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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 8:44 PM
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66 years ago today, the body of a key noir figure was found here...
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 10:03 PM
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Justice delayed...


www.bethshort.com

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A lot of history at 6th and Olive Streets...
...and of course Elizabeth Short was last seen alive on 9 January 1947 exiting the Biltmore Hotel's front door on Olive, before heading south towards 6th.


P.S.

And thx for the 1909 shot of the Pacific Mutual Building, back when it was just five bays wide and before the Annex and Parking Garage. It always looks (to me anyway), standing in isolation, like a big pastry that got delivered to LA by mistake.

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 12:36 AM
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I could not live in that house. I would be creeped out every time I walked out the front door.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 12:52 AM
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Livin' in a crime scene

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I could not live in that house. I would be creeped out every time I walked out the front door.
I'm usually not at all squeamish, a bit the opposite really, but I gotta admit I could not live in the Morey Murders house. How could one ever relax in that living room after having seen the crime scene pix?

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...04#post5960204

Of course, some might say LA is one big crime scene. Which east coast paper called us "a blood-soaked paradise"? (and that was in the 1871 after the Chinese Massacre. We'd hardly got going yet)
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:02 AM
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Safeway and Piggly Wiggly

Source notes reference "Sontag and Sam Selig" as grocers on [601] North Broadway, (then Downey Ave.) and that this consolidation eventually produced the Safeway Market chain. Another source pegs the date as 1905.



Groceteria.com tells of Sam Seelig's markets eventually merging with Marion Skaggs' (Idaho and Oregon) markets to form Safeway. The Sontag connection is not mentioned, but I recall someone mentioning a possible connection with the Sontag Drug stores - frequently depicted in images here. Have not been able to confirm this. Groceteria also discusses the acquisition of "Los Angeles-based Piggly Wiggly Western."

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In 1911, Seelig opened his first store at 1307 S. Figueroa Street in Los Angeles. Five years later, Seelig had fifteen stores in the city, mostly south of downtown, and a warehouse on Palmetto Street. The chain had grown to over one hundred stores by 1922, and Seelig had established a real estate concern to handle the growing company’s needs. The rapid growth proved problematic for Seelig over the next three years, however, and in 1925, control of the company (and it’s 270 stores) passed to its distributor and largest creditor, W.R.H. Weldon. On 15 March 1925, the Los Angeles Times noted the change in management and announced that the company would now be known as The Safeway Stores, Incorporated and that Seelig had “withdrawn to follow other pursuits.” In Wall Street to Main Street, Edwin J. Perkins states that Seelig stayed with the new company for some time to manage its retail operations, but that Weldon was “extremely distrustful” of him and was anxious to sell off the company and return exclusively to wholesaling. http://www.groceteria.com/store/nati...feway-history/
1917 - list of Seelig Market locations. Warehouse on 1325 Palmetto Street. At present there is vintage looking warehouse-structure at that address. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same building used by Seelig Markets.

http://www.groceteria.com/store/nati...feway-history/



Undated image of Glendale Intersection. Piggly Wiggly Market on left.
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Undated. 6305 Yucca Street. Yucca Vine Tower with nearby Piggly Wiggly
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1920s (?) Los Feliz and San Fernando Rd. Piggly Wiggly sign adjacent to water tower.

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:10 AM
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King Gillette / Palm Springs

One more King Gillette house before I let him RIP:

King Gillette Estate, La Mesa, Palm Springs (1922-23)

gsv


mls

The estate was huge when built, but has been subdivided to within an inch of its life:

mls

Trulia has more pix, price, address, floorplan, etc:
http://www.trulia.com/property/31012...A-92264#item-0

The Guest House (shown in first pic) is for sale as a separate residence.

Zillow has the address, pix and price. It's "affordable":
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/32...18032169_zpid/

(BTW, IDK why RE folks can't be bothered with decent pix or staging)

Apparently King all but bankrupted himself buying real estate. I don't know who he hung out with or if there's a noiry story in there somewhere, but I keep thinking he would have gotten on just fine with Gaylord Wilshire or one of our other eccentric millionaires.

(I've never found anything about Mrs. Gillette. When I Google Atlanta E. Gillette, I get E. Gillette Ave in Atlanta, GA.)
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:11 AM
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1927 (?) Santa Monica Third Street. Quaint.

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:45 AM
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A lot of history at 6th and Olive Streets, some of which was influenced by King C. Gillette.
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Take me to the Bimini Baths please!

Curious about the closeup and what appears to be a tent. Squatter? Scouts? Tarp covered magazine-newspaper stand? Assume the latter.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:49 AM
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De Simone's Market. Redondo Beach


Credit: Vickey Kalambakal

California's largest, independently-owned grocery store was a little bit of glamour in decidedly ramshackle South Bay when I was a kid (my glamorous and unstable mother had no patience for South Bay, she was forever organizing trips to "town", as we called LA).

DeSimone's (we pronounced it "day-see-moanie's") was super-modern and luxe. It had a bakery, incredible, hand-packed, Italian ice cream and always gave change in Liberty silver dollars. I loved it.

I was driving PCH soon after I returned to LA (after 15 years away) and saw this little beat-up grocery with a sign, "Same Location for Twenty-Five Years". It took me a full minute to recognize DeSimone's. I was so shocked I didn't stop. It closed in '76.

Redondo Beach Patch has the DeSimone's story, which is quite a good one:

http://redondobeach.patch.com/articl...#photo-3499294
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:13 AM
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You know what's REALLY sad?

There's not a single tree on that block of Norton. Not a one - on EITHER side of the street.

Nothing to block the hot August sun, or provide relief from the monotonous residential landscape. And remember - this from a guy who thinks forcing trees into a CBD is silly. (Broadway - sans trees - looked just fine in 1940). But by the same token I am just as adamant about HAVING trees just about everywhere else......


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66 years ago today, the body of a key noir figure was found here...
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:21 AM
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I have a request

Can I ask a favor of those of you who post pictures from the USC archive? Since they changed their photos to be made up of multiple pieces, posting them inline can turn into a right mess. Can anyone posting these pics in pieces - with multiple IMG tags - please put a carriage return at the end of each row? (That is, a carriage return after the pieces that make up a 'row' of image). I think that's all that would be needed to force each row to go to the right spot regardless of monitor size. Without one, the first piece of row 2 can get put on the same line as row 1 and they can come out looking like this on a modern widescreen monitor:

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:50 AM
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Can I ask a favor of those of you who post pictures from the USC archive? Since they changed their photos to be made up of multiple pieces, posting them inline can turn into a right mess. Can anyone posting these pics in pieces - with multiple IMG tags - please put a carriage return at the end of each row? (That is, a carriage return after the pieces that make up a 'row' of image). I think that's all that would be needed to force each row to go to the right spot regardless of monitor size. Without one, the first piece of row 2 can get put on the same line as row 1 and they can come out looking like this on a modern widescreen monitor:
I struggled with this issue and found that hitting the return key between tags leaves almost as much of a jigsawed puzzle. Just tried it again with the same results.

I believe the images can be "better" stitched together by changing your monitor's display settings. As a test, (if you have a PC) try hitting "control" and "+" keys to enlarge, or "control" and "-" keys to reduce. To reset things click "view" "zoom" and "rest."

Apparently this issue does not affect all Noir'ers.

Sorry about the inconvenience.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 5:40 AM
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King Gillette Estates

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One more King Gillette house before I let him RIP:

King Gillette Estate, La Mesa, Palm Springs (1922-23)

gsv

Apparently King all but bankrupted himself buying real estate. I don't know who he hung out with or if there's a noiry story in there somewhere, but I keep thinking he would have gotten on just fine with Gaylord Wilshire or one of our other eccentric millionaires.

(I've never found anything about Mrs. Gillette. When I Google Atlanta E. Gillette, I get E. Gillette Ave in Atlanta, GA.)
Before we abandon the King Gillette subject, I have to ask about the former King Gillette estate that is mentioned in this caption Sopas EJ posted way back in 4/2011. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3608

It speaks to his former estate at the corner of Sunset and Crescent Heights that Gloria Swanson once owned. Being a huge Swanson fan, I have looked and looked for photos of that estate but have come up with nothing. Anyone have better luck???

~Jon Paul
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 6:26 AM
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End of an era: LAPD closes Parker Center, iconic headquarters
By Christina Villacorte, Staff Writer

Updated: 01/15/2013 08:59:40 PM PST


Parker Center, the iconic headquarters of the Los Angeles Police Department for over half a century, has closed its doors for the last time.

Using a chain of handcuffs, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck on Tuesday locked the doors as several active and retired police officers, some wearing uniforms of years past, looked on.

"Some of the brightest days of the LAPD have occurred here, and also some of the darkest," Beck said.

"It is the history, the ghosts and the glory of Parker Center, that have made us what we are," he added.

The LAPD began moving out of the antiquated facility at 150 N. Los Angeles Street in 2009, after the opening of its replacement, the modern Police Administration Building at 100 W. First Street. The new PAB with its gleaming facade of glass, cost about $600 million, Beck said.

The Scientific Investigation Division's Photo Section was the last to leave Parker Center, vacating on Friday. An environmental impact study is under way to determine the building's fate.

LAPD Assistant Chief Michel Moore felt nostalgic during Tuesday's ceremony, which featured an honor guard lowering the flags in front of Parker Center for the last time, as well as an "end of watch broadcast."

The latter is traditionally done for retiring officers, when their accomplishments are read aloud and
broadcast over police radios across the city.

"Seeing those flags come down, hearing the end-of-watch broadcast, the chains going on the door, I'm sure tugs on the heartstrings of every LAPD officer, sworn and civilian, past and present," Moore said.

"This has always been our place," he said. "We're going to miss it."

Parker Center was completed in 1955, designed by the influential architect Welton Becket, who also built the iconic Capitol Records building and the Music Center in downtown Los Angeles.

Originally called the Police Administration Building, it was named after legendary Police Chief William H. Parker upon his death in 1966. Over the years it not only become a local landmark, but appeared nationally in film and television, from "Dragnet" in the 1950s to TNT's 2005-12 police procedural "The Closer."

Built for about $6 million, the almost 398,000-square foot building opened when the city had about 4,500 officers - less than half as many as it has now.

It featured state-of-the-art equipment for its time, such as a crime lab and hidden recording devices in jail cells.

Charles Manson, Sirhan Sirhan and the Hillside Strangler were among the most notorious criminals booked there.

When an all-white jury acquitted LAPD officers of beating Rodney King in 1992, Parker Center was targeted during the riots, its parking facility set on fire.

But over the decades, the building deteriorated.

Moore remembers creaky elevators - "It was always a challenge whether or not you would reach your floor, or end up halfway between floors" - and how the faulty ventilation system allowed the smell of seized marijuana to waft across the hallways.

The building also flooded when it rained, had crumbling plumbing and asbestos in the walls and was missing fire sprinklers. It was also infested with vermin.

The LAPD eventually decided to abandon the building instead of doing a costly seismic retrofit.

Retired Detective Jerry Sparks used to worry about its structural integrity during earthquakes.

"It would rumble and roll pretty good," he said. "That was always an experience."

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 6:36 AM
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I struggled with this issue and found that hitting the return key between tags leaves almost as much of a jigsawed puzzle. Just tried it again with the same results.

I believe the images can be "better" stitched together by changing your monitor's display settings. As a test, (if you have a PC) try hitting "control" and "+" keys to enlarge, or "control" and "-" keys to reduce. To reset things click "view" "zoom" and "rest."

Apparently this issue does not affect all Noir'ers.

Sorry about the inconvenience.
No big deal. Maybe it's just impossible for it to be working right for everyone at the same time. I wish USC had left well enough alone!

I think I've only posted one of those photos myself; returns took care of it that time, but not between every tag. If the total image is three pictures wide for instance, then a return would go every 3rd picture.

Scaling up and down as you suggest seems to work however; probably easier for me to do that as needed than for people to put returns in and guess whether that fixes anything for others. Thanks for the suggestion.
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USC's new system is frustrating in some ways, but it also gives us the opportunity to zoom WAY in on pictures that up until now were only viewable at 800 x 600 pixels or so.

For instance, take this picture, which I can only assume has been seen here many, many times before:




At first I zoomed in because I wanted to check out the cars in the parking lot:




But then I couldn't help but notice the duo, just sitting on that dirt patch....I mean come on, those deadbeats HAVE to be up to no good!




So now it's got me re-pouring over USC's entire collection looking for little details like that, which is proving to be way more fun than I could've ever imagined.

(Oh, and I circumvented the whole tile issue by taking screen shots and then uploading them onto my own host. It's a pain, but oh well.)
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Before we abandon the King Gillette subject, I have to ask about the former King Gillette estate that is mentioned in this caption Sopas EJ posted way back in 4/2011. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3608

It speaks to his former estate at the corner of Sunset and Crescent Heights that Gloria Swanson once owned. Being a huge Swanson fan, I have looked and looked for photos of that estate but have come up with nothing. Anyone have better luck???

~Jon Paul


Rather than Sunset & Crescent Heights--the Gillette/Swanson house was at 904 N Crescent Dr in Beverly Hills (northeast corner of Sunset). Demolished.









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Thanks GW! Sorry about the "Heights" thing. I shouldn't be trusted typing late at night.

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Sam Seelig was the credited with inventing the "cash and carry" system of food marketing in Southern California. Seelig started with one store in 1911 and expanded to 263 stores by his retirement in 1925. He instituted money back guarantees and a cash register receipt with every purchase when he came out of retirement in 1937 to open up Foodland Markets, the first in located at 1515 North Western in Hollywood and the second in located at 321 South Market Street in Inglewood. The Hollywood market has been demolished, but the Inglewood store is still standing, although its appearance has been heavily modified. LAPL
1917 - "Cash is King."



1924 - "Sam Seelig Co., California's Leading Grocer." Lot's of nearby lumber too!
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1938 - 321 Market Street, Inglewood. "Foodland"
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1937 - 5509 Sunset Blvd. (Gone but not forgotten.)
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Undated - (Late 20's?) Crescent Heights and Santa Monica Blvd., W. Hollywood.
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SHORTening the value ?

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66 years ago today, the body of a key noir figure was found here...
I wonder if people who live there are in the know. It is a case to shorten the real estate value. I would not want (like several of us) to live upon that infamous place.
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