'

Rather than tripping over themselves to give money to call centres, and old paper mills, the government of this province needs to find more Michelins.
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And yet when Pictou got a new rec centre, funded purely with public dollars, they didn't do consultation here in Halifax to get my input. Halifax is treated differently because it is the big bad bogeyman that people love to hate.
Wait... Pictou has a new rec centre?
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In some ways, a Nova Scotia with 75% of the population living in metro Halifax would be a much poorer, less varied and less interesting place......
I agree as well.

It would take some serious turn around but I think the NS split should be 50% Metro Halifax, 10% CBRM, 15% large towns (Amherst, New Glasgow area, Truro, Wolf/Kent/New Minas), 15% small towns (ie Oxford, Yarmouth), and 10% rural. I hate to be the "bad guy" but some towns that were once big should not be big anymore. Yarmouth is possibly the best example. Once its industry started to modernize it shrunk. Being the end of the road in NS and having little natural resources its down to the size it should be.

Just a peek into what I think it should be lets say Nova Scotia were to grow moderately to 1 million people

Metro Halifax - 500'000
Cape Breton RM - 95-105'000
Truro Area - 60'000
Pictou County Centre - 35'000
Valley Regional - 40'000
Greater Amherst - 15'000
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If it weren't for Halifax, NS would be screwed.
If it weren't for Halifax, the Maritimes would be screwed.
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If it weren't for Halifax, the Maritimes would be screwed.
I don't think St. John or Moncton need Halifax as much as some believe.
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I agree as well.

It would take some serious turn around but I think the NS split should be 50% Metro Halifax, 10% CBRM, 15% large towns (Amherst, New Glasgow area, Truro, Wolf/Kent/New Minas), 15% small towns (ie Oxford, Yarmouth), and 10% rural. I hate to be the "bad guy" but some towns that were once big should not be big anymore. Yarmouth is possibly the best example. Once its industry started to modernize it shrunk. Being the end of the road in NS and having little natural resources its down to the size it should be.

Just a peek into what I think it should be lets say Nova Scotia were to grow moderately to 1 million people

Metro Halifax - 500'000
Cape Breton RM - 95-105'000
Truro Area - 60'000
Pictou County Centre - 35'000
Valley Regional - 40'000
Greater Amherst - 15'000
Im hoping that if Halifax reaches a certain critical mass it will be large enough to start bouying the overall provincial population and perhaps give better economic prosperity to small towns around the province.
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Apparently the new design is going to be unveiled in the fall. That will be interesting to see -- hopefully they will improve some of the street-level characteristics of the development.
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In tonights webinar, I think it was made very clear that the streetscape should be a true streetscape and not a wall and to be open and inviting. I think good things are going to happen with this, nay Great things!
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And yet when Pictou got a new rec centre, funded purely with public dollars, they didn't do consultation here in Halifax to get my input. Halifax is treated differently because it is the big bad bogeyman that people love to hate.
Which is a shame. Growing up in the Valley, I loved Halifax. I wanted to move to Halifax. I graduated school and was pursuing work in Halifax. And, even now that I am out of the province, I am still very interested in Halifax's development.

There are certainly many bitter, uninformed / uneducated people who have never left their small communities who see Halifax as a boogeyman, but I think that many Nova Scotians (hopefully a growing number, but I doubt it) recognize the importance of having a strong capital. I feel that any investment to improve Halifax is an investment to improve Nova Scotia as a whole.

Halifax needs to be strong, simple as that. But a strong Halifax has implications for the whole province. Maybe you'll get people coming out scared of the "big bad bogeyman," but I think that there are also members of these outside communities that have significant stake in a Halifax project of this scale. Having a strong Halifax is in the interest of many more rural Nova Scotians than having a strong Pictou is in the interest of Haligonians. I agree with the consultation strategy, at least in terms of location.
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I dont think that many see Halifax as a "boogeyman". People want Halifax to succeed. They also want the REST of Nova Scotia to succeed as well. Thats the issue.

When someone from rural Nova Scotia sees jobs leaving their community and several hundred million being spent on a convention centre in Halifax, then yeah there can be some resentment and jealousy.

People dont want to be forced to leave the community they grew up in and are happy in, in order to find work (no matter how much of a reality it is)
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How many companies, construction workers etc. from outside HRM will benefit from major projects like this and the rest of Halifax's booming economy?

It's a win-win for everyone, and if a few rural Nova Scotian's are too dumb to see that, it's their loss.
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I am all for Halifax and ALL the upcoming development, but I have first hand witnessed the rural attitude of everything going to Halifax.... I agree with the last person that people don't really appreciate what this does for the entire province even region. The wealth really can be spread far and wide and people don't realize to get to Halifax, they have to drive through NB and through NS, if coming by car to Halifax. Plus people outside the city will gain employment, either directly or indirectly from this!!
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I am all for Halifax and ALL the upcoming development, but I have first hand witnessed the rural attitude of everything going to Halifax.... I agree with the last person that people don't really appreciate what this does for the entire province even region. The wealth really can be spread far and wide and people don't realize to get to Halifax, they have to drive through NB and through NS, if coming by car to Halifax. Plus people outside the city will gain employment, either directly or indirectly from this!!
The rural misconception is that everything goes to Halifax / Halifax gets everything, on and on. I think a lot of rural people confuse private development / investment with gov. handouts. Also work such as sidewalk and street construction could be seen as provincial gov. funds when it is mostly funded by very high city property taxes.

I think the province should work on a Gateway Strategy that promotes the corridor between Truro and Halifax as a high development sector. This is the main entry into the province on a very good highway and you are connecting HRM the airport and Truro.
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In the Development Rumour thread it is rumoured that Joe Ramia has bought the building just down the road on Grafton St, maybe this can be used in connection with the new Nova Centre somehow via tunnel or overhead pedway. It could even be another hotel.
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Any rumours as to the name of the Luxury hotel coming to Nova Centre?
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Finally an update from the CH today, August 25th, 2012

A dig through history precedes real construction
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By REMO ZACCAGNA Business Reporter
Rank Inc. president and CEO Joe Ramia said the first phase of the excavation, an archeological impact assessment, begins Monday morning. (TIM KROCHAK/ Staff)

















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Work is set to begin on turning the former Halifax Herald Ltd. site on Argyle Street into a $500-million financial complex, more than 2 1/2 years after the last concrete wall and steel beam were torn down.

Light excavation on the two-block site will begin Monday morning.

Developer Joe Ramia, head of Rank Inc., told The Chronicle Herald on Friday that the first phase of the excavation will entail an archeological impact assessment.

“Any property in the heart of historic Halifax has to go through that assessment, and what they look for is any archeological resources that could be on the site,” he said.

It’s not known how long that assessment will take.

It will be followed by a period of massive excavation, with construction expected to begin sometime in the spring.

“We hope that (the excavation) will be around six to eight months — again, depending on what you encounter.”

Ramia announced last month that the project was going forward, after he confirmed that a $164.2-million government-financed convention centre would be the Nova Centre complex’s first tenant.

Plans for the one-million-square-foot Nova Centre include the 290,000-square-foot convention centre and also a financial centre consisting of two 16- to 18-storey office towers fronting on Argyle Street, a 16- to 18-storey luxury hotel fronting on Grafton Street and residential, retail and public space.

Construction is expected to be substantially completed by Dec. 31, 2015.

Ramia said the goal is to obtain a Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) gold certification, the highest level.

“Whenever you work with LEED, everything that you do, you have to consider the environment, you have to consider the sustainability, you have to consider all the things, or you would lose the LEED certification,” he said.

Ramia said the designation would not have been possible had they imploded the former Herald building in 2010.

“When we tore the building down, we had to save everything — the concrete, the steel, all that, we had to do,” he said.

Another component of obtaining LEED gold certification will be creating efficiencies and energy savings by reusing whenever possible.

“A hotel at night requires heating, so we’ll take the cool air out and we’ll store it and we’ll give it heat,” Ramia said. “During the day, an office building requires cooling, so we’ll take the cool (air) that we have saved and we’ll give it to the office, and we’ll take the heat and store and give it to whomever needs it.”

Ramia met with Argyle Street business owners last month to talk about any concerns they might have with construction of the Nova Centre.

Paul MacKinnon, executive director of the Downtown Halifax Business Commission, said the neighbouring owners came away satisfied.

“The biggest concern was simply to know what was going on,” MacKinnon said. “Obviously, there’s concerns about how do we mitigate noise, how do we mitigate dust, and if there is flexibility in the timetable so that the most intrusive work can be done at the slowest time of the year.”

Ramia said a note will be put up on the novacentre.ca website outlining the excavation process.

“It will be posted before Monday stating that this process will begin, and here’s what’s going to happen,” he said.

“Whenever you build, there’s an impact, but we want to try and minimize that impact and work with our neighbours and make sure they’re informed of what we’re doing and what is happening.”

The provincial and municipal governments are contributing $56 million each toward the convention centre with the federal government putting up almost as much to cover the rest of the cost. The towers, hotel and other aspects of the Nova Centre will be privately financed with no government involvement.

The province is to sign a 25-year lease for the convention centre by November.

Argyle Developments Inc., a subsidiary of Rank, will assume all construction costs and risk.

A final design for the project will be unveiled in December after a series of 11 public consultations, seven of which will be in Halifax.

Ramia declined to comment on the status of negotiations in securing tenants for the financial centre.

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Took a walk along Market Street today and the excavation is in full swing. Exciting times!
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