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Old Posted Jan 2, 2018, 12:50 AM
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Lethbridge just needs to reconfigure it's routes. All of Thunder Bay's routes are a butterfly shape, with a short very heavily travelled portion and two loops at either end that get low ridership as they wander around in suburbs. Because they run the routes like this, none of them can actually use short buses because the busy sections are too busy even for 40 foot buses. The route I live on continues to run two buses at a time during even rush hour. (Instead of a bus every 15 minutes, it's just two buses 3 minutes apart every 30 minutes.)

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That UBC thing is just weird.

I am not aware of any routes where different directions have different numbers. However there are a lot of routes. Might be something in the subburbs.
I think Saskatoon does that, their main route is numbered 1 when it's travelling east to west and 2 when it's travelling west to east, or something like that.
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Fredericton (what passes for a transit system here) does that too. Even numbered routes go south-to-north, odd numbers go north-to-south.
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Lethbridge just needs to reconfigure it's routes. All of Thunder Bay's routes are a butterfly shape, with a short very heavily travelled portion and two loops at either end that get low ridership as they wander around in suburbs. Because they run the routes like this, none of them can actually use short buses because the busy sections are too busy even for 40 foot buses. The route I live on continues to run two buses at a time during even rush hour. (Instead of a bus every 15 minutes, it's just two buses 3 minutes apart every 30 minutes.)



I think Saskatoon does that, their main route is numbered 1 when it's travelling east to west and 2 when it's travelling west to east, or something like that.
Saskatoon does the same number, just changes the name. There routes are structured as loops that start downtown, run out then turn around and come back.
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A typical bus stop in Shanghai


Numbers of all buses that stop at the stop at the top. Below these signs on the long vertical posters on the pole are the routes for all buses that stop at the stop, including the names of all stops along the route (Chinese only, so you have to be able to read Chinese to figure out what bus you need to take if you're not a local). These signs also indicate the time of the first and last bus at the stop. Audio announcements on the bus for each stop are made in Mandarin, English, and on some routes, Shanghainese.

Typical Metro station exterior.


Most station entrances have the Metro logo on a separate pole (lit at night) for easy identification. Signage at the entrance typically indicates all available lines at the station, as well as the exit number.

Typical Metro station signage.


All station signage is bilingual (English and Chinese). All transfers are clearly marked, including wall panelling that has the colour of the line. All platforms have the full system map, and ticketing level has maps that show the layout of the surrounding streets to make finding the correct exit easy. Announcements on the trains are in Mandarin and English, including an indication of transfers at the upcoming station (if any) and what side of the train the doors will open on. Platform level signage shows the route map as well as the next and previous station for the train to make it easy to figure out which direction the train is travelling. Platform screen doors have a coloured stripe that matches the colour of the line so it's obvious which line's platform you're on at a transfer station.
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St. John's offers very few bus shelters and even less information. Most stops are only marked by this sign:

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You get all your information from the app.
Nothing exceptional about our wayfinding here at the STO (I'll try to find some pics) but one thing is that our transit operator has just announced they're eliminating the free wi-fi that they were offering on all of their buses that use the Rapibus BRT corridor. They said it wasn't worth it for what it cost. They're maintaining the free wi-fi in all of the Rapibus stations on the BRT corridor though.
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So here is a typical Gatineau bus stop sign. Not horrible but not great either. Has a few challenges for people who don't understand French. And don't know what their colour scheme means.

Freeman is a park and ride station. De La Cité is a Rapibus BRT station.

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Fredericton (what passes for a transit system here) does that too. Even numbered routes go south-to-north, odd numbers go north-to-south.
Yeah, a few years back Freddy renumbered (sort've) their routes as noted above. Before that, they were the same route number with either North or South (N or S).

Signage is usually just a pole wrapper or a single simple sign with no route numbers on it. So you either need to know the routes or use the App to tell what bus is going by and when it goes by.

Luckily there is very little overlap (other than a few stretches along Prospect street), but still for tourists it isn't very useful at all.

All routes eventually make it to the 'station' (parking spots outside the downtown mall basically) at Kings Place downtown. The routes are designed to take about 30 minutes to go from Kings Place to the end, and then they reverse themselves. Service is hourly (half hourly during rush hours on Weekdays).

Basically, Fredericton Transit is designed to get people into downtown or out of downtown, with a passing acknowledgement of the University (2-3 routes go through the campus) and almost all the Southside routes will stop at Regent Mall (biggest mall in the city).

Tourist use is virtually nonexistent; and you can forget about later evening service or Sunday service.
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So here is a typical Gatineau bus stop sign. Not horrible but not great either. Has a few challenges for people who don't understand French. And don't know what their colour scheme means.

Freeman is a park and ride station. De La Cité is a Rapibus BRT station.

Obviously the red circled letters aren't there on the actual signs.
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Lethbridge just needs to reconfigure it's routes. All of Thunder Bay's routes are a butterfly shape, with a short very heavily travelled portion and two loops at either end that get low ridership as they wander around in suburbs. Because they run the routes like this, none of them can actually use short buses because the busy sections are too busy even for 40 foot buses. The route I live on continues to run two buses at a time during even rush hour. (Instead of a bus every 15 minutes, it's just two buses 3 minutes apart every 30 minutes.)
Supposedly there are big changes coming soon, as the long-overdue downtown transit terminal/parking structure is slated to begin construction this spring. I've heard rumours of new routes and a new branding, but no confirmation. Maps of the routes at the terminal would be nice idea, people are always asking drivers and other passengers just where a given bus goes.
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Gatineau's STO RapiBus station designs.




http://www.rapibus.sto.ca/index.php?id=249
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OK, so without doing any further research, my guess is:

(D) Purple means some kind of express route, or some kind of service that requires an additional fare.

Or maybe it's a bus that runs more frequently than every ten minutes and is part of the city's frequent transit network? But that can't be, because service only runs after 9am on weekdays, if I understand that correctly.

(H) Freeman is some connection to OC Transpo (Is there a Transitway station called "Freeman"?)

'de la Cite' means that the 67 bus connects with the Rapibus at a station named 'de la Cite'.

I'm not sure what the difference is between (C) and (E).
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Gatineau's STO RapiBus station designs.




http://www.rapibus.sto.ca/index.php?id=249
I can't find any pictures of it but the wayfinding, information and signage in the Rapibus stations themselves is actually pretty good.
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OK, so without doing any further research, my guess is:

(D) Purple means some kind of express route, or some kind of service that requires an additional fare.

Or maybe it's a bus that runs more frequently than every ten minutes and is part of the city's frequent transit network? But that can't be, because service only runs after 9am on weekdays, if I understand that correctly.

(H) Freeman is some connection to OC Transpo (Is there a Transitway station called "Freeman"?)

'de la Cite' means that the 67 bus connects with the Rapibus at a station named 'de la Cite'.

I'm not sure what the difference is between (C) and (E).
Close. The purple route is a peak-hour route only. We don't have premium fare express routes anymore. Black routes are all day regular routes.

Freeman is a park and ride station. It's in Gatineau on Chemin Freeman.

De La Cité is a Rapibus station. This route goes there.
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