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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 12:04 AM
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"The QuadReal Property Group, a new company owned by bcIMC which consolidates "the assets and expertise of four seasoned players in the Canadian real estate investment and management industry", is proposing to tear down two shorter buildings at Commerce Court in the heart of Downtown Toronto, and replace them with a 64-storey tower the exact height of the nearby BMO Tower at First Canadian Place. The two buildings would share the title of Toronto's tallest office building."

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2017/12/...-court-3-tower








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I like it. Is the spire a bonus height, or is it included?
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1147' to top of spire
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It's a solid proposal, no doubt. I'd rather them to something interesting with the roof as opposed to topping it with a spire, but it doesn't ruin the design or anything.

Just to be clear, the architecturally non-descript Commerce Court East and South would be brought down for this, right?
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^ yes.

It's a little bulky for my taste, I would like to see it revised to thin out a little and maybe make it a few floors taller to compensate. I'm concerned about a "tabletop" skyline effect with this, FCP, Mirvish, and One Yonge all being within 10 metres in height of each other.


What is interesting about this one is that it sits in the only area in the city with no height limit under existing zoning. The only reason they are rezoning is because they exceed the maximum FSI permitted on the site.
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Love it. A solid if slightly unspectacular design but that height though... Would also love to see Brookfield Place III finally finished as well..
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^ yes.

It's a little bulky for my taste, I would like to see it revised to thin out a little and maybe make it a few floors taller to compensate. I'm concerned about a "tabletop" skyline effect with this, FCP, Mirvish, and One Yonge all being within 10 metres in height of each other.


What is interesting about this one is that it sits in the only area in the city with no height limit under existing zoning. The only reason they are rezoning is because they exceed the maximum FSI permitted on the site.
I think we need more bulkier towers in general, but Im also concerned about the skyline turning into a tabletop so Id rather have seen this built near Yonge and Bloor or University/Dundas.

In my opinion we have too many skinny proposals which, without stepbaks, will look like smokestacks and potentially cheapen the skyline (think 432 park avenue)
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^ yes.

It's a little bulky for my taste, I would like to see it revised to thin out a little and maybe make it a few floors taller to compensate. I'm concerned about a "tabletop" skyline effect with this, FCP, Mirvish, and One Yonge all being within 10 metres in height of each other.


What is interesting about this one is that it sits in the only area in the city with no height limit under existing zoning. The only reason they are rezoning is because they exceed the maximum FSI permitted on the site.
I quite agree. It's a bit like a person who normally wears a large trying to squeeze into a small. I've come to expect better from HR.
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I also agree it's a little bulky, along with other design features I don't like.
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Overall I like it, but why not just get rid of the spire altogether and make the roof height 350 metres?

Here is my drawing of the tower: http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=115015

Toronto diagram: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=79680859
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Overall I like it, but why not just get rid of the spire altogether and make the roof height 350 metres?
That would be an improvement simply because it would not look quite so rotund. Not that it is excessively so, but more than is appealing.
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The façade shares several features with Shenzhen's Ping An Finance Centre.
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I don't find it bulky at all. I feel that many towers in Toronto are too skinny, especially many of the twin condo towers. It's good to finally see some decent girth in a tower again.
I'm not a fan of the tacky spire stuck on top, and the whole antenna/spire height issue is a complete side topic that will never be agreed upon.
Overall this will be a great addition to the skyline.
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Would also love to see Brookfield Place III finally finished as well..
Ditto. Now that would be great for increasing the impact of that area on the skyline.
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