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The UofA has been saying for a few years that they're in talks with various prospective tenants for the planned Bioscience Park, but obviously nothing serious enough to start construction. The remaining retail portion of the Marketplace at The Bridges is probably in the same boat--waiting to sign enough tenant leases before they built out the section between Costco and the new Walmart.

Regarding the Main Gate high-rise vote--I'm not sure where the problem is, as the map of the new Main Gate Urban Overlay District shows that 14 stories are allowed at the NWC of Tyndall and First St., with the height on the rest of the block stepped down to 12 and then 6 stories once you get to Speedway. I realize the city is anxious to show developers that they're more business friendly by getting their projects approved quickly, but not keeping the process transparent and open to public input doesn't exactly build trust in city government--especially when they're asking voters to approve a $100M bond measure in November for road repairs.
The website for the Bridges has an article from the ADS from May of 2010 saying that the park was close to signing an agreement to build apartments that could open this year, but of course, there is no construction underway. I also though I had heard that part of the plan was to build the 10-story hotel that is to be in the south-eastern portion of the bio-science park (north of the Costco) earlier in the process, possibly before even having any tenants for the bio-science park.
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Regarding the Main Gate high-rise vote--I'm not sure where the problem is, as the map of the new Main Gate Urban Overlay District shows that 14 stories are allowed at the NWC of Tyndall and First St., with the height on the rest of the block stepped down to 12 and then 6 stories once you get to Speedway. I realize the city is anxious to show developers that they're more business friendly by getting their projects approved quickly, but not keeping the process transparent and open to public input doesn't exactly build trust in city government--especially when they're asking voters to approve a $100M bond measure in November for road repairs.
Can you post a link to the map please? It's great to hear that we're starting to build up. Hopefully some new hotels and office towers will come soon IN downtown (not a mile away), but that's unlikely to happen. The city planned on the streetcar bringing us some new residential buildings and towers, I'd say that so far that has been a mission accomplished. To get new business towers and hotels, the street car would have to be pushed to the airport along Kino Road, with stops at the U of A Science center, the bridges marketplace, Kino Stadium and at Tucson International. The expansion along Kino will help people get to the Science Park, boosting development there, and at Kino Stadium possibly bringing a MLS or a MLB team. Another must for businesses is along Broadway, with stops at every mile to the Park Mall and at many of the large office centers.
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^Here's the map posted by Anqrew on March 21:

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Then i found the zoning rules for the Main Gate District. Looks like they plan to get a lot of new development in there.


i also got a link to the company that is in charge of the Main Gate District Planning. Nothing I've found on their website yet, but i assume they will update soon. http://www.shepleybulfinch.com/ and here is the document http://www.tucsonaz.gov/SIREPub/cach...2025327648.pdf


with this map we now know where all these new developments will be. The Campus Acq. will be on the 14/13 zoned areas on Park/Tyndall.

And Steve Shenitzer and Bill Viner's 14-story student apartment building along First Street, stepping down to 12 stories and six-stories on Speedway.

Mike Noonan's student apartment complex at 714 N. Euclid Avenue will be a four- and six-story complex.

So i wonder what the other properties have planned? Looks like the developers see a lot of potential as they are all building as tall as they are allowed.
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Can you post a link to the map please? It's great to hear that we're starting to build up. Hopefully some new hotels and office towers will come soon IN downtown (not a mile away), but that's unlikely to happen. The city planned on the streetcar bringing us some new residential buildings and towers, I'd say that so far that has been a mission accomplished. To get new business towers and hotels, the street car would have to be pushed to the airport along Kino Road, with stops at the U of A Science center, the bridges marketplace, Kino Stadium and at Tucson International. The expansion along Kino will help people get to the Science Park, boosting development there, and at Kino Stadium possibly bringing a MLS or a MLB team. Another must for businesses is along Broadway, with stops at every mile to the Park Mall and at many of the large office centers.
If they (and I hope they someday will) expand rail-based mass transit down to TIA, it needs to be light-rail that runs in its own right-of-way, not an extension of the streetcar. By running on the city streets, the streetcar will move too slow to make it effective and a desirable alternative to driving for the longer distance of TIA to downtown.
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Reilly Craft Pizza & Drink

A few more interior shots of downtown's newly opened Reilly Craft Pizza & Drink at 101 E. Pennington, after a rehab of the 1906 former mortuary:




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I've heard good comments about Reilly Craft Pizza & Drink.

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Monterey Court on Miracle Mile

The former Monterey Motel on West Miracle Mile has been reborn as Monterey Court--a new art, retail and music venue, including a cafe:



(L) The restored neon Monterey Court sign, which once said "Monterey Motel" before it was changed, also indicates its new focus on retail, the arts and a new cafe.

(R) A 1938 handout photo of the Monterey Court at 505 West Miracle Mile. Originally open in 1938, the court has since morphed a number of times, even operating as a motel along what was then called the Casa Grande Highway, now known as Miracle Mile.



(L) The front of the newly renovated Monterey Court with the cafe which serves breakfast, lunch and dinner. Kelly McLear and Greg Haver purchased the land in 2011, and have created an artisan haven restoring the casitas into studio spaces, adding a new pavilion, a covered stage, and a new cafe, bar and kitchen.

(R) Water misters keep patrons cool under the pavilion as they dine and listen to the Rafael Moreno Quartet.
(photos: A.E. Araiza, Greg Haver)


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This Tucson Weekly columnist joins a growing chorus of voices, including Councilman Steve Kozachik and radio host John C. Scott, saying that the Marist College is beyond repair, even after the City Council recently voted to spend $1M to shore up the deteriorating three-story adobe building:



The 1915 Marist College in its heyday; and again in 2011, with three corners badly damaged.
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Even though it's old and made of adobe, the Marist College building may not be worth saving
by Tom Danehy
Tucson Weekly
August 15, 2012

Knowing full well that it might get me permanently barred from the warm, fuzzy wing of the Liberal Club, I must say this about the Marist College building in downtown Tucson:

1. Not all old buildings are automatically historic.

2. Not all historic buildings are automatically deserving of preservation.

The place is a dump, and not all that attractive as dumps go. If a meteor were to hit it, it would do about $200,000 worth of improvements. And, oh yeah, people keep referring to it as "Arizona's only surviving three-story adobe." There's a reason for that—all of the other ones have fallen down already. In the past few weeks, the Tucson Weekly's Tim Vanderpool has done his usual masterful job of explaining the background and specifics of Tucson city government possibly coming to the rescue of the abandoned, crumbling building ("Marist Tempest," July 26, and "Marist Maneuvers," Aug. 9). The people behind the preservation and restoration effort have their reasons, and I don't doubt their sincerity in the matter. I just don't think it makes a whole lot of sense.

I do not know everything (or anything, for that matter) about adobe, so I called Robert Barnes, the longtime owner of Old Pueblo Adobe. For quite a long time (until his land along Interstate 10 north of Cortaro Road was taken by eminent domain for freeway expansion), his company manufactured adobe bricks and assisted in the construction of adobe structures throughout Southern Arizona. He says the fact that Marist is a three-story building is more of an oddity than anything else. "The materials to make adobe are plentiful in this part of the world, and it's a good building material. The important thing is that there has always been lots and lots of open land. There was never any reason to build up. This isn't New York or London. In terms of labor and cost, it just never made any sense to build more than a one- or two-story structure."

Then there is the matter of architectural physics. Unlike the modern steel-and-glass structures that utilize cleverly designed truss and support systems to allow them to reach toward the sky, adobe buildings have certain limitations, structurally speaking. "Once you start getting up past a few stories," explains Barnes, "you have to make the bottom floor and the foundation extra-thick to bear the load of the higher floors. It just doesn't make sense. The extra adobe that goes into shoring up the base could be used to build another room in a house or another building altogether."

Further complicating the matter in the case of the Marist building is that, since its rebuilding would be part of a historic-preservation effort, any restoration would have to involve the use of original building materials. (In other words, you couldn't put a metal skeleton inside the building and then resurface the outside to make it look like it did 100 years ago.) Barnes, who is now semi-retired and owns a small cattle ranch outside of St. David, recommends a prudent approach. "When I was still in the adobe business, we bid on some of those proposed projects during the Rio Nuevo frenzy. They had architects who were coming up with things that simply don't exist and aren't possible. It was crazy. "I would recommend that before they go ahead with anything, they spend $25,000 on a detailed assessment of the building and get a solid understanding of the adobe-building code, which is pretty strict. It might save the city a lot of money in the long run."

I wasn't around during the 1960s when the city razed a downtown barrio in the name of urban renewal. When I was growing up around that time in Los Angeles, I heard all the stories of how the money-über-alles crowd had destroyed an entire long-standing Latino community just to put up Dodger Stadium. (On that subject, I recommend Ry Cooder's masterpiece album, Chavez Ravine.) The fact that an entire neighborhood was wiped away, and all we got out of it was the Tucson Convention Center, certainly should give decision-makers pause before they plunge ahead on future projects. But that history should not serve as an automatic and permanent stop sign for reasonable urban-renewal efforts, or as a carte-blanche excuse for preserving every building that managed to stand long enough to get sort-of old.

I occasionally attend Mass at Holy Family Church, about a mile north of downtown. Often at Mass, the reader will mention that there will be a second collection that day for St. Vincent de Paul or the bishop's appeal. I'm always happy to throw in a few bucks. They've never once held a second collection to keep the Marist College building standing; I'm pretty sure they know what would happen if they did. Through all the head-spinning talk of making the Marist building into a three-story restaurant or a boutique hotel comes the main question. The Catholic Church isn't willing to spend one penny on this project. Could it be that, for once, the business side of the church actually knows what it's doing?
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Two more restaurants opening on Congress St. will add to the expanding downtown dining scene:


Coming Soon to Downtown

The owners of restaurant 47 Scott, at 47 N. Scott Ave., and the adjoined cocktail-joint Scott and Co., at 49 N. Scott Ave., are opening another restaurant downtown. Travis Reese says he and Nicole Flowers will be opening their newest restaurant in a space at 256 E. Congress St., where Sharks used to be. Reese said he was still finalizing the name last week, but said it would likely be called Saint House. Both 47 Scott and Scott and Co. have been unequivocal successes, with nods from national food writers and plenty of praise from local diners. We'll have more details next week.

Also coming to downtown is a place called Public Bar, which is under construction at 63 E. Congress St., where motorcycle-shop Knucklehead Alley used to be.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/n...tegory=1063774
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This Tucson Weekly columnist joins a growing chorus of voices, including Councilman Steve Kozachik and radio host John C. Scott, saying that the Marist College is beyond repair, even after the City Council recently voted to spend $1M to shore up the deteriorating three-story adobe building:



The 1915 Marist College in its heyday; and again in 2011, with three corners badly damaged.
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Even though it's old and made of adobe, the Marist College building may not be worth saving
by Tom Danehy
Tucson Weekly
August 15, 2012

Knowing full well that it might get me permanently barred from the warm, fuzzy wing of the Liberal Club, I must say this about the Marist College building in downtown Tucson:

1. Not all old buildings are automatically historic.

2. Not all historic buildings are automatically deserving of preservation.

The place is a dump, and not all that attractive as dumps go. If a meteor were to hit it, it would do about $200,000 worth of improvements. And, oh yeah, people keep referring to it as "Arizona's only surviving three-story adobe." There's a reason for that—all of the other ones have fallen down already. In the past few weeks, the Tucson Weekly's Tim Vanderpool has done his usual masterful job of explaining the background and specifics of Tucson city government possibly coming to the rescue of the abandoned, crumbling building ("Marist Tempest," July 26, and "Marist Maneuvers," Aug. 9). The people behind the preservation and restoration effort have their reasons, and I don't doubt their sincerity in the matter. I just don't think it makes a whole lot of sense.

I do not know everything (or anything, for that matter) about adobe, so I called Robert Barnes, the longtime owner of Old Pueblo Adobe. For quite a long time (until his land along Interstate 10 north of Cortaro Road was taken by eminent domain for freeway expansion), his company manufactured adobe bricks and assisted in the construction of adobe structures throughout Southern Arizona. He says the fact that Marist is a three-story building is more of an oddity than anything else. "The materials to make adobe are plentiful in this part of the world, and it's a good building material. The important thing is that there has always been lots and lots of open land. There was never any reason to build up. This isn't New York or London. In terms of labor and cost, it just never made any sense to build more than a one- or two-story structure."

Then there is the matter of architectural physics. Unlike the modern steel-and-glass structures that utilize cleverly designed truss and support systems to allow them to reach toward the sky, adobe buildings have certain limitations, structurally speaking. "Once you start getting up past a few stories," explains Barnes, "you have to make the bottom floor and the foundation extra-thick to bear the load of the higher floors. It just doesn't make sense. The extra adobe that goes into shoring up the base could be used to build another room in a house or another building altogether."

Further complicating the matter in the case of the Marist building is that, since its rebuilding would be part of a historic-preservation effort, any restoration would have to involve the use of original building materials. (In other words, you couldn't put a metal skeleton inside the building and then resurface the outside to make it look like it did 100 years ago.) Barnes, who is now semi-retired and owns a small cattle ranch outside of St. David, recommends a prudent approach. "When I was still in the adobe business, we bid on some of those proposed projects during the Rio Nuevo frenzy. They had architects who were coming up with things that simply don't exist and aren't possible. It was crazy. "I would recommend that before they go ahead with anything, they spend $25,000 on a detailed assessment of the building and get a solid understanding of the adobe-building code, which is pretty strict. It might save the city a lot of money in the long run."

I wasn't around during the 1960s when the city razed a downtown barrio in the name of urban renewal. When I was growing up around that time in Los Angeles, I heard all the stories of how the money-über-alles crowd had destroyed an entire long-standing Latino community just to put up Dodger Stadium. (On that subject, I recommend Ry Cooder's masterpiece album, Chavez Ravine.) The fact that an entire neighborhood was wiped away, and all we got out of it was the Tucson Convention Center, certainly should give decision-makers pause before they plunge ahead on future projects. But that history should not serve as an automatic and permanent stop sign for reasonable urban-renewal efforts, or as a carte-blanche excuse for preserving every building that managed to stand long enough to get sort-of old.

I occasionally attend Mass at Holy Family Church, about a mile north of downtown. Often at Mass, the reader will mention that there will be a second collection that day for St. Vincent de Paul or the bishop's appeal. I'm always happy to throw in a few bucks. They've never once held a second collection to keep the Marist College building standing; I'm pretty sure they know what would happen if they did. Through all the head-spinning talk of making the Marist building into a three-story restaurant or a boutique hotel comes the main question. The Catholic Church isn't willing to spend one penny on this project. Could it be that, for once, the business side of the church actually knows what it's doing?
So if the Marist building goes away, what should replace it?? Thoughts???
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Here's some good news for the local job market. This seems like a small company that is expecting to grow modestly. Most important, these will be relatively high paying jobs.

Medical research firm to move headquarters to Tucson

Gabriela Rico, Arizona Daily Star

A medical research and technology firm announced this morning it is moving its headquarters to Tucson from Denver, Colo.

The firm, Accelr8 Technology Corporation, plans to fill 65 positions in the next three years. It is unclear how many of those jobs are transfers.

The company says it hopes to add as many as 300 jobs here as it grows. New positions will include engineers, scientists, sales and marketing, as well as finance and manufacturing.

Accelr8 develops detection systems for hospital-acquired infections.
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Here's another article about that new biotech firm coming to Tucson (from InsideTucsonBusiness.com). This article has info about where they will be located - I was hoping the bioscience park @ the Bridges, but anywhere in Tucson is still a plus.

Biotech firm Accelr8 to move HQ to Tucson
Patrick McNamara

Accelr8 Technology Corporation, a publicly traded firm that develops instruments used for the detection of pathogenic microorganisms, announced Thursday it is moving its corporate headquarters to Tucson from Denver.

The announcement made at the offices of Tucson Regional Economic Opportunities (TREO) was touted by the economic development agency as the kind of firm that will make Tucson a leading hub in the biotech industry.

Accelr8 will build out wet labs and occupy about 15,000 square feet of space in the 180,000 square-foot, four-story Pima County Herbert K. Abrams Public Health Center, 3950 S. Country Club Road, near the University of Arizona Medical Center - South Campus (formerly Kino Hospital). The Board of Supervisors is scheduled to approve a lease next week and the company anticipates it can be operational by early next year.

Accelr8 plans to fill 65 positions over the first three years in Tucson with the potential to grow to more than 200 employees later.

Among the headquarters positions are engineers, scientists, sales and marketing, management, finance, quality control and regulatory and manufacturing.

The decision to move to Tucson came after what was described as a multi-state process.

“Accelr8 is developing a revolutionary product in the diagnostics area and we were impressed with the region’s emerging bioscience strength, innovation and support that can help ensure our future success,” Accelr8 President and CEO Lawrence Mehren said in a statement.

Mehren, who became president and CEO in June, formerly was head of global business at Roche Group’s Ventana Medical Systems where he been since 2007.

The company is in development on its BACcel rapid diagnostic system which it says is the first technology able to count and identify dangerous pathogens and their drug resistance expression within the same day of obtaining a patient specimen, rather than waiting two to three days under standard methods. The speed allows for a significant improvement in the treatment of the more than 1.7 million people in the U.S. who contract a hospital acquired infection each year.

Founded in 1982, Accelr8 trades on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol AXK.

“This win shows that Tucson is poised to take off as a region that is attractive to bioscience companies,” said Stephen G. Eggen, chief financial officer for Raytheon Missile Systems and chairman of TREO’s board.

TREO President and CEO Joe Snell noted Accelr8’s arrival is a win for the region it brings the headquarters of a publicly-traded firm in one of the region’s targeted industries. “Accelr8 represents another building block as we emerge as a leading biotech hub,” Snell said in a statement.
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Biotech firm Accelr8 to move HQ to Tucson
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More information is in the news release here: http://treoaz.org/Accelr8-Technology...n-Arizona.aspx
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Two more restaurants opening on Congress St. will add to the expanding downtown dining scene:


Coming Soon to Downtown

The owners of restaurant 47 Scott, at 47 N. Scott Ave., and the adjoined cocktail-joint Scott and Co., at 49 N. Scott Ave., are opening another restaurant downtown. Travis Reese says he and Nicole Flowers will be opening their newest restaurant in a space at 256 E. Congress St., where Sharks used to be. Reese said he was still finalizing the name last week, but said it would likely be called Saint House. Both 47 Scott and Scott and Co. have been unequivocal successes, with nods from national food writers and plenty of praise from local diners. We'll have more details next week.

Also coming to downtown is a place called Public Bar, which is under construction at 63 E. Congress St., where motorcycle-shop Knucklehead Alley used to be.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/n...tegory=1063774
The liquor license notice at Saint House listed the name as "Rhumbar." Given the fact that that's the name of several Caribbean-themed bars around the country, I'm glad they changed it.

Also, in re Public Bar, I've heard conflicting reports about who is behind it. One report I read said it was from the people who own Union Public House, which would make sense. But, I also heard it was from the people who own Zen Rock and Sapphire and that wouldn't be so awesome in light of how crappy their businesses look from the street. Regardless, I did hear that the latter group recently bought Vaudeville Cabaret and are putting a new bar in there. That would make more sense because it already has a hideous street presence.

In other downtown news, Adam Borowitz reported the other day about the restaurant at 50 E Broadway owned by Peach Properties. As had been reported before, the theme is well-done Mexican street food. The major update was that the guy who ran the cocktail program at Red Room and who currently runs the program at Wilko is consulting on the menu at this new place. Borowitz reported today about Scott Cummings's microbrewery just off 4th Avenue. The current name on the license is Corbett Brewing. I've heard Cummings hired an experienced homebrewer from Tombstone. We'll see how that goes, but the location is pretty cool no matter what. Finally, I heard a rumor yesterday that a bar/restaurant out of Old Town Scottsdale called El Hefe is looking to take over the old Skrappy's building behind the Rialto block. The existing El Hefe looks like it's run well and would definitely appeal to the influx of college students moving in next door next year.

In non-downtown news, Sam Hughes Championship Dining is undergoing a renovation into a gastropub concept called Social House. The same ownership group will own it going forward. Further up Campbell, a Japanese fusion place called Umi Star is taking over the spot that used to be Cartel Coffee. Their pictures on Facebook make the space look pretty nice and the food is something we've been missing in Tucson based on the plates they've shown so far. Even further up Campbell, a place called Tapas Fusion took over the empty Elle space. I haven't heard much else about that and they don't seem to have an online presence yet.
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This Tucson Weekly columnist joins a growing chorus of voices, including Councilman Steve Kozachik and radio host John C. Scott, saying that the Marist College is beyond repair, even after the City Council recently voted to spend $1M to shore up the deteriorating three-story adobe building:



The 1915 Marist College in its heyday; and again in 2011, with three corners badly damaged.
(photos: AZ Public Media, lasertrimman/Flickr)


Even though it's old and made of adobe, the Marist College building may not be worth saving
by Tom Danehy
Tucson Weekly
August 15, 2012

Knowing full well that it might get me permanently barred from the warm, fuzzy wing of the Liberal Club, I must say this about the Marist College building in downtown Tucson:

1. Not all old buildings are automatically historic.

2. Not all historic buildings are automatically deserving of preservation.

The place is a dump, and not all that attractive as dumps go. If a meteor were to hit it, it would do about $200,000 worth of improvements. And, oh yeah, people keep referring to it as "Arizona's only surviving three-story adobe." There's a reason for that—all of the other ones have fallen down already. In the past few weeks, the Tucson Weekly's Tim Vanderpool has done his usual masterful job of explaining the background and specifics of Tucson city government possibly coming to the rescue of the abandoned, crumbling building ("Marist Tempest," July 26, and "Marist Maneuvers," Aug. 9). The people behind the preservation and restoration effort have their reasons, and I don't doubt their sincerity in the matter. I just don't think it makes a whole lot of sense.

I do not know everything (or anything, for that matter) about adobe, so I called Robert Barnes, the longtime owner of Old Pueblo Adobe. For quite a long time (until his land along Interstate 10 north of Cortaro Road was taken by eminent domain for freeway expansion), his company manufactured adobe bricks and assisted in the construction of adobe structures throughout Southern Arizona. He says the fact that Marist is a three-story building is more of an oddity than anything else. "The materials to make adobe are plentiful in this part of the world, and it's a good building material. The important thing is that there has always been lots and lots of open land. There was never any reason to build up. This isn't New York or London. In terms of labor and cost, it just never made any sense to build more than a one- or two-story structure."

Then there is the matter of architectural physics. Unlike the modern steel-and-glass structures that utilize cleverly designed truss and support systems to allow them to reach toward the sky, adobe buildings have certain limitations, structurally speaking. "Once you start getting up past a few stories," explains Barnes, "you have to make the bottom floor and the foundation extra-thick to bear the load of the higher floors. It just doesn't make sense. The extra adobe that goes into shoring up the base could be used to build another room in a house or another building altogether."

Further complicating the matter in the case of the Marist building is that, since its rebuilding would be part of a historic-preservation effort, any restoration would have to involve the use of original building materials. (In other words, you couldn't put a metal skeleton inside the building and then resurface the outside to make it look like it did 100 years ago.) Barnes, who is now semi-retired and owns a small cattle ranch outside of St. David, recommends a prudent approach. "When I was still in the adobe business, we bid on some of those proposed projects during the Rio Nuevo frenzy. They had architects who were coming up with things that simply don't exist and aren't possible. It was crazy. "I would recommend that before they go ahead with anything, they spend $25,000 on a detailed assessment of the building and get a solid understanding of the adobe-building code, which is pretty strict. It might save the city a lot of money in the long run."

I wasn't around during the 1960s when the city razed a downtown barrio in the name of urban renewal. When I was growing up around that time in Los Angeles, I heard all the stories of how the money-über-alles crowd had destroyed an entire long-standing Latino community just to put up Dodger Stadium. (On that subject, I recommend Ry Cooder's masterpiece album, Chavez Ravine.) The fact that an entire neighborhood was wiped away, and all we got out of it was the Tucson Convention Center, certainly should give decision-makers pause before they plunge ahead on future projects. But that history should not serve as an automatic and permanent stop sign for reasonable urban-renewal efforts, or as a carte-blanche excuse for preserving every building that managed to stand long enough to get sort-of old.

I occasionally attend Mass at Holy Family Church, about a mile north of downtown. Often at Mass, the reader will mention that there will be a second collection that day for St. Vincent de Paul or the bishop's appeal. I'm always happy to throw in a few bucks. They've never once held a second collection to keep the Marist College building standing; I'm pretty sure they know what would happen if they did. Through all the head-spinning talk of making the Marist building into a three-story restaurant or a boutique hotel comes the main question. The Catholic Church isn't willing to spend one penny on this project. Could it be that, for once, the business side of the church actually knows what it's doing?
TL;DR The author doesn't value the building's history, so he doesn't think it should be saved. That's akin to saying, "I don't like brutalist designs, so every building built in that style should be torn down."
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So if the Marist building goes away, what should replace it?? Thoughts???
If they're not able to save it, I'd say the whole west side of that block should be used for another multi-story, mixed-use project--similar to what is planned for One East Broadway, but with architecture that blends in with the cathedral and other historic structures on the block. With the main entrance facing the TCC, put the Convention & Visitor's Bureau on the ground floor, and maybe a cafe or two, and residential on the upper floors--i.e., more density, eliminating another surface parking lot downtown.
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El Con Walmart to start construction as appeal deadline passes

Roger Yohem

Absent any new legal action, neighborhood opposition to a new Walmart Supercenter at El Con Mall likely has ended, clearing the way for construction to begin. There was no legal appeal filed by the Aug. 6 deadline to contest a Pima County Superior Court ruling that allows for construction to go forward.

The El Encanto Estates Neighborhood Association had sought to invalidate a 2000 development agreement between the City of Tucson and the mall’s owners. The July court ruling upheld the mall’s protected development rights and affirmed the Walmart proposal conforms to the city’s zoning regulations.

“We expect to begin construction in the fall once the necessary site work is complete. Grand opening is now projected for late 2013,” said Delia Garcia, media director for Wal-Mart. “We are excited to be part of the continued revitalization of El Con Mall and to offer midtown residents a convenient option for affordable groceries, general merchandise, and pharmacy services.”

The new store is to be built at the west end of the mall, 3601 E. Broadway, replacing a store built in the 1960s, originally as a Levy’s department store. It had been vacant since its last occupant, Macy’s, closed it in 2008.
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Another new club/restaurant moving in downtown.

New lounge in works downtown

Veronica M. Cruz Arizona Daily Star

A new downtown lounge with a focus on local jazz and blues and "life-changing" fries is in the works for the space that formerly housed Vaudeville Cabaret on East Congress Street.

The new club, Voodoo Jack's, is expected to open in the space at 110 E. Congress St. by the end of September, said John Jacobs, a partner in the group Congress Street Clubs, which is also behind Zen Rock and Sapphire Lounge.

Muralist Joe Pagac, known for his works outside the Rialto Theatre and Bookmans, is working on art and decor for the new lounge, Jacobs said.
The club will also feature live music Wednesdays through Saturdays with KXCI helping with the lineups, Jacobs said.

"We partnered with KXCI to identify the ... local music that would be in demand," Jacobs said.

Light fare including goose fat French fries that Jacobs calls "life changing" will be served at the club.

The group has plans to eventually expand into the space next door that used to be Grill and Red Room and possibly open a restaurant or a different bar, Jacobs said.
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Another new club/restaurant moving in downtown.

New lounge in works downtown

Veronica M. Cruz Arizona Daily Star

A new downtown lounge with a focus on local jazz and blues and "life-changing" fries is in the works for the space that formerly housed Vaudeville Cabaret on East Congress Street.

The new club, Voodoo Jack's, is expected to open in the space at 110 E. Congress St. by the end of September, said John Jacobs, a partner in the group Congress Street Clubs, which is also behind Zen Rock and Sapphire Lounge.

Muralist Joe Pagac, known for his works outside the Rialto Theatre and Bookmans, is working on art and decor for the new lounge, Jacobs said.
The club will also feature live music Wednesdays through Saturdays with KXCI helping with the lineups, Jacobs said.

"We partnered with KXCI to identify the ... local music that would be in demand," Jacobs said.

Light fare including goose fat French fries that Jacobs calls "life changing" will be served at the club.

The group has plans to eventually expand into the space next door that used to be Grill and Red Room and possibly open a restaurant or a different bar, Jacobs said.
I know I trashed them a few posts back but this is actually a good concept aside from the name. Pagac's and KXCI's involvement are critical to my opinion change. Let's just hope the outward graphics work doesn't use cornball Word fonts and that they actually paint the facade.
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The Catholic Church isn't willing to spend one penny on this project. Could it be that, for once, the business side of the church actually knows what it's doing?
There is a big problem with that logic. The church needs to have a penny to spend a penny.

A family member who worked for them (before the housing crash) tells me they didn't have the money to keep pace with suburban growth; as in they can't build enought churches to serve the increasingly distant population centers, and the Marist College was put on hold.

Also they seemed to have been pretty insistent on finding a restoration minded owner. So much so that they gave it away.

Afterall, razing the building and selling the property would have helped with their financial woes.
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