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Whoa, I noticed all sorts of things in that photograph but not the end of the tracks.

So they just stop.....no barricade or anything....is that normal?

You blew my mind Ed
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A zanja by any other name?



1887 (per source) - Laying conduit on Winston Street
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/11900


Wonder about the date. Was Winston Street this developed by 1887? Could the date be off by a decade or more? See no listing for Congress Bar/Cafe.


More on Winston Street: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=28138






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Santa Monica Pier's Looff Hippodrome Turns 100 This Year
A big celebration is planned for the venerable carousel house.
It opened on June 12, 1916.




From the linked article: Celebrations will include 5 cent rides on the historic carousel, tours of the second-floor apartments
that once offered residents some of the most unique views in all of Los Angeles and "potato chip sundaes," a tribute to what
would have been one of the most popular snacks served at the pier at the time of its opening.

The celebration will begin at 11 a.m., when (as the press release promises) "the doors will be swung open with the same
vigor as when Charles Looff first did the honors back in 1916." Take that, ferris wheel.

Note: The Ferris Wheel comment refers to the fact it will be down for a month for a lighting upgrade.

Two articles:

http://la.curbed.com/santa-monica-pier

https://www.kcet.org/carousel-and-the-era-of-seaside-amusement


1930's view: LAPL







Not to diminish the significance of a centennial celebration, but there is something to be said about the same location's "Hopperesque" simplicity in 1910. Notice the stylish street lights that obviously did not last too long.

1910 Santa Monica Pier
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/11830



An unrelated, but equally quaint example of 1910 Street lighting.


1910 Riverside Street Light
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/12182




In 1910, there were alternative (perhaps less elaborate) amusements in Long Beach.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/12154









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Prologue: I hope all my Hollywood Canteen posts haven't become too tedious for anyone.

This is Lawrence Eugene Whitmire. He was called Gene. He was born on January 16, 1926 and
is today 90 years old. That means in the following photo, taken in 1943, he is 17 years old!



I wanted to post this exterior because it's the only photo I've seen where there is some
landscaping (greenery) in the front area.


The following photo was captioned: "Gene (left) with fellow crew member waiting for a show at
the Hollywood Canteen in 1943." If they're waiting, I'm not sure of their location, if it indeed
was around the canteen, it doesn't look familiar. But, neither did the greenery in the first one!



As I was about to post this, I had a thought about where they might be in the above photograph,
but I'll see if anyone else might have an idea first so as not to cloud anyone's thoughts.

More info about Gene Whitmire HERE and HERE.
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On occasion we've had some photos where we try to figure out the Hollywood celebrities in the photographs.



This is a photo at the Hollywood Canteen with several people checking out the Hollywood Hall of Honor, which
were those in the entertainment industry in the armed services. It's dated 1944. Six of the seven people
pictured are named: Director Mervyn LeRoy, pointing, Bette Davis, Jane Wyman, Marlene Dietrich, Bob Hope
and Joan Leslie. Who in the group is not named?

If anyone wants to, I'd like see if we can name the people on the Hollywood Hall of Honor.






TOP ROW #1:
1:
2:
3:
4:
5:
6:
7:
8:
9:
10: (not pictured)


ROW #2:
11:
12:
13:
14:
15:
16:
17:
18:
19:
20: (not pictured)


MIDDLE ROW #3:
21:
22:
23:
24: John Ford (? director)

25: HOLLYWOOD
26: HALL OF HONOR

27:
28:
29:
30: (very little shown)


ROW #4:
31:
32:
33:
34: Cesar Romero (?)
35: Ronald Reagan
36: Clark Gable
37:
38:
39:
40: (mostly seen)


BOTTOM ROW #5:
41:
42:William Powell (?)
43:
44: Henry Fonda
45: Victor Mature (?)
46:
47:
48:
49:
50: (mostly seen)


I put in a few suggestions to start.

In the next post are five related photos that might help to see some of
the pictures better, though in at least one of them, some photos aren't
in the same location, so be aware of that.
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Pictured: Bob Hope, Better Davis, Marlene Dietrich.



Pictured: Bunny Waters Green and Al Ybarra.



Pictured: Marlene Dietrich, Bob Hope, Bette Davis.



Pictured: Bunny Waters Green, right, and unidentified person.



Pictured: Marlene Dietrich, Bob Hope, Bette Davis.
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Row 3 #7 looks like Robert Stack. He was in the Navy in WWII.

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A seller on eBay describes this as....

"HOT MESS LOS ANGELES COP INSPECTS TRAFFIC ACCIDENT" [4" x 5" original negative]


http://www.ebay.com/itm/MD1-563-HOT-...MAAOSwcl1XPPcy

Two things:

What in the Sam Hell just happened!?

Why is there so much dust on the cars? -it looks like they haven't been driven in months





Photo #2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MD1-562-HOT-...3D361563171536

Like the seller said..."It's a Hot Mess."

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Here's an interesting slide I just found on eBay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SL10-VINTAGE...3D322094862554

We're looking north on Figueroa just below 7th Street. The brick building just ahead on the right is Engine Co. #28.

You can't see it, but the Statler Hotel would be just ahead on the left.
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Here's a vertical view of the same street corner. (I didn't notice this companion slide earlier)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SL10-VINTAGE...3D322094862554



-note this interesting Metropolitan sign.


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On occasion we've had some photos where we try to figure out the Hollywood celebrities in the photographs.



This is a photo at the Hollywood Canteen with several people checking out the Hollywood Hall of Honor, which
were those in the entertainment industry in the armed services. It's dated 1944. Six of the seven people
pictured are named: Director Mervyn LeRoy, pointing, Bette Davis, Jane Wyman, Marlene Dietrich, Bob Hope
and Joan Leslie. Who in the group is not named?

If anyone wants to, I'd like see if we can name the people on the Hollywood Hall of Honor.






TOP ROW #1:
1:
2:William Holden
3:
4:
5:
6:
7:Broderick Crawford
8:Shepperd Strudwick
9:
10: (not pictured)


ROW #2:
11:
12:
13:
14:George Montgomery
15:
16:
17:Robert Sterling
18:
19:
20: (not pictured)


MIDDLE ROW #3:
21:
22:
23:
24: John Ford (? director)

25: HOLLYWOOD
26: HALL OF HONOR

27:
28:
29:
30: (very little shown)


ROW #4:
31:
32:
33:
34: Cesar Romero (?)
35: Ronald Reagan
36: Clark Gable
37:
38:
39:
40: (mostly seen)


BOTTOM ROW #5:
41:
42:William Powell (?)
43:
44: Henry Fonda
45: Victor Mature (?)
46:
47:
48:
49:
50: (mostly seen)


I put in a few suggestions to start.

In the next post are five related photos that might help to see some of
the pictures better, though in at least one of them, some photos aren't
in the same location, so be aware of that.

Hi Martin:
As you say, photos have been rearranged and there are other differences of angle etc. in the various shots that make it hard (for me) to follow your numbering system, but here are some of the names (in addition to those I've added to your list above), starting with the 3rd row. Most of these I'm pretty sure of, I'll indicate when not positive.
Row 3 # 1 Van Heflin (possibly), #2 John Payne, #3 Alan Ladd. #4 John Ford, #6 James Stewart (?). # 7 Robert Stack, #8 Glenn Ford.
Row 4 #1 Sabu, #2 Dan Dailey, #3 Gig Young, #4 Ceasar Romero, #5 Ronald Reagan, #6 Clark Gable, #8 Robert Taylor, #9 possibly Edmund O'brien or William Eythe.
Row 4 #4 Henry Fonda, #5 Victor Mature, #6 Robert Montgomery, #9 possibly Desi Arnaz, #10 Eddie Albert.
One of the photos that changes position and is of a man in a white navy uniform & he's looking up & is below Ronald Reagan in the Bunny Waters picture...that's probably actor Richard Ney (husband of Greer Garson), although there is some resemblance to Peter Lawford.

The unidentified woman in the top photo between Joan Leslie and Bette Davis is Patricia Morrison, who I think is still alive, age 101 & last I heard lived at Park LaBrea..

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1887 (per source) - Laying conduit on Winston Street
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/11900

Wonder about the date. Was Winston Street this developed by 1887? Could the date be off by a decade or more? See no listing for Congress Bar/Cafe.
The John Milner building that housed The Congress Bar/Cafe was at 419 S Main Street. I think the date on the front says 1895, although it could be 1885. I found this reference to the Congress Cafe in the February 22, 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald:
At 1:30 o'clock this morning the Congress cafe, formerly the Old Heidelberg cafe, 419 South Main street, closed its doors. Another result of The Herald's crusade against protected vice.
I couldn't find the Old Heidelberg Cafe in the CDs either, but I'd say that HDL's date could be about two decades out.
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That's such a great photograph....so many interesting things to look at.

on a sidenote:
that guy in the trench has an awfully big pipe.

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I could be wrong, but I don't believe we've seen this image on NLA.

Pacific Electric Ticket Office and Trolley Cafe at 1450 Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica.


http://westside-historic.tumblr.com/image/144739780641

Could this be the last day of service? -hence all the photographers. (also there are two white flags on the streetcar)




While trying to read the signs on the Trolley Cafe, I notice this stooped-over man.


detail

I don't believe he's physically deformed. I think he's trying to avoid being in the way of all the photographers across the street.




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The John Milner building that housed The Congress Bar/Cafe was at 419 S Main Street. I think the date on the front says 1895, although it could be 1885. I found this reference to the Congress Cafe in the February 22, 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald:
At 1:30 o'clock this morning the Congress cafe, formerly the Old Heidelberg cafe, 419 South Main street, closed its doors. Another result of The Herald's crusade against protected vice.
I couldn't find the Old Heidelberg Cafe in the CDs either, but I'd say that HDL's date could be about two decades out.
Some pertinent data:

--The pic shows a sidewalk at left. At least as of December 28, 1892, Winston had not been sidewalked: "Ordinances of intention to sidewalk portions of Los Angeles, Winston, Franklin and Second streets coming up on postponement, were referred to the incoming [City] Council" (LA Times 12/28/1892).

--Adjoining the sidewalk referred to above, I see a curb. From the LA Times of June 27, 1899: "The City Engineer presented the following ordinances for street work, all of which were adopted under suspension of the rules: [...] ordinance of intention to [...] construct a cement curb along each side of Winston street, from the first alley east of Los Angeles street, to San Pedro street."

--Is there any evidence in the pic of "an overhead feed wire"? From the LA Times of October 23, 1900: "The attempt to string an overhead feed wire on Main street from Sixth to Winston street, and from there to the power-house of the Edison Electric Company has been a fruitful source of trouble. The workmen who were placing the wire on the superstructure were arrested twice last week at the instigation of the striking electric linemen and the end is not yet" [sic].

The men's clothing fashion looks ca. 1910-1920 or so to me (having a big pipe is always haute couture). We see, at the right, a lady walking away from us; the look of her clothing and hat bespeak ca. 1895-1915.

All things considered, I'm thinking this pic is about 1910. At least, that's what I'm thinking until probably a second after posting . . .
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Thank you JeffDiego and John Maddox Roberts for your assistance!


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This is a photo at the Hollywood Canteen with several people checking out the Hollywood Hall of Honor, which
were those in the entertainment industry in the armed services. It's dated 1944.

The seven people pictured are (left to right):
Joan Leslie, Patricia Morrison, Jane Wyman, Bette Davis, Bob Hope, director Mervyn LeRoy and Marlene Dietrich.
Here's everyone's best guesses as to whom is pictured on the Hollywood Hall of Honor so far:

Quote:




TOP ROW #1:
1:
2: William Holden
3:
4:
5:
6:
7: Broderick Crawford
8: Shepperd Strudwick
9:
10: (not pictured)


ROW #2:
11:
12:
13:
14: George Montgomery
15:
16:
17: Robert Sterling
18:
19:
20: (not pictured)


MIDDLE ROW #3:
21: Van Heflin
22: John Payne
23: Alan Ladd
24: John Ford

25: HOLLYWOOD
26: HALL OF HONOR

27:
28: James Stewart
29: Robert Stack
30: (very little shown)


ROW #4:
31: Sabu
32: Dan Dailey
33: Gig Young
34: Cesar Romero
35: Ronald Reagan
36: Clark Gable
37: Robert Taylor
38: Edmund O'Brien or William Eythe
39:
40: (mostly seen)


BOTTOM ROW #5:
41:
42: Richard Ney
43:
44: Henry Fonda
45: Victor Mature
46: Robert Montgomery
47: Desi Arnaz
48: Eddie Albert
49:
50: (mostly seen)
--Jeff, I wasn't quite sure which photograph you had pointed out for Glenn Ford.

--I have a feeling that a couple so-far unnamed photos are directors. Could one be George Stevens?

--I had to look up "Shepperd Strudwick." Really long career in film and television, including the Best Picture winner "All the King's Men" and the great "A Place in the Sun." Also in "The Reckless Moment," a film I probably saw because I looked for it when the remake, titled "The Deep End," came out.

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A seller on eBay describes this as....

"HOT MESS LOS ANGELES COP INSPECTS TRAFFIC ACCIDENT"
That made me laugh!

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Why is there so much dust on the cars? -it looks like they haven't been driven in months
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A lot of cars in L.A. look like that now, and in the past couple years, because of the drought!

Here's an L.A. Times article from last summer:

How to Keep Your Car Sparkling Clean, or Not, During a Drought

http://www.latimes.com/autos/la-drought-20150715-story.html
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe we've seen this image on NLA.
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We did last Saturday:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35100

But yours is nicer: !

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I also liked seeing your photo this morning with the Richfield Building peaking up in the distance.
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The John Milner building that housed The Congress Bar/Cafe was at 419 S Main Street. I think the date on the front says 1895, although it could be 1885. I found this reference to the Congress Cafe in the February 22, 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald:
At 1:30 o'clock this morning the Congress cafe, formerly the Old Heidelberg cafe, 419 South Main street, closed its doors. Another result of The Herald's crusade against protected vice.
I couldn't find the Old Heidelberg Cafe in the CDs either, but I'd say that HDL's date could be about two decades out.





Appreciate the followups.


To my eyes the date looks like 1895. The dress also looks a little later than that (consistent with civilian attire associated with the Spanish Am War 1898), but I am guessing styles were slow to change, even in the big city.

It would be interesting to know the composition of the conduit/street plumbing. It does not appear to be threaded. Curiously, there appear to be many layers of conduit, making detection and repair of a short at the bottom of the heap extra-labor intensive. It is presumed that the conduit pictured was for electrification, although those gasometers and water mains of the day clearly supplied product in forms other than bottles or other containers. Also unclear whether some of the utilities shared the same trenches and poles. Odinthor's quote suggests some utilities were independently minded caring more for their own interests as opposed to others.






ps: HossC, a certain photo hosting site seems to be retroactively picky about enlarged images. Some will post, others ?

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Chart conveniently overlooks a lot of factors, including "miles per charge" or "charge time."

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/13330




G.V. Electric Trucks
http://pics.imcdb.org/290/7061875279_a94c85ba60_z.jpg





1918

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg...rd-model-t.jpg


http://www.imcdb.org/i076118.jpg



http://www.antiqbrocdelatour.com/Les...any%201913.jpg




A potpourri of electric vehicles and other contrivances employed by So Cal Edison or their customers.



1914 - 1745/9 East 15th Street - Wheat Cabinet Co.
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/14701









Lorendoc, all aboard to Laurel Canyon! 1910
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/11997

For color version: http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=19024




The Angelus in the background.
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/13428




Grand Ave downhill 1912
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/12303




Grand Ave uphill 1912 Jimmy Cagney doppelganger
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/12304





Hoist that pole! 1913
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/13742




Steady boys! 1913
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/13741






Heave Ho. (Undated. Per source, Slauson and Main(?)
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/14877





1916 - Putting some muscle into stove delivery at unknown Long Beach residence.
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/15413





1912 - Pacific Hardware @ 932 East 9th Street.
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/13378















Electric Sidewalk car in Santa Monica/Venice 1926 (Per source) (A few indicators suggest the image may be earlier. )
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/7572


http://www.erha.org/venicetram02.jpg


http://www.erha.org/venicetram03.jpg











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