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Old Posted: Jul 19, 2012, 4:33 PM
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Nevermind that trying to buy these kind of jobs with tax incentives is a race to the bottom, and as easy as nailing jello to a wall. Too bad he has no interest in promoting resource extraction jobs which are something can't be taken away to a jurisdictions with more lavish tax credits.
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Old Posted: Jul 27, 2012, 3:28 AM
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Microsoft lays off Vancouver employees, cuts major projects

By Tiffany Crawford and Tracy Sherlock, Vancouver Sun July 26, 2012

Vancouver’s video game industry has suffered another blow, as Microsoft shut down two of its major projects.

Development of two games, Microsoft Flight and Project Columbia, was stopped by the firm, which posted its first quarterly loss as a public company earlier this month...

The cuts, which will affect 35 employees, according to Canadian digital technology news service Techvibes, come on the heels of announcements that both Rockstar Vancouver and Radical Entertainment closed their operations in recent weeks. Capcom also announced last week it was cutting seven per cent of its Vancouver-based staff. Earlier this year, Ubisoft closed in Vancouver and other console gaming studios, including Electronic Arts and Propaganda, have made significant cuts in recent years...

The gaming industry is undergoing a transition as resources move away from console games, which cost millions of dollars to produce and take many months to create, toward mobile games or casual games for Facebook, said Julien Lavoie, director of public relations at the Entertainment Software Association of Canada.

Although the industry transition is affecting jobs everywhere, Quebec has not seen the same level of layoffs as British Columbia, possibly because both Quebec and Ontario offer more generous tax incentives than those offered in B.C., Lavoie said.

In an interview with The Sun earlier this month, B.C.’s Jobs, Tourism and Innovation Minister Pat Bell said offering bigger tax credits is not a sustainable, long-term model of how to build business in the province.

“If you get into playing that game, I think it is very high risk because some other jurisdiction will come in and up the ante a bit more,” Bell said. “You just don’t win when you play that game, but when you take advantage of the natural assets you have, such as our geographic location, our proximity to the other global major cluster in California, the talent pool in the region and a competitive tax environment, then we really think you have a winner.”

He said earning business is better than buying it with ever increasing tax credits.

“Ontario and Quebec right now are in very, very difficult positions in terms of the tax credits they offer, almost to the point of really having to pay for the business and not getting any return back to the province,” Bell said.

While he agrees that B.C. has a lot of selling features, Howard Donaldson, president of digibc.org, the industry association for digital media and wireless companies in B.C., estimates that the province has missed out on as many as 3,800 jobs because it does not offer as generous a tax credit for digital media companies as Ontario and Quebec.

“Since 2008, the cost of developing games has become much more important and companies are doing more due diligence about the cost of developing games in a particular location,” Donaldson said. “As a result, some of the work that was being done here, has shifted to other locations.”

He said another 1,400 jobs had been lost due to studio closures or downsizing....

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Old Posted: Jul 27, 2012, 5:05 AM
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Wow, these news keep coming in these days! So many high profile companies shutting down, relocating or cutting back on their Vancouver offices. Makes one worry about what's still to come.
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Wow, these news keep coming in these days! So many high profile companies shutting down, relocating or cutting back on their Vancouver offices. Makes one worry about what's still to come.

Economic syndrome of the times. Here, automobile and other major manufacturers are slashing their payrolls by the thousands, and a lot of people are scared.
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Old Posted: Jul 27, 2012, 7:20 AM
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I think MS is finally giving up on Kinect. And Flight (not to be confused with Flight Simulator) seemed like a game without a market. Not sure those cuts were tax break related.

The traditional video game industry in general seems to be dying due to a lack of hardware and gameplay innovation. I have owned a SNES, Genesis, 32X, PS1, PS2, Saturn, XBOX, 360 and Kinect, signed up for XBOX live on day one, go to midnight sales for big new games, but there's nothing coming out that interests me anymore and new consoles are still years away (Wii U doesn't count).
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I think MS is finally giving up on Kinect. And Flight (not to be confused with Flight Simulator) seemed like a game without a market. Not sure those cuts were tax break related.

The traditional video game industry in general seems to be dying due to a lack of hardware and gameplay innovation. I have owned a SNES, Genesis, 32X, PS1, PS2, Saturn, XBOX, 360 and Kinect, signed up for XBOX live on day one, go to midnight sales for big new games, but there's nothing coming out that interests me anymore and new consoles are still years away (Wii U doesn't count).
Kinect isn't going anywhere, and the next gen Xbox isn't too far away...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405922,00.asp

I think the news was a little overhyped, since this location has hundreds of employees and many are probably moving to other teams.
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And your suggestion is...
A good suggestion would be changing the PST to a VAT-style tax that allows businesses to save money and time on tax remittances and allows for cross-sector input tax credits. It will also eliminate byzantine PST rules on the film and digital industries.

Oh wait, it makes haircuts more expensive, we voted it down.
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A good suggestion would be changing the PST to a VAT-style tax that allows businesses to save money and time on tax remittances and allows for cross-sector input tax credits. It will also eliminate byzantine PST rules on the film and digital industries.

Oh wait, it makes haircuts more expensive, we voted it down.
Don't worry, the NDP bailout-machine is coming soon.

Edit: A business owner friend of mine was convinced even after the vote that the HST is staying. He could be right in the end... ain't over till somebody sings.
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Western Canadian Mazda parts distribution centre opens in Langley

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Mazda car parts shipped from Japan to B.C. via the Deltaport terminal no longer have to go all the way to a distribution centre in Mississauga, Ontario, before being shipped right back to Mazda dealers in B.C.

Mazda officially opens a new Western Canadian parts distribution centre today in the Gloucester Industrial Park in Langley.

The new 125,000-square foot facility includes a parts distribution warehouse that will serve 37 dealers in Western Canada, from B.C. to Manitoba. It also includes Mazda Canada's western regional office, which has relocated from Richmond.
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Vancouver firm fuelled by rich methanol markets

Low gas prices, new energy markets drive Methanex to spend $550m relocating idled plant from Chile to Louisiana

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Rising demand for methanol as a fuel or fuel additive and low natural gas prices in the U.S. are driving Methanex Corp. (TSX:MX) to spend $550 million to move one of its idled methanol plants to the U.S.

Dismantling the plant, shipping it to the Gulf of Mexico and up the Mississippi River and reassembling it in Geismar, Louisiana, will be an engineering feat. The relocated plant will create 1,500 jobs during the construction phase and 130 full-time jobs when it goes into production by the end of 2014.
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Old Posted: Aug 8, 2012, 8:43 PM
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The video gaming industry is going through a transition period. It doesn't surprise me at all. And let's face it, Ontario and Quebec are giving away so many tax breaks to so many industries that the provinces are in near financial disaster, Quebec more than any other. We, and especially Alberta, give them billions in equalization payments just to keep their heads above water.

So I'm glad BC isn't falling into the tax break to infinity p-ing match. Not to mention video gaming has always been fluctuating. I have a degree in programming and 10 or so years ago considered going into the video gaming industry. Back then EA had just closed down several divisions and a few other gaming companies went bust and moved out of Vancouver. That was 10 years ago. Every project hires a bunch of people then at the end, lays them off. Max Payne 3 shipped, so now it's time to consolodate, shrink staffing levels, and downsize. Heck I had 5 of my classmates get hired by MDA Robotics for a major project and when it was done MDA only kept 1 of them on and teh other 4 were job hunting. That's the life of someone in computer programming unfortunately. Bouncy bounce.

Same goes for other companies. It is always fluctuating and Vancouver was, imo, never really a huge video gaming city anyway.
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Mobile game developer sets up shop in Vancouver

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Recent console game studio closures in Vancouver have paved the way for smaller mobile and social gaming studios to set up shop. The latest new arrival is San Francisco-based mobile game developer TinyCo, which announced today it will open a 60-person studio in Vancouver.

The local gaming industry has expressed concerns about digital tax credits in Ontario and Quebec – which are twice what they are in B.C. – luring away companies like Rockstar Games, which recently closed its Vancouver shop to move to Toronto.

TinyCo founder and CEO Suli Ali said tax credits never even entered the discussion when the company decided to open a studio in Vancouver. Time zones and talent had more to do with the decision.

"It's the same time zone and a very quick flight for us to get up there," Ali told Business in Vancouver. "We're going to want to have some of our San Francisco team up there as we start to ramp up."

Several local console game studios have either closed their Vancouver studios or downsized, which makes for a well-stocked talent pool.
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B.C. newspaper tycoon proposing $13-billion oil refinery for Northern Gateway oil

VANCOUVER - B.C. community newspaper tycoon David Black proposed today building a $13-billion oil refinery near Kitimat to use all of the crude from Enbridge's controversial Northern Gateway pipeline.

It would mean tankers would ship refined fuels like gasoline off of B.C. northwest coast, not heavy oil from Alberta, reducing environmental risks, says Black.

A refinery also promises 10 times as many jobs as an export pipeline.

Black is hoping his proposal will change opposition from British Columbians and first nations, many of which have rejected the $6-billion project because they say the economic rewards for B.C. are not great enough to offset the risk and consequence of an oil spill on the pipeline or off the northwest coast of British Columbia.

Last month, B.C. Premier Christy Clark also declared the province would not even consider the Northern Gateway project unless it gets a much greater share of the economic benefits.

Acknowledging that oil producers that want to ship oil on the Northern Gateway pipeline are not in favour of a refinery in B.C., Black said his new company, Kitimat Clean Ltd., is submitting an environmental assessment application to build the refinery.

Since the economic returns from a refinery are less than exporting oil, and no company has stepped forward to spearhead the project, he decided to do it himself, said Black.

He first proposed the idea to Canada's oil companies seven years ago when he was chairman of the B.C. Progress Board, and resurrected the idea 11 months ago.

"I am hoping to serve as a catalyst to attract an industry consortium that will undertake the project. But if no industry player steps forward during the two-year environmental assessment I will do all that I can to organize the capital and build the refinery," said Black, who owns 150 community newspapers in B.C. and the United States.

Added Black: "I think the pipeline and the refinery are crucially important to our northern communities, to B.C., to Alberta and to Canada. We must protect the environment, but we must create jobs for the next generation as well. It is our responsibility to do both."

The proposed refinery in Kitimat would provide many more jobs than an export pipeline.

The refinery is estimated to create 3,000 jobs, half of those directly in the refinery and the other half in contract jobs. Another 6,000 workers would be hired during the five-year construction period.

Black is proposing to reduce capital costs from Canada's high labour rates by building refinery modules offshore to be shipped to Kitimat.

The Northern Gateway pipeline is estimated to create about 350 permanent and contract jobs in B.C., one-tenth of the permanent jobs a refinery would create.

A pipeline would also create thousands of jobs during its three-year construction phase.

The planned Northern Gateway pipeline is meant to open up new markets for crude from the Alberta oilsands, breaking the reliance on the U.S. market, and as a result bringing a higher price for Canada's oil, an estimated $25 billion more a year.

That goal can be achieved with a refinery on the coast with access to Pacific Rim markets, said Black.

The refinery will also remove any threat of "catastrophic" offshore pollution from heavy crude oil because refined fuels such as diesel, gasoline and kerosene evaporate, said Black.

There would also be about 30 per cent less tanker loads into Kitimat because the diluent used to thin the crude oil shipped to Kitimat would be stripped out during refining and sent back to Alberta via pipeline.

Black also argues that building the refinery in B.C. will ensure it is a state-of-the-art facility with a lower environmental footprint than in other areas.

While it will produce about seven million tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions, those emissions would have been produced anyway, he said.

Black has briefed the B.C. premier, Clark, but he said the province hasn't told him what their position on his proposal is yet.

He added there are many legitimate concerns from first nations along the pipeline.

"In my view we should not proceed with the pipeline or refinery unless there is confidence that any pipeline leakage will be immaterial," said Black.

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Build the refinery concurrently and have at it.
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The pipeline will still be there. The oil tankers will still be present. The chances of environmental degradation are as strong as they were previously. This is merely an attempt to throw the wool over the eyes of people who are just in the argument for the economies sake.

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Well I was just in it for the economic sake so no one is pulling the wool over my eyes.

As it currently stands the risk is far too great for little reward. If we can find a way to make the pipeline more financially beneficial to BC (this is a great start) then I would be much more for this project. As it stands right now though I just don't see the benefit for BC.

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Agree. As it stands, Alberta gains the lion's share of the benefits, BC takes all the risk for minimal gain.

If Black's numbers stack up, then the cost-benefit calculation is very different, and there is at least a chance of this happening, assuming anyone can get past the emotional side of the debate.
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Enbridge knew about the problems with their Michigan Pipeline, which turns out was the largest spill on land in US history, 5 years before they eventually started fixing it.

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/as...ite_two_d.html

Do you really want a company with a record such as Enbridge, with the number of oversights and shortcuts they use, to run a pipeline through BC? They have been incompetent in the past and have been fined for it.
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If the pipeline is not built then the oil will be shipped by rail, much more risky, and no enviromental assetment needed as everything is in place.

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