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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 8:45 PM
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If you want to move and live in arguably the best country in the world the least you could do is learn one of the languages.

As for the Chinese community, I find the overwhelming majority of Chinese make excellent citizens but these corrupt, money laundering, passport buying, and xenophobic recent arrivals have given the entire Chinese population in Vancouver an extremely bad name. These recent arrivals have undone decades of improving race/cultural relations.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 11:00 PM
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What's wrong with China? Where do you want to start?

-The brutal repression of ethnic & religious minorities.
-The lack of rule of law for citizens who can be spirited away in the middle of the night, even from foreign countries.
-The race to steal manufacturing jobs at the cost of polluting not just china but the whole planet.
-Trying to control what its citizens think by blocking internet sites.
-A culture of corruption and cronyism that spreads to everywhere in the world their money touches.

I could go on and on, I'm surprised they even let you read SSP frankly.
Chinese government =/= Chinese people. Individuals should not be treated poorly just because they come from a country whose government has objectionable policies.

While you do have a point that the Chinese government has some major issues, I would like to address a couple of points:

1. While Tibetans and Uighurs are certainly treated badly by the Chinese government (not entirely surprising, given the separatist element in both of these ethnic groups) there are plenty of ethnic and religious minorities who are not oppressed by the government. Eg. The Hui, a Muslim minority who are very well integrated into Chinese society.

2. Why blame China for the loss of manufacturing jobs? Why not blame western companies who voluntarily moved their factories to China to take advantage of low labour costs and lax environmental regulations? The Chinese didn't force these companies to move there. As far as pollution goes, yes, it's bad, but there is a major effort to clean it up - China is already the world's largest investor in renewable energy, and China's coal use (a major source of its air pollution problem) has already started to decline as a result.

As for your final comment, there is a lot more unblocked content on the Chinese internet than you might think (some western media give the impression that every single foreign site is blocked, which is most certainly not the case) and for sites that are blocked anyone with a lick of technical sense can easily and cheaply set up their own private server to completely bypass the 'Great Firewall', as I have.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2017, 2:28 AM
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If you want to move and live in arguably the best country in the world the least you could do is learn one of the languages.

As for the Chinese community, I find the overwhelming majority of Chinese make excellent citizens but these corrupt, money laundering, passport buying, and xenophobic recent arrivals have given the entire Chinese population in Vancouver an extremely bad name. These recent arrivals have undone decades of improving race/cultural relations.
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Chinese government =/= Chinese people. Individuals should not be treated poorly just because they come from a country whose government has objectionable policies.

While you do have a point that the Chinese government has some major issues, I would like to address a couple of points:

1. While Tibetans and Uighurs are certainly treated badly by the Chinese government (not entirely surprising, given the separatist element in both of these ethnic groups) there are plenty of ethnic and religious minorities who are not oppressed by the government. Eg. The Hui, a Muslim minority who are very well integrated into Chinese society.

2. Why blame China for the loss of manufacturing jobs? Why not blame western companies who voluntarily moved their factories to China to take advantage of low labour costs and lax environmental regulations? The Chinese didn't force these companies to move there. As far as pollution goes, yes, it's bad, but there is a major effort to clean it up - China is already the world's largest investor in renewable energy, and China's coal use (a major source of its air pollution problem) has already started to decline as a result.

As for your final comment, there is a lot more unblocked content on the Chinese internet than you might think (some western media give the impression that every single foreign site is blocked, which is most certainly not the case) and for sites that are blocked anyone with a lick of technical sense can easily and cheaply set up their own private server to completely bypass the 'Great Firewall', as I have.
Lately, there seems to be lots of bait and switch usage of the term Chinese as in people directly from China, versus Chinese Canadians (who after all, have inhabited Vancouver since the city's founding).

It's not as if people automatically jump to discussing say Russian- or Ukrainian-Canadians from say Alberta, when discussing the Russian-Ukrainian Crimea issue or current US-Russia relations under Trump's administration, after all. Or start asking Mennonite German Canadians what they think of Angela Merkel or something. So why should China and Chinese-Canadians be any different? If the issue is foreign investment, from China or otherwise, discuss the issue of foreign investment from there itself. One doesn't need to bring up whether Canadians of Chinese heritage who have lived in the city as any other Canadians did for generations have have anything to do with the corruption and the dictatorship of China itself or non-Canadian citizens from there. If there are crooks taking advantage of Canada, then those crooks directly need to be called out, regardless of race or ethnicity.
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