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Generally, white on black traffic signs were used from the early 30s until the 50s and most contained reflector buttons to increase visibility at night. In the 30s, reflectors were made of glass and then changed to plastic during WWII. These signs were phased out in the early 60s when reflective sheeting was mandated for traffic signs. Hope this helps.
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A daylight slide (big fins on that car)

1960s (?)


That is a '62 Cadillac. I own a '63.

Looks like the Dragnet era to me
Normally I wouldn't quibble about such things, but, used to own a '61 and currently own a '62. I can say with some assurance, that's a '61!

I like that one could pull off into the ivy, if need be.



Nowadays the view of Becket's 1964 Federal Bldg is rather obscured by Carfagno's 1988 Metropolitan Detention Ctr.
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old file of mine / possibly waterandpower

Here's a good view of the 1964 Federal Building.

note the same warehouse (lower left corner) can be seen in both images. (there's a sign along the roof-line, ending in L.A.)
I see 'TAIX' restaurant in the BW photograph, but not in the color slide.
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Bixel House

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The apartment building is Bixel House at 625 Bixel Street.

Today the parking lot is gone, and the lot has been excavated. (a close-call for the Bixel)


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According to the real estate sites, Bixel House was built as a hotel in 1928. It is still officially classified as a hotel. There are 77 studio units, each with a bath (just 35 were rehabbed). It is currently managed by Solari Enterprises, Inc, "affordable housing specialists", as low-cost housing, although it will segue into market rate as the initial tenants leave (I believe that's the usual arrangement).

The construction pit, which wraps around the side and back of Bixel House, is said to be for new condos.


P.S.

Spectra Company restored the painted signage
(they did a good job, it looks original):

previously posted by e_r (detail)'

From the rear, Bixel House looks like it's levitating. Strange effect:

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In honor of Los Angeles' bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics...

Exterior of the 1932 Olympic Games ticket and information office, located inside the National City Bank Building at 810 S. Spring Street, downtown LA.

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Men's gymnastics at the Coliseum, 1932 Summer Olympic Games in Los Angeles.

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People in the stands at the Coliseum during the 1932 Summer Olympics. Can you imagine dressing that way to go to a sporting event nowadays? In the foreground are Olympic athletes.

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According to the real estate sites, Bixel House was built as a hotel in 1928. There are 77 studio units, each with a bath. It is currently managed by Solari Enterprises, Inc, "affordable housing specialists", as low-cost housing, although it will segue into market rate as the initial tenants leave (I believe that's the usual arrangement).

The construction pit, which wraps around the side and back of Bixel House, is said to be for new condos.
Thanks for the information t2.

I drove the google-mobile a block west (to Lucas Avenue) to see if I could view the Bixel from behind. (I thought there might be an additional painted sign)

Yep, there's the Bixel.*


gsv

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...but NOW things get interesting! Let's call this..."The Case of the Missing Building"


Here's the same view in 2009.

2009

gsv

So how did we miss this demolition!?

-street numbers above the front entrance, 632.




And there was also this great looking old stone wall out front! (so what happened to this!?)



I would have loved to have a piece of this old stone wall. (especially that 'orb' at the end)







After searching for what seemed like forever, I finally found the following information:

re: The "Sixth and Bixel" development




Last resort, I thought I'd check Bing Maps...and sure enough there is the 1923 'mystery' building in the center of the photo. (with the tile roof)


bing_maps

That's the Bixel at lower right.

After all this, I still haven't found a vintage photograph of the old Bishop Johnson College/Good Samaritan Nurse's Dormitory.
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*I just found this tantalizing bit of information.




My goal is to find a vintage photograph of the 1923 dormitory with this elaborate cross on the roof!!
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*I didn't realize t2 had already looked at the Bixel from Lucas Avenue. Good minds think alike.

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Bixel House block development



There was more of that nice stone wall around on the W 6th St side of the development:

2009 gsv

Of course it's gone now too:

gsv

Is that handsome medical building on 6th & Lucas a goner too?


(I didn't mean to trip you up e_r with my obsessive re-editing)

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Normally I wouldn't quibble about such things, but, used to own a '61 and currently own a '62. I can say with some assurance, that's a '61!

I like that one could pull off into the ivy, if need be.



Nowadays the view of Becket's 1964 Federal Bldg is rather obscured by Carfagno's 1988 Metropolitan Detention Ctr.
I stand corrected. I am better at detecting the subtle differences between '63 and '64 Caddys.
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old file of mine / possibly waterandpower

Here's a good view of the 1964 Federal Building.

note the same warehouse (lower left corner) can be seen in both images. (there's a sign along the roof-line, ending in L.A.)
I see 'TAIX' restaurant in the BW photograph, but not in the color slide.
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Here's a throwback to 2009, posted here. Looks like when Commercial newly dead-ended when the Fed bldg was plopped in front of it, they rerouted Commercial where it becomes Aliso right through the site of Taix & friends.



The "LA" building is the Los Angeles Warehouse Company, 316 Commercial.

An early image, and one from 1984—


flickr

(The album from which that last image came, 'tis something to behold.)

A bit about the Los Angeles Warehouse Co building—erected in 1906, Charles F Whittlesey, architect. Cannot stress enough his importance as a pioneer modernist and influence regarding reinforced concrete; the Hotel Hayward, the Burnett Bldg, the Lissner Bldg, and of course Clunes Auditorium, AKA the largest concrete structure in the world, plus he was likely the architect of 1601 Industrial, which was a worldwide leap in reinforced concrete design, and ought to be considered a world historical site, according to John Crandell.

Thus, to have lost a major early reinforced concrete structure by Whittlesey is a bit disheartening.

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Thanks for personal pictures of the Paradise Building, Flyingwedge. It's good to see some of the Academy Award pictures that were mentioned on Cinema Treasures.

I also enjoyed Slauson Slim's memories of visiting the Bank of America on South Broadway.


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Last resort, I thought I'd check Bing Maps...and sure enough there is the 1923 'mystery' building in the center of the photo. (with the burnt umber tile roof)


bing_maps

That's the Bixel at lower right.

After all this, I still haven't found a vintage photograph of the old Bishop Johnson College/Good Samaritan Nurse's Dormitory.
I haven't found a close-up of the building, or a picture of the cross in situ, but here's the nurses' dormitory and Bixel House together in my favorite panorama. It dates from around 1929.


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

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Today the parking lot is gone ...
So many times we've looked for buildings from old photos and found them replaced by parking lots. I thought this was an amusing twist.
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While we're talking about the Union Oil Center, have we seen this picture of its construction before? It's dated 1956, and all the usual suspects are in the background, e.g. the Edison Building, Monarch Hotel, Architects' Building, Richfield Tower etc.


USC Digital Library

It wasn't until I zoomed in that I noticed that one of the people looking at the progress through the viewing windows was a boy with his leg in a cast.


Detail of picture above.

Another picture we may have seen before is this 1958 shot from the Unocal Building. It's pretty much a reverse of the great color image, also from 1958, that e_r posted yesterday (see here for a reminder). I love the way it captures Bunker Hill being squeezed out by the freeway from the west and new devopment from the east.


USC Digital Library

Here's a closer view of the Civic Center.


USC Digital Library

The photoset has another two pictures. This one just misses the nurses' dormitory, but does include the Hotel Teris and a view down Wilshire to La Brea Park and beyond.


USC Digital Library

The final image looks across the freeway between 5th and 6th Streets. The photoset is titled "Clear weather in Los Angeles (no smog), 1958", and I think that's obvious from how far we can see. I've just spotted the Bendix sign near the right edge.


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People in the stands at the Coliseum during the 1932 Summer Olympics. Can you imagine dressing that way to go to a sporting event nowadays?


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You've obviously never been to an Ashes cricket match at Lord's in London, although I'll admit that this isn't standard attire at most NASCAR races .


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A daylight slide (big fins on that car)

1960s (?)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cars-Cadilla...item2ee56f8099

What's attached to the top of the streetlight? -an antenna of some sort?
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The antenna is for the call box located just out of sight behind the car. Oh, for the days when everyone was not perpetually glued to their cell phones!
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The "Sixth and Bixel" Project

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Is that handsome medical building on 6th & Lucas a goner too?

1130 W 6th/Good Samaritan Physicians' Building (William J Dodd, 1923) will not be demolished, it's being rehabbed as part of the "Sixth and Bixel" development:



The project is also not condos, but rental units.

The 648 units (from studios to three bedrooms) will rent from $1,500 to $4,000. There's also 25K sq ft of commercial and retail space planned to face on W 6th St. Twenty-seven units will be affordable housing, at least for now.

In the works since 2007, "Sixth and Bixel" should open in late 2016.

There's a very entertaining time-lapse of the construction so far here (unfortunately it doesn't start until after the dorm is gone).

More info here and here


la downtown news


P.S.

The "Sixth and Bixel" project is in an area now called "City West" or "Central City West". Its borders are outlined in red on the map below
(I notice the Mayfair Hotel falls just outside City West):

google maps

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Thanks for the follow-ups t2 (Sixth & Bixel Project), Beaudry (Los Angeles Warehouse Co.) & HossC (construction photos of Union Oil Center and others).
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I think Bixel House should thanks it's lucky stars. Just look how it is virtually surrounded by the '6th & Bixel Project.'

below: that little 'slot' is where the Bixel is located.


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It looks like the area to the south, and next to the Bixel is going to be a small park.

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It seems like Julius Shulman just couldn't keep away from Vermont Avenue. Here we have the Bank of America on the corner of Manchester Avenue. The photoset is "Job 1091: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1951". Above the bank were the offices of Gregory M Creutz, attorney at law.



Here are the stores to the south of the bank. They include a Thrifty Yardage Center, 3 Pal's Gifts and a Thrifty Baby Store.



This shot looks straight down the streetcar right-of-way.



I thought the picture above deserved a couple of close-ups. The first shows Berland's Shoes on the corner opposite the bank. The store on the left is Grayson's. Fab Fifties Fan wrote about the Grayson's at Inglewood in post #4951.



On the right, there's a drug store on the north corner of Manchester Avenue, with a California Bank on the south side. In the distance is the Balboa Theatre at 8713 S Vermont Avenue.



All from Getty Research Institute

I actually mouthed the word "wow" when I saw the first picture of this bank, so you can imagine my disappointment when I found it was gone. In fact, pretty much everything on the east side of the street has gone. The only survivors I found are the cafe next to the bank on Manchester Avenue (it's now a heavily-shuttered mission center), and the stripey Thrifty Baby Store (which now resembles a bunker). The west side of the street is a different story. The drug store on the corner has even retained its blade sign.


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I'm not a fan of the blue awnings, but at least the California Bank building survives as a Salvation Army Thrift Store.


GSV

According to William Gabel at cinematreasures.org:
The Balboa Theatre opened in April 6, 1926 and was operated by Fox West Coast Theatres. After closing it housed a mosque belonging to the Nation of Islam, but they moved out of the building in 2009. By 2015 the building had been converted into production studios.
It now seems to be called Pan Andreas West.


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According to a 2011 LA Times article, Pan Andreas West is owned by actor George Pan-Andreas, who also owns the Pan-Andreas Theater at 5119 Melrose Avenue. The main part of the article is about George Pan-Andreas' Alexander: Ruler of the World apartments at 830 N Van Ness Avenue. I'm surprised it hasn't come up before, but I couldn't find any previous mentions.


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The LAT article says the apartments "were purportedly built by Paramount Studios to house actors in 1927." Looking at the City Directories, it seems to have been known as the Estelle Apartments for most of its life. The painted façade, decorated by artist Danny Doxton as a tribute to Alexander the Great, has faded a bit over the years. The picture below shows the original deep red with orange swirls. I've read mixed reviews, but it's apparently a popular stop for Hollywood tour buses.


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Sunset Drive-In Round-up & a mystery drive-in

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I just found this.


Was there ever a Carpenter's near the Rite Spot Cafe' on N. Vine Street?




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The short answer is, not that I know of.
I’ve been meaning to organize my files on the Hollywood drive-ins so here goes.
The Carpenter’s at Vine has been much shown, here…
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14241
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=29699
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17962
which are probably only a few of many more.
These pictures are all previously posted. (these drive-ins were here all those years yet there only seem to be a handful of photos of them).
I did some research using newspapers, city directories and the city online building records trying to get them organized in my mind. (Not going to post all the permits, unless someone wants them, I happily can do) So to round ‘em up: heading down Sunset

6285 Sunset NE Corner @ Vine
CARPENTER’S


This is the one that was demolished for the NBC studio.
• 1930 Carpenter’s builds a sandwich stand here.
• 1938 NBC builds its broadcasting studio here
• 1962 NBC’s Radio City is demolished





6-6-34 LATimes

6290 Sunset SE corner @ Vine
PIG STAND / CARPENTER’S / STAN’S


This is where Carpenter’s moved when its first Sunset & Vine stand was to be demolished. Originally though it was a rival drive-in operated by the Pig Stand chain from Texas. Not sure Pig Stand was still in biz when Carpenter’s took over the location in fall 1937. But carpenter’s demolished the building and put a new one built by engineer SB Barnes. They were there until it became a Stan’s, 1951.
• 1931 the Pig Stand BBQ Sandwich restaurant goes up.
• 1937 Sept. Carpenter’s demolishes the existing building, builds a new drive-in opens here.
• 1951 Carpenter’s becomes a Stan’s Drive-in
• 1961 Drive-in demolished for 20-story Sunset-Vine Tower









Getting back to E-R’s question, these were the only Carpenter’s on Vine that I know of.

6407 Sunset - NE cor @ Cahuenga & NW cor @ Ivar aka 1502 N. Cahuenga
ROBERTS/SCRIVNER’S


Scriveners at Cahuenga covered here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10601

Roberts leased this property in 1939, demolishing an existing building that had been something called the Hollywood Mercantile in the 1890s; since 1917 it had housed the Frank Meline-owned Hollywood Laundry. When Roberts came along, HL moved to the north, taking its roof-sign with it. Between 1952 and Nov 1956 became “Scrivner’s.” And some time in or around 1958 it became a gas station. Jack in the Box now occupies this property. Its Sunset address is 6407.
• 1890s Hollywood Mercantile
• 1917 Hollywood Laundry (owned by Frank Meline) buys this lot.
• 1939 Roberts Bros. lease the corner; builds its drive-in. Hollywood Laundry moves to the north
• 1952 The drive-in becomes Scrivner’s
• 1960 Drive-in is demolished for a service station (per building records)


matchbook from Roberts



11-30-56 LATimes

6760 SE cor @ Highland and cor @ McCadden
SIMON’S / STAN’S

One of two Simon’s on Sunset for a few years. Across from Hollywood High School and the Currie’s ice cream. Simon’s was here as of 1938. S.B. Barnes was engineer for the round building. As of December 1951 it became a Stan’s drive in. Since Stan’s took over the Carpenter’s at Vine that same year, there were now 2 Stan’s on Sunset. It was still a drive-in in 1971 when it was demolished.
• As of 1938 Simon’s Drive-in here
• 1951 Simon’s becomes Stan’s
• 1971 demolished.




7101 Sunset NW cor @ La Brea
MCDONNELL’S / TINY NAYLOR’S


McDonnell’s is here as of 1936 but isn't listed in their 1940 ad. By 1952 this location had become a Tiny Naylor’s drive in. No pictures (that I know of) showing it as McDonnell’s.
• As of 1936 Drive-in here
• 1952 Drive in becomes Tiny Naylor’s
• 1980’s Tiny Naylor’s demolished.

Jan 1940 LATimes



8204

Colonial Drive In / Marquise

This is the one that became Marquise Restaurant (non-drive-in) covered here recently.



8801 Sunset @ Horn
SIMON’S / DOLORES’ / JACK’S ON THE STRIP


This was a Simon’s Drive in as of 1937 at least. In 1945 it was taken over by Amanda & Ralph Stephens, who’d founded the first Dolores in Oklahoma City, OK. Dolores isn't here as of 1950 and at some point a diner named “Jack’s on the Strip” opened here- no other info about the property until it was demolished for Tower Records.
• 1935-37: About this date Simon’s opens a sandwich stand here
• 1945: Dolores Drive-In opens here by this year
• 195?: Becomes Jack’s on the Strip drive-in
• 1970: demolished for Tower Records


as Simon's c. 1937

a as Dolores

9-28-50 LA Times

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now a mystery drive in (mystery to me that is).
Hollywood Historic Photos has this view of a McDonnell’s captioned Sunset & Cahuenga 1941 and supposedly designed by Wayne McAlister.

here

I can sure see the influence of Wayne’s other 1941 design, the El Rancho Vegas in Nevada.
my files

But if that building was at Cahuenga and Sunset?…… I don’t know it.
• SE cor Sunset & Cahuenga: One of those under-photographed corners, I have no idea what was here. In the fall 1942-summer 1943 the American Women’s Voluntary Services (AWVS) had it HQ here, whatever it was. Amoeba Records is on this site now.
• NE cor Sunset & Cahuenga was the Robert’s
• NW corner Sunset & Cahuenga had been Sweet’s Furniture Exchange since 1935 (6425 Sunset)
• SW corner Sunset & Cahuenga was a Shell station.

There WAS a McDonnell’s at YUCCA and Cahuenga. I don’t know if that’s it, though. I found a record of Melvin (M.A.) McDonnell applying for a permit in 1932 at 1820 Cahuenga, NE corner but didn’t see a 1941 record. I think this must be the later location of Biff’s, whose sign (next to the gas station) is shown in E-R’s post here:



(There’s the family connection between Biff’s and Tiny Naylor’s and the McDonnell’s at La Brea became a Tiny Naylor’s) but I found no record of it in the online records either.

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Sixth and Bixel Project

I can't be the only one who is getting disoriented by all the changes in "City West" (AKA Crown Hills). I thought I'd look back to a couple of the old maps.

The 1909 Birdseye shows light development on the 6th/Bixel/Orange/Lucas block with what appears to be an estate (or an institution?) nearest the 6th and Lucas corner. Nothing doing on the Good Sam block yet. There's an entirely different Bixel Hotel (than the one we've been looking at) on the east side of Bixel:

loc

By 1921 Good Sam is up (Shatto continues to T-junction at Lucas). The large estate (?) at Lucas and 6th is still in place. As well as the other residential development it's been joined by a new apartment building (facing on Orange/Wilshire):

basist 1921, plate 8 (detail)

Today:

google maps


I guess my question is, what was the 'large estate' at 6th and Lucas?
(and were those nice stone walls on Lucas and 6th originally built for the estate?)



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It looks like the area to the south, and next to the Bixel is going to be a small park.

The Sixth and Bixel project doesn't seem to have much access to the new park site, but it will be nice for the other apartments that overlook it:

google maps

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Great round-up of drive-ins, NCD.

The Carpenter's/Rite Spot image posted by e_r (below) is from the Herman J. Schultheis Collection at LAPL. Their title is "Carpenter's Village in Glendale". BifRayRock posted it along with a few others from the same location in post #9205.

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Was there ever a Carpenter's near the Rite Spot Cafe' on N. Vine Street?



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