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There must be others in the county, but the only 2-digit addresses I can think of within the city limits are in Venice, close to the beach. Some private streets, such as Berkeley Square, had their own 2-digit systems. This house doesn't appear to be in Venice, and I know it's not Berkeley Square. Could it be Hollywood before the annexations 1909-1915, which resulted in many address realignments and street-name changes? Could be in any number of towns in SoCal. Santa Monica? Pasadena? sopas, are you there to give us a little insight into address numbering in your vicinity?
Saint James Park, Saint James Place, and Chester Place, adjacent to the downtown campus of Mount St. Mary College, all seem to have or have had and address numbered 86. 86 Chester Place may still exist but GSV doesn't go there. For SJ Pk and SJ Pl, it appears that such an address may have existed but no longer, possibly having been replaced by a parking lot for the college. It's hard to tell because of the luxuriant greenery. I do know that for one stretch of SJ Pk, the addresses go from 92 to 44, or something like that and the intervening properties are long since lost to history.

I do wonder myself when the numbering got standardized and why Venice was able to duck out of it. FWIW the condemnation notice posted on the Avila house, just before its rescue by Christine Sterling, used a two-digit address, referring to it as something like "the house known as 24 - 26 Olvera Street". Even by then, I'm pretty sure that most of the street numbers had been standardized, though.

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I ran across the following link, which at first glance appeared to be the definitive story on L.A. address history, and maybe it is, but then it went off into quadrants and azimuths, nipple streets and parent streets... so I really only scanned it--but you might find something here:

http://libraries.maine.edu/Spatial/g...s/gi94040.html
I really must discover what a nipple street could possibly be.
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LAFD-Battalion 7, AMC Matador, circa Feb. 1974. Yes, you read correctly, an AMC Matador.

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In time for Armistice Day.


1918 - Military Balloons float above San Gabriel (Note Army Balloon School in foreground)
I wonder if they put cameras on the balloons to take pics of the formations from directly overhead, when the soldiers would form the Statue of Liberty, or the US Flag.
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LAPD used the Matador also. They had them on Adam-12 during the appropriate years.
They had Matadors in Hazzard County during the early California episodes, although some of the jumps were reused in later seasons. This scene was filmed on Springbrook Avenue in Santa Clarita.


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Noirish LA Sleuths - I am requesting your help.

What is the history of this building, located on the NE corner of S Centinela and Palms in WLA?
It's been vacant for years, and used to house Mrs Gooch's health food store a few decades ago.
Was it originally a supermarket?
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After a good round of Googling, I've drawn a blank on the early years, but here's what I've come up with so far. Firstly, the address is 3472 South Centinela Avenue. There are several listings for the property at loopnet.com, who describe it as "Formerly Wild Oats Market; High ceilings, bow truss construction." Like Those Who Squirm , they also list the construction date as 1946.



www.loopnet.com

American Flowers seems to be the most recent tenant as there are Yelp.com listings for earlier this year.

Here's a couple of interior shots:



loopnet.com again

Mrs. Gooch's Natural Foods Market was there before the Wild Oats Market. According to this article, substitute school teacher Sandy Gooch opened her first store here in 1976. Other sources say January 1977. Either way, the chain was acquired by Whole Foods Market in 1993. I'm not sure if the picture below is left over from Mrs. Gooch's store, or the Wild Oats Market.


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There was some discussion about future uses of the store early last year, but the property has come back to prominence recently with plans to make it "what's expected to be the city's largest marijuana dispensary":

Upscale Mar Vista isn't rolling with pot shop - LA Times

Measuring Up the ‘Grass’roots of Medical Marijuana in Mar Vista - citywatchla.com

Can anyone fill in the gap between 1946 and 1976?
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Saint James Park, Saint James Place, and Chester Place, adjacent to the downtown campus of Mount St. Mary College, all seem to have or have had and address numbered 86. 86 Chester Place may still exist but GSV doesn't go there. For SJ Pk and SJ Pl, it appears that such an address may have existed but no longer, possibly having been replaced by a parking lot for the college. It's hard to tell because of the luxuriant greenery. I do know that for one stretch of SJ Pk, the addresses go from 92 to 44, or something like that and the intervening properties are long since lost to history.

There are a number of possibilities for our subject "86" house--I'd say the Pasadena vicinity is most likely--but not Chester Place or St. James Park, though they do have 2-digit addresses, having been conceived as private streets. (Chester Place remains private, if not St. James Park.) Like Berkeley Square, neither had addresses as high as 86; Chester topped out at 22, SJP at 44. ("St. James Place" is a more modern designation--the streets of SJP have had varying names over the years. The east-west roadway between Chester and Scarff was West 25th early on...anyway, the addressing along that stretch is a Gordian knot.)




A history of St James Park discusses the street names: http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspot.com/ (full disclosure: it's mine)

Pics Chester Place/St. James Park
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Re: Lwize's mystery market building at Centinela and Palms:

After a bit more online rummaging, I found this entry under "Markets" in the Santa Monica phone directories.


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Surely a market at 3474 Centinela Avenue has to be the same building as the one which is now listed at 3472 South Centinela Avenue. The listing is there from 1948 to 1950, but then disappears, so what became of the building between 1950 and 1976? In the 1946 phone directory, Seymour's Market was at 4014 Sepulveda.
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If 3474 is included in the search, here are a few more possible clues:


LAT May 20, 1955

I wondered if there might have been an automotive use of the property...but then, it says "private party"--could mean anything, a grocery-store manager's private sale, for instance.


Apparently it was a grocery in 1963:

LAT Oct 10, 1963

I didn't come up with a Lloyd's Market in the area in a search of city directories at the LAPL....


Mrs. Gooch's appears to have opened in January 1977--note the third variation on the address:


LAT Jan 30, 1977

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Based on the research thus far, it's pretty clear the Centinela property must have been a supermarket all along, just passing through different owners.

I'm going to assume the three different street addresses (3472, 3474 and 3476) are based on the different entrance ways used on the property.

My memories of Mrs Gooch involve pale organic chickens and carob soft serve.

The vacant building is now painted completely black. Very odd. Maybe if it becomes the largest marijuana dispensary, they'll shine black lights on it and it'll glow. Groovy, man.
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Santa Monica GTE, original construction '00s(?)




Compton (1916)




LA (Normandie) 1920s




LA "Capital" 1920s




Adams Office (original on left 1910s)




North Hollywood (1930s)
All from http://www.thecentraloffice.com
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On the subject of telephone buildings I noticed this gem in Long Beach. Of course there are many buildings that share/shared similar design elements, especially the vertical fluting. (Bullock's Wilshire's porte cochere?) Suspect this structure was a casualty of the '33 Quake, requiring either a substantial remake, or a rebuild.


1930
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TIERJ91BDF.jpg


1931
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JMM5LBRJ3V.jpg


1931
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...D3K2L6UUXA.jpg






Associated Telephone building, Long Beach
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...XHMB736G4I.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...Q93UAE6ITH.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UHFXBC76DB.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YSTMHTK85F.jpg



Long Beach "Main" building, 584 Elm Avenue. (Nothing against ficus trees, but the palms seem more stately, albeit with less shade.)
http://www.co-buildings.com/ca/562/l...h_main_tco.jpg




1931 - Bullocks W
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098641.jpg



716 s. Olive Street Built in 1916
http://www.losangelestelephone.com/i...16-s-olive.jpg



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Apparently it was a grocery in 1963:

LAT Oct 10, 1963

I didn't come up with a Lloyd's Market in the area in a search of city directories at the LAPL....
With the name Lloyd's Market to look for, I found a listing in the 1963 directory.



Lloyd's Market seems to disappear from the "Markets" section for a few years, but I managed to find them in the regular listings. They reappear in the "Markets" section in 1975, but suggest visiting their main advert in the "Meat-Retail" section. I may have missed other listings as these phone books are much slower to navigate than the City Directories.



By chance, I spotted this advert in the 1985 phone book. Centinela Hardware would have been just south of Palms Boulevard from Lloyd's Market. I don't know how long it lasted (it was 25 years old by the time of this advert), but there's a realtors called The Bizzy Blondes at that address now.


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Associated Telephone (later to become part of GTE/Verison) had an office in Westwood. Photos are undated, but the autos strongly suggest 1930's.



1073 (Sure looks like it could fit in Gayley or Westwood Blvds, but no visual match. Were Westwood's streets renumbered?)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TLAHR8AE7S.jpg




http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G38TVDB33D.jpg



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Albert's Motel Drive-IN (notices the garages for guests)

1460 Colorado Blvd.

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It's still in business (as the Islander Motel).

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Associated Telephone (later to become part of GTE/Verison) had an office in Westwood. Photos are undated, but the autos strongly suggest 1930's.



1073 (Sure looks like it could fit in Gayley or Westwood Blvds, but no visual match. Were Westwood's streets renumbered?)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TLAHR8AE7S.jpg
The street number certainly fits with a Westwood Village address, and would be somewhere just north of Kinross on the western side of the street. I don't think it ever existed on Gayley or Westwood, though. One of the other streets, perhaps?
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Once upon a time there was another building in Pasadena that went by the name of "Home Telephone and Telegraph" at 600 East Green Street. The building's relief work deserves honorable mention. One source indicates building was erected in '25. Photos are from '28.




600 East Green Street 1928
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...F7E4EXKKBX.jpg

1928
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S9QNNBQSJT.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LRRTSASKX8.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G9JBTRJSUX.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/...568cae583a.jpg





Home Telephone photos showing working switchboard (e.g., below) circa 1914, provide two addresses: 70 North Raymond Avenue and/or 45 West Colorado. Unclear whether Home continued to use either or both addresses through the late '20s.







http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/796/rec/18




Sexy ankles, circa 1914?





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At home with Jane Russell.

old cd of mine/probably ebay

Can you imagine the night-time view with the thousands of twinkling lights.



-frustratingly, no specific address is given.


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Has anyone heard of the Grattan Gables Inn?

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Merchants National Bank
2001 E. 7th Street
Los Angeles

Construction: 1924
Architect: Weston & Weston


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arched front entrance

detail



interesting side door along Mateo Street

detail



close-up


I am still trying to find a vintage photograph of this fine building.
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Maybe because Veteran's Day is Monday, but I noticed the lonely (?) sailor in this photograph. Lonely or ponderous or bored or contemplative or hungry or lost or awol or another 93 words...

-another lone sailor/Sunset & Main.

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Merchants National Bank
2001 E. 7th Street
Los Angeles

Construction: 1924
Architect: Weston & Weston


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I am still trying to find a vintage photograph of this fine building.
This is the best I could do at short notice .

Intersection of East 7th and Mateo in 1933:


USC Digital Library

Close-up of the bank on the left. The set includes five pictures of the intersection, but this is the only one which includes any of the bank.


Detail of picture above.

A second set of three pictures gives better results.


USC Digital Library

One of the other shots shows the cars at the side in more detail. Here's a larger view of the bank.


Detail of picture above.
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A couple of others by Weston & Weston:

The Hollywood American Legion; 2035 N Highland. We must have seen this here before, but...no luck with "search"--




The North Hollywood branch of the LAPL--built as the Sidney Lanier Branch, now honors Amelia Earhart; 5211 Tujunga




Both still stand.


All LAPL


Btw--here's an old post on the Ford plant in the background of your first shot, HossC...it appears to have a number of missing pics, which I'll try to fix.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1249
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