Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 259

Andrewjm3D · #**5161** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 11:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

90 Harbour is awful, with even worse street-level treatment. As Ramako said, it's a shame these awful snoozers are blocking out the real (read: quality) skyline of the city.

Again, these are not final designs. I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said that the render we have so far is just a massing study.

Ramako · #**5162** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 12:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Again, these are not final designs. I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said that the render we have so far is just a massing study.

Just curious, but on what basis are you claiming that it's just a massing study? It seems that they're about to start marketing, so I'd guess that the design wouldn't charge drastically from what we've already seen.

The_Architect · #**5163** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 12:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Again, these are not final designs. I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said that the render we have so far is just a massing study.

Everyone keeps claiming that, but yet time goes on and nothing. Seems like a lot of work to make a rendering of something that is going to be completely different (which it needs to be).. So for now all we have to go off of are the line drawings and this render.

vanman · #**5164** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Again, these are not final designs. I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said that the render we have so far is just a massing study.

Most people seem to not understand this concept.

caltrane74 · #**5165** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 2:05 PM**

I firmly believe that the concept of "What You See, Is What you Get" will hold here, along with 501 Yonge Street.

The_Architect · #**5166** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 2:15 PM**

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I firmly believe that the concept of "What You See, Is What you Get" will hold here, along with 501 Yonge Street.

I'm just waiting for the final render to come out being the exact same with very minor tweaks.. "See!! That wasn't the final rendering!". Yeah.. well it's still just as bad.

Face it, if the final design is completely different in as many ways as needed with 90 Harbour and 501 Yonge, they never would release a render that looks like that. If anything, it will be roughly the same with minor differences.

WhipperSnapper · #**5167** Posted: **Aug 9, 2012, 11:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

Not particularly, but whether or not these towers get built within the next few years, the land remains in the hands of Menkes, and they can be counted to produce bland and uninspiring architecture, whether it takes them five years or ten.

Telus and Four Seasons plus a couple others like Lumiere won't win any awards however, I wouldn't call them bland either.

Andrewjm3D · #**5168** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

Just curious, but on what basis are you claiming that it's just a massing study? It seems that they're about to start marketing, so I'd guess that the design wouldn't charge drastically from what we've already seen.

On the 50+ renders we've seen like this by developers over the past few years given to the city for massing approval. We've rarely seen one of these such renders show us a final design.

Andrewjm3D · #**5169** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 2:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

I'm just waiting for the final render to come out being the exact same with very minor tweaks.. "See!! That wasn't the final rendering!". Yeah.. well it's still just as bad.

Face it, if the final design is completely different in as many ways as needed with 90 Harbour and 501 Yonge, they never would release a render that looks like that. If anything, it will be roughly the same with minor differences.

If you've been following the Toronto proposals over the past few years this is par for the coarse. They show the scale, floor plate and a few design elements which may or may not be part of the final design. They submit it to the city, the city comments and they then have their architect create a finalized design. When the city says no to that they head to the OMB.

From the last meeting where the design panel saw the same render.
Here are some recommendations they gave to the developer to consider before the next meeting for approval.

1) Show how the building links to the existing and proposed context and streetscape.
2) Come back with deliberate analysis of how the building responds to York Street. Do not create a pinch point.
3) Stronger consideration of the appropriate distance between the residential towers and the office tower should be given.
4) Study the potential East Side connection through the block.
5) Study the response and connection from Union Station
6) Study the location of the Path
7) Top of the building needs development.
8) Stronger architectural solution for the towers
9) Study the potential to create a more sustainable building, including thermal breaks on the balconies.

Andrewjm3D · #**5170** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by vanman

Most people seem to not understand this concept.

So I've noticed.

Ramako · #**5171** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 4:26 AM**

Remember that the developer here is Menkes. It would be totally out of character for them to propose something innovate or iconic. If the final design doesn't end up being similar to the renderings we've already seen, it will be something equally uninspiring.

Andrewjm3D · #**5172** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 5:02 AM**

The city has sent them back to fix the design.

caltrane74 · #**5173** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 10:43 AM**

Andrew and vanman, I hope you are not waiting for Menkes to propose Absolute World or L Tower at 90 Harbour.

This will be two boxes with wavey balconey glass.

Andrewjm3D · #**5174** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 12:13 PM**

Not at all, I'm just trying to show that the last render was not the final.

LeftCoaster · #**5175** Posted: **Aug 10, 2012, 1:42 PM**

I agree I don't think it's final, but I dont anticipate much change from that.

I'd imagine what we are looking at design wise is what we are going to get short of some very minor changes.

As for the size we'll see if they stay this large with the impending market slowdown.