The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 82

Troll · #**1621** Posted: **Aug 4, 2012, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Gibbroni

Easy now... you don't want to be classed as a "Euro wannabe" now do you? We know how much you hate that!

Mods, mods!!! This guy is a troll.

caltrane74 · #**1622** Posted: **Aug 5, 2012, 10:08 PM**

Airport Rail Link - bypass

The_Architect · #**1623** Posted: **Aug 6, 2012, 9:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Gibbroni

Easy now... you don't want to be classed as a "Euro wannabe" now do you? We know how much you hate that!

Who let you out of your cage?

caltrane74 · #**1624** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 6:01 PM**

Just as the airport rail link construction picks up ground.

The government agency is being sued by people, who want electric trains on the line.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/clean-tran...ridor-1.907776

Chadillaccc · #**1625** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 4:26 AM**

Jesus Christ... well hopefully it doesn't effect the pace of construction.

Nouvellecosse · #**1626** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 4:57 AM**

I'm with the people. Something like this should definitely be electric!

Chadillaccc · #**1627** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 5:12 AM**

Well yeah but I think it would be stupid if something like that halted construction.

The_Architect · #**1628** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 9:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I'm with the people. Something like this should definitely be electric!

Metrolinx has been very clear that the diesel trains are only to make sure the airport link gets done in time for the Pan Ams, and it will become electric within a couple years after the games.

SteelTown · #**1629** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 1:39 PM**

Hamilton has selected a location for the LRT Maintenance Storage Facility, 330 Wentworth St N.

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...__PW11064a.pdf

One step closer to LRT.

Nouvellecosse · #**1630** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

Metrolinx has been very clear that the diesel trains are only to make sure the airport link gets done in time for the Pan Ams, and it will become electric within a couple years after the games.

But can we really trust that? I mean, once it's up and running without the electric, how easy will it be to string people along with talk of budget issues, and delay things for years to come all while sticking to the "in a couple years" mantra?

Especially after they've invested the money in the trains and everything. Are they just going to sell them or donate them to the United Way?

caltrane74 · #**1631** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 6:23 PM**

1 million a pop to upgrade the trains to electric.

They are purchasing 12 trains. Total bill $12 million dollars.

Won't be a problem to upgrade to electric. - They just can't get it done in time for the games. That's why this option was selected, get the trains in place for the games, then upgrade the tracks, locomotive, and system for electric over the next 2 years.

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In a statement emailed to CTVNews.ca, Metrolinx said that an environmental assessment for the electrification of the ARL is currently underway and will be completed in 2014.

“The vehicles we’re purchasing for the ARL are fully convertible to electric, and the track upgrades currently underway are built to allow for electrification,” said Metrolinx.

Read more: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/clean-tran...#ixzz23AXqAPQu

Doady · #**1632** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 7:45 PM**

I hope this lawsuit against this diesel based transit line is successful, and starts a precedent whereby all existing TTC bus service is banned in order to clean up Toronto's air and reduce cancer rates in the city. That’s the air that children breathe that those 2000 or so buses are polluting.

jeremy_haak · #**1633** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 8:26 PM**

Go Transit electrification study highlights

The_Architect · #**1634** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

I hope this lawsuit against this diesel based transit line is successful, and starts a precedent whereby all existing TTC bus service is banned in order to clean up Toronto's air and reduce cancer rates in the city. That’s the air that children breathe that those 2000 or so buses are polluting.

caltrane74 · #**1635** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 9:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

Go Transit electrification study highlights

The $547 million dollars required to upgrade the ARL to electric is being invested now in upgrades to both track and systems in anticpation of full electrication down the line. (So to speak.)

1331Massi · #**1636** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 9:21 PM**

Please Delete

UofC.engineer · #**1637** Posted: **Aug 12, 2012, 9:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

The largest independent city in the country without rapid transit is Calgary.

Hahaha, that's hilarious.

I don't understand why soo many people don't seem to grasp the idea of what the LRT system in Calgary entails.

The LRT in Calgary doesn't operate on the road, the median of the road or mix with traffic.

Take the south line for example:

1. Moves 120,000 per day.
2. Terminates at Somerset(suburban neighborhood at edge of city)
3. It is 19 km long
4. Takes less than 30 mins to get to Downtown.

That is pretty f**king rapid if you ask me!
The C-train doesn't slow down when it makes road crossings, it has priority at all signals and I can only think of one at grade pedestrian crossing, but that is in Downtown and once 8th ave subway is built the crossing will no longer be used. I agree that the 7th ave transit mall is terrible and cities need to be careful when implementing LRT systems.

But not calling the C-train a rapid transit system???

How about this? How about we put a tarp over the south line put some lights inside the tarp and paint some pipes on the inside of the tarp. The C-train passengers would never see light and for all intensive purposes it would be act as a subway. The infrastructure and service level of the system would remain unchanged. The system would still be fast (average speed 33-35km/hour). It would still move a lot of people, yet in your eyes not be rapid?

Nouvellecosse · #**1638** Posted: **Aug 12, 2012, 11:49 PM**

The term "rapid transit" is not an adjective describing how fast a system is. It is an official transit and planning term with specific criteria which the C-train doesn't include. There are definitely other forms of transit that are just as fast (or faster) as rapid transit including commuter rail and certain LRT systems, but they are not rapid and fall under other classifications depending on their individual characteristics.

Doady · #**1639** Posted: **Aug 13, 2012, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by UofC.engineer

Hahaha, that's hilarious.

I don't understand why soo many people don't seem to grasp the idea of what a the LRT system in Calgary entails.

The LRT in Calgary doesn't operate on the road, the median of the road or mix with traffic.

Take the south line for example:

1. Moves 120,000 per day.
2. Terminates at Somerset(suburban neighborhood at edge of city)
3. It is 19 km long
4. Takes less than 30 mins to get to Downtown.

That is pretty f**king rapid if you ask me!
The C-train doesn't slow down when it makes road crossings, it has priority at all signals and I can only think of one at grade pedestrian crossing, but that is in Downtown and once 8th ave subway is built the crossing will no longer be used. I agree that the 7th ave transit mall is terrible and cities need to be careful when implementing LRT systems.

But not calling the C-train a rapid transit system???

How about this? How about we put a tarp over the south line put some lights inside the tarp and paint some pipes on the inside of the tarp. The C-train passengers would never see light and for all intensive purposes it would be act as a subway. The infrastructure and service level of the system would remain unchanged. The system would still be fast (average speed 33-35km/hour). It would still move a lot of people, yet in your eyes not be rapid?

Yeah, okay, Calgary C-Train is rapid transit then, you've convinced me.

I guess Mississauga has rapid transit too. The GO Bus takes less than 45 minutes to get from Erindale to Union Station - a 30 km long route - it's even faster than the C-Train.

jeremy_haak · #**1640** Posted: **Aug 13, 2012, 2:37 AM**

There are no hard and fast rules for what exactly constitutes a rapid transit system.

Most LRT systems are not completely grade separated, and yet, their function within a regional transportation network is almost identical to higher capacity modes such as subways. The C-Train fulfils the role of a rapid transit system within the city. Focusing on the fact that it isn't grade separated is pedantic.