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Old Posted: Aug 4, 2012, 5:00 PM
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I hope this project gets done. I hope people don't lose their deposits. I hope he doesn't screw this wonderful old school by converting it to residential. Finally, I hope he fades into obscurity upon its completion.
So you hope that someone who's invested millions of dollars in Hamilton completes this one project, then leaves? I don't understand...
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Old Posted: Aug 4, 2012, 6:18 PM
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Another HS piece in yesterday's Toronto Star:

”While most loft conversions are often fraught with unforeseen complications, Stinson and his partners have access to the original drawings created by A.W. Peene, a prominent Hamilton architect. ICON Architects are overseeing the conversion.”

Can’t top a good headline …or a good bench.
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Old Posted: Aug 5, 2012, 2:42 AM
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So you hope that someone who's invested THOUSANDS of dollars in Hamilton completes this one project, then leaves? I don't understand...
Fixed it for ya. It's funny though, the way he talks you'd swear his investments were in the tens or even hundreds of millions but alas...
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Old Posted: Aug 6, 2012, 5:24 PM
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As I walked past the site today I noticed a lot of construction work going on inside the two homes across from the school on Stinson between Ontario and Grant. It looked like mainly drywalling going on when I went by. These are the homes that Stinson had purchased shortly after purchasing the school and will house the condo units referred to on the website as the Mansions on Stinson. When we first moved into the neighbourhood they were sketchy rooming houses so it is great to see them being restored as condos.
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markbarbera wants Harry Stinson to succeed primarily because he wants to win a flame war on the Internet. Wunderbar.

I love that the selling point listed for the Mansion Lofts on http://www.stinsonschool.com/floorplans.html is the "Great Value View of School & Escarpment". Man, would I love to have a great value view of the Stinson School.

The site is still loaded with spelling errors ("Excarpment", "curent", "center" on the Floor Plans page alone)
I know... that line is hilarious! Wow... I can have a view of a school? Really? Well sign me up!

It just seems to reek of snake oil... hope I'm wrong, though.
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Wind back in Stinson’s sails with projects back on track


http://www.thespec.com/news/business...-back-on-track

Developer Harry Stinson is trying to tidy his Hamilton to-do list: Stinson School lofts, then the Hamilton Grand Hotel at John and Main streets.

“I’m ready to put this behind me,” he said.

Certainly, the Stinson School project is well on its way, building permits in place, construction workers on site and sales, well, sales are “stable”.

Stinson said the lofts are about 75 per cent sold — 55 out of 75 units — about the same level as a year or so ago and should be ready to move in by February, 2013.

He said the sell is easy for out-of-towners in love with the old, established residential neighbourhood, the potential for fabulous ambience in the renovated school.

It was originally built in 1894 by architect Alfred Peene, also responsible for Hamilton’s Carnegie library.

Many elements of the original building have been retained either for use later or incorporated into the design. The original slate chalkboards have been cut down into smaller pieces which will be framed and hung at the door of each loft, a reminder of the past while serving as a reminding tool.

Despite all of these details, and history, sales to Hamiltonians are slow.

“Here (customers) are a lot more skeptical,” he said. “People from Toronto and all around come here and love the architecture. You can tell who the out-of-towners are ... Hamilton people come in and say ‘Well, have you sold any units yet?”

He does admit having a finished show loft would help. The school should be completely enclosed by October, he said, allowing for the finishing work to take place inside.

So far, the entire building is still torn apart. Two townhouses across the street Stinson had purchased are lumped into the development and may provide the earliest peak at what is possible. Construction photos can be viewed at stinsonschool.com.

The units range in price from $179,000 to $499,000.

Stinson came to Hamilton about five years ago, with a reputation as the condo king, due in no small part to his widely acclaimed conversion of an former candy factory to a series of lofts in 1993 in downtown Toronto.

Since he came to Hamilton though, he’s had a series of struggles to get the Stinson School and hotel projects off the ground.

It’s been four years since Stinson first embarked on the school lofts conversion — four long years in which he also took time out to take a stab at trying to breathe life back into the Royal Connaught, which faltered due to lack of financing, as did his Hamilton Grand Hotel project.

Just this week, Stinson called on architect Drew Hauser to dust off those plans and scale them back, to a $20-million, six-storey, 150-unit long-term stay hotel.

“However, the existing height limit would allow a taller building and if sales are good, maybe we will extend the tower,” he said.

“Financing is not easy to get for anything these days, not in Hamilton and not at the $30-million level.”

The new vision for the Hamilton Grand is to have an “urban lifestyle option” that offers individually owned furnished condo units with breakfast and housekeeping managed in a rental program with commercial space on the first floor.

Glen Norton, the city’s director of urban renewal, was a bit disappointed Stinson had scaled down the project, but he said it’s far better than the derelict lot that it is now.

Norton said the hotel’s focus on the three months to a year market rather than the weekly or monthly market which the Staybridge and Homewood Suites cater to, also nicely fills a gap in the downtown core.

“It’s part of the John Street story,” said Norton, referring to the recent purchases of the old Crazy Horse Saloon by a Toronto developer and the opening of a Korean restaurant.

Stinson said once these two key projects are done, he isn’t sure if he’ll pounce on any more Hamilton projects too soon.

He is just putting the final touches on the Hotel Niagara in Niagara Falls, NY, a two-year multimillion-dollar project he was involved in. The Hotel Niagara was the sister to the Royal Connaught in the United Hotel chain — with much of the same history.

“It’s quite amazing in the U.S. for all of their troubles in the economy, there is this mindset ... of let’s get this done,” he said of the transformation of the hotel.
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I am not sure why Harry keeps taking digs at apparently appropriately cautious Hamiltonians, unless he is trying to guilt them into purchasing units based strictly on the apparently amazing architecture that the out-of-towners are so adept at identifying.
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Old Posted: Aug 10, 2012, 11:47 AM
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It's easier for him to blame Hamiltonians than to take responsibility for his actions...or inaction as the case may be.
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He does admit having a finished show loft would help.
Weren't there two display units opened on the ground floor? One was to the left as you entered and the other beside the main stairwell.

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Just this week, Stinson called on architect Drew Hauser to dust off those plans and scale them back, to a $20-million, six-storey, 150-unit long-term stay hotel.
As hard a sell as microsuites-with-room-service are, I wonder if long-term hotel suites that "focus on the three months to a year market" will be any easier. Vrancor will likely have added 330 rooms to the downtown supply by the time the Grand breaks ground, boosting the stock of downtown hotel rooms significantly and, in the absence of proportionate rise in demand, potentially diluting the industry's occupancy numbers just as significantly.
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“Financing is not easy to get for anything these days, not in Hamilton and not at the $30-million level.”

Nor for someone who got kicked out of Toronto pennyless and with a horde of condo owners crying for blood after he effed up one King west!

Anyone who would buy a Hamilton Grand unit had better have a great lawyer check the agreement first. At One King west Stinson never figured out that condo hotels got taxed commercial not residential so people were paying over $10K in taxes!

As for the show unit, that was about the cheapest thing I'd ever seen at the Doors Open two years ago. Total DIY.

So the answer for why Hamiltonians are being hesitant is basic prudence if you ask me.
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When's this thing supposed to be done? Because it looks like they're still a long ways off.
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Great to see progress is being made.
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Old Posted: Oct 17, 2012, 11:31 AM
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According to this article from The Spec, it should be open by February.

Doubtful, but doable, I'd say.
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According to this article from The Spec, it should be open by February.

Doubtful, but doable, I'd say.
The date has moved yet again, according to this article:
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...de-the-gta-box
"In terms of the former school, Stinson says he is shooting for occupancy in March. The heavy rain this fall has been difficult, but Stinson says the interior is about half finished."

To me, "shooting for" does not sound too encouraging. Also, we can add "heavy rain" to the long list of excuses for delays/stoppages for the various Stinson projects. Apart from the last few days, have we actually even experienced a lot of rain?
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Why the heavy rain excuse?
It has a roof on it!
I used to work in construction and rain was only an covenant excuse to use when something else you caused, caused the delay.
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Why the heavy rain excuse?
It has a roof on it!
I used to work in construction and rain was only an covenant excuse to use when something else you caused, caused the delay.
Its clear Stinson is a big marketing man.
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Old Posted: Oct 30, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Why the heavy rain excuse?
It has a roof on it!
I used to work in construction and rain was only an covenant excuse to use when something else you caused, caused the delay.
See here: http://stinsonschool.com/temp_topbar-1.jpeg

In the image on the right, see the part that's connecting the two buildings? That all needs to be done. I can't imagine that'd be easy to do in the rain (but I've never worked in construction, so you'd know better than me!)
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Most original windows have been removed as of today. Was hoping to have a peek inside to see how things were coming along, but all the openings are covered in plywood. Wonder when the new windows will be installed?
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