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Old Posted Jan 2, 2018, 3:00 PM
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Columbus finished 2017 with a record 143 homicides. 111 of those victims were black, in a city that is 28 percent black. Something needs to be done.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/2018010...micide-numbers
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2018, 6:00 PM
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chicago year end totals:


total homicides:

2016: 808
2017: 675

down 16.5%




total people shot (wounded & killed):

2016: 4,380
2017: 3,561

down 18.7%



The vast bulk of those drops occurred in the 2nd half of the year so let's hope that can continue on into the new year. If chicago can get under 600 for 2018, then we'll be within striking distance of the more normal homicide rates we had prior to 2016's utterly insane spike.
Are those from the heyjackass site? Their numbers are always higher than the comparable and official numbers since the site has a slant to get the number of murder stats as high as they can.

for the official numbers:
2017: 650
2016: 771
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2018, 6:09 PM
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Are those from the heyjackass site? Their numbers are always higher than the comparable and official numbers since the site has a slant to get the number of murder stats as high as they can.

for the official numbers:
2017: 650
2016: 771
hey jackass includes shootings/murders on city expressways that CPD does not for some reason.
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2018, 8:30 PM
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Columbus finished 2017 with a record 143 homicides. 111 of those victims were black, in a city that is 28 percent black.
that is very similar to the situation in chicago. the racial imbalance in homicide rates in the windy city is STAGGERING.


79% of murder vicitms (533) were black. blacks make up 29% of the city. 2017 rate: ~67 murders per 100K.

18% of murder victims (122) were latino. latinos make up 30% of the city. 2017 rate: ~15 murders per 100K.

3% of murder victims (20) were white/asian/other. this group makes up 41% of the city. 2017 rate: ~2 murders per 100K.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2018, 8:08 AM
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So, I thought the 2009 per capita rate was a bit off, mostly because the estimates for the city population that year were too high. As it turns out the per-capita rate for Detroit was also the lowest in decades.

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Detroit homicides drop 12.5% in 2017 to lowest rate in decades, data show

The number of murder and other criminal homicide cases in Detroit dropped 12.5% in 2017, according to preliminary data released this week by the Detroit Police Department that put the number at 267 for the year.

That’s down from 305 in 2016, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said.

If the preliminary statistic for 2017 holds, it puts the city's homicide rate at 39.7 per 100,000 residents, Detroit's lowest rate in nearly four decades, data analyzed by the Free Press show.

In 1979, the homicide rate for the city was 36.5 per 100,000 people. At that time, there were 1.2 million people in Detroit compared with 672,795 in 2016, which is the latest population data available.
Article includes some interesting graphcs on raw numbers and per capita homicides. The rate is still far, far too high, but it looks like this year will contribute to the downward trend for the city.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2018, 3:57 PM
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So for Sweden it is not official but judging from what media has reported the city breakdown is as following.

Stockholm Metro Area (pop 2.2 mil): 45 confirmed (rate 2.0)
Gothenburg Urban Area (570.000): 11 (1.9)
Malmö (328.000): 12 (3.6)

Anybody know about the rates of other European cities 2017?
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1 dead - UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say - 1/3

2018 Austin Metro Murders

| Austin 0 | Travis Co. 0 | Bastrop Co. 0 | Caldwell Co. 0 | Hays Co. 0 | Williamson Co. 1 | Metro 1 |

Causes metrowide:
Shooting - 1
Stabbing - 0
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 0
Vehicular - 0
Blunt force trauma - 0
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 0

Austin totals:
Downtown - 0
Central Austin - 0
East Austin - 0
North Austin - 0
Northeast Austin - 0
Northwest Austin - 0
South Austin - 0
Southeast Austin - 0
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 0

Victims
Male - 0
Female - 1
Unlisted - 0

| Jan 1 | Feb 0 | Mar 0 | Apr 0 | May 0 | Jun 0 | Jul 0 | Aug 0 | Sep 0 | Oct 0 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 0 | Tue 0 | Wed 1 | Thur 0 | Fri 0 | Sat 0 | Sun 0 |

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Austin Metro Murder cases
Pending cases

Code:
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Austin area population

City: 947,890 (July 1, 2016 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,199,323 (July 1, 2016 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,056,405 (July 1, 2016 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

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Previous years

2017 - 23
2016 - 39
2015 - 19
2014 - 31
2013 - 25
2012 - 32
2011 - 28
2010 - 31
2009 - 23
2008 - 24
2007 - 30

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1/3/2017 - | Austin 0 | Travis Co. 0 | Bastrop Co. 0 | Caldwell Co. 0 | Hays Co. 0 | Williamson Co. 0 | Metro 0 |




1/3/2018 - | Austin 0 | Travis Co. 0 | Bastrop Co. 0 | Caldwell Co. 0 | Hays Co. 0 | Williamson Co. 1 | Metro 1 |
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2018, 9:12 PM
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So for Sweden it is not official but judging from what media has reported the city breakdown is as following.

Stockholm Metro Area (pop 2.2 mil): 45 confirmed (rate 2.0)
Gothenburg Urban Area (570.000): 11 (1.9)
Malmö (328.000): 12 (3.6)
I'm surprised at how Sweden's cities are not that much different from Canadian ones and basically cover the same range of rates across their big cities (1-3 per 100, 000).

I'd expect Canada's to be higher than Sweden's (though Canada's is less than the US, by far Scandinavia's got a reputation for having a larger safety net, more welfare and less inequality than either), plus Canada being close to the US has more of an issue with access to guns brought over than Scandinavia would, right?
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that is very similar to the situation in chicago. the racial imbalance in homicide rates in the windy city is STAGGERING.


79% of murder vicitms (533) were black. blacks make up 29% of the city. 2017 rate: ~67 murders per 100K.

18% of murder victims (122) were latino. latinos make up 30% of the city. 2017 rate: ~15 murders per 100K.

3% of murder victims (20) were white/asian/other. this group makes up 41% of the city. 2017 rate: ~2 murders per 100K.
Not suprising. Most killings are interracial. Blacks in Chicago kill the most, therefore most victims are black.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2018, 10:18 PM
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Anybody know about the rates of other European cities 2017?
The "Comunidad de Madrid" (population 6,467,000) had 35 murders last year, according to El Pais:

Las muertes por violencia machista en la región se triplican en 2017

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Si en 2016 murieron de manera violenta 39 personas, en 2017 la cifra llegó a 35, según los datos recopilados por este periódico.
So that's a rate of 0.54 for the Madrid region.
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Not suprising. Most killings are interracial. Blacks in Chicago kill the most, therefore most victims are black.
Chicago has about one million blacks. Greater London, UK has also about one million blacks.

Chicago is about 33% or one third black.
Murder rate, upper 20s-30s per 100, 000 or so most of the past few years.

Greater London, UK is about 15% black (so about half proportionally as much as Chicago).
Murder rate, 1 out of 100, 000 or so most of the past few years.

Of course, the two are obviously an apples-to-oranges comparison, but the history of race, socio-economic conditions, and crime is obviously very complicated.
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Chicago has about one million blacks.
Chicago is about 33% or one third black.
old stats.

the black population is plummeting in chicago right now due to black flight.

2016 ACS pegged chicago's black population at 793,000, roughly 29% of the city, and falling.

meanwhile, asian, latino, and white populations are all on the rise in the city, but the massive black exodus means that the city's overall population growth is still negative.
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meanwhile, latino, asian, and white populations are all on the rise in the city, but the massive black exodus means that the city's overall population situation is still negative.
Are the Latino and Asian populations in Chicago still growing through immigration or transplants from elsewhere? Hasn't the Mexican immigration wave in Chicago peaked (it's mostly the kids of immigrants, not the immigrants themselves now)? White Chicagoans, I assume who are newly arriving, are probably transplants from elsewhere, since the last wave of immigration from Eastern Europe (the post Soviet Union collapse wave of the 90s) was long over.
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^ I have no info regarding the specifics of the growth of asians, latinos, and whites in chicago.

All the ACS says is that those groups are modestly growing while the black population is dropping like a rock, offsetting the gains in those other groups.
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The "Comunidad de Madrid" (population 6,467,000) had 35 murders last year, according to El Pais:

Las muertes por violencia machista en la región se triplican en 2017



So that's a rate of 0.54 for the Madrid region.
The term "violencia machista" means violence toward females by males.

eta: but I see now that the figure of 35 is indeed the total number of murders, not just of females.
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hey jackass includes shootings/murders on city expressways that CPD does not for some reason.
I think the main difference is that Heyjackass includes 23 killings that were justified police killings or self defense killings, stats that aren't included in official FBI or comparison stats between cities.

that's the main difference between the 650 and 675.
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I think the main difference is that Heyjackass includes 23 killings that were justified police killings or self defense killings, stats that aren't included in official FBI or comparison stats between cities.

that's the main difference between the 650 and 675.
Yeah, those are not considered murders for statistical crime purposes anywhere.
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^ well however you want to slice and dice the numbers (CPD's 771 down to 650 or heyjackass's 808 down to 675), chicago saw a ~16% decrease in murders last year, and that's what is important.

and considering the bulk of that drop came in the latter half of the year, it's promising for 2018 if that positive momentum can be maintained.
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This article puts Phoenix at 152 through Dec. 15. I count 7 more through the end of the year for a total of 159 homicides in 2017. Of those, 6 were classified manslaughter/negligent homicide, 3 were justified homicides, and 11 have yet to be classified. So depending on who's counting, looking at between 139 and 159 murders in the year.

This is an increase from 146 total homicides in 2016, and a drastic uptick from the long-time low of 113 in 2015. As recently as 2007, Phoenix was topping 200 homicides per year, so still below that. Based on 2016 population estimates, this puts Phoenix at 9.8 homicides per 100,000.
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Homicides in Austin fell 25 percent in 2017

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7:17 p.m Wednesday, Jan. 3, 2018

After Austin saw a significant spike in homicides in 2016, the number of people who died at the hands of others fell by roughly 25 percent from 39 to 29 in 2017, bringing the toll more in line with the figure that Austin police leaders would expect to see.
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