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Old Posted Nov 10, 2017, 5:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ardecila View Post
Great. Get on with it!

I wonder if Siemens will just adapt their high-level Brightline/"Viaggio Comfort" design for low platforms, or if they will engineer an FRA-compliant version of the low-floor "Viaggio Light" design used in Israel.

Level boarding would really make the Hiawatha feel more like a commuter train...

Either way, the new Siemens cars will certainly gel with the new Siemens locomotives much better than the bilevels would have. Sleeker is always better.
They will look better, just like the Brightline trains with a snub nose on the locomotive. But that will not be better relative to the number of seats on a train.
Some math, assuming the newer replacement cars have the same number of seats.
Existing Surfliners coach cars have 89 seats per car.
Existing Amfleet I coach cars have 72 seats per car.
130 x 89 = 11,570
137 x 72 = 9,864
I have no idea exactly how many seats would have been installed in either of the new cars which is why I used the existing cars as examples. Therefore, most likely the new fleet will have 1,706 fewer seats now, the equivalent of 23.6 single level cars with 72 seats.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2017, 7:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Busy Bee View Post
It's official. The planned use of bi-level coaches on Amtrak regional trains in multiple trains is out in favor of single level cars built by Siemens after bi-level crash worthiness proves too difficult to accomplish under FAA guidelines:

Thursday, November 09, 2017

Siemens in, Nippon Sharyo out of Caltrans pact

I for one am thrilled. Not only do they look better, single-level coaches function better considering bi-level coaches are not needed on longer distance routes with no capacity issues.
The NGEC had to alter the weight limitations on the PRIIA 305-003 single-level specifications in order for Siemens' equipment to be compliant.

-Single-level coach weight went from 104,000lbs. to 126,200lbs., an increase of 21%.

-Single-level cafe car weight went from 111,000lbs. to 133,200lbs., an increase of 20%

-Single-level cab/baggage car weight went from 108,000lbs. to 137,200lbs., an increase of 27%.

One wonders if Nippon-Sharyo had been given the same increases in allowable weight whether Rochelle would be turning out new bi-levels today.

Siemens has been angling for a while to convince Amtrak that the Viaggio Comfort should be the Amfleet replacement car. This gives Siemens a chance to showcase the car without Amtrak having to spend a dime to test them out. Plus if an acceptable bi-level design does appear (Amtrak needs a Superliner replacement at some point as well) Caltrans/IDOT/MDOT could sell their single-level cars to Amtrak for long-distance coaches.

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