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Old Posted Mar 3, 2018, 3:39 PM
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I should not do long term speculation. For the foreseeable future we will see 2 trunk airlines with major hubs at ORD. I am sure they don't like having more competition, and adding the extra gates will do that. But for the airport to remain competitive this had to happen. Now ORD can go after ATL for passenger deplaning's and landings. ORD also needs to get those cargo stats back up to where they belong.

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Don't remember seeing these details in the local papers. Leave it to a Dallas paper to get the details I guess.........
Interesting article though it is actually from Chicago Tribune wires. Best coverage should be local, but will be interesting to see national business press and aviation trade commentary on the plans and how they unfold
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Someone from Airliners.net compiled this run-down of Summer 2018 international service by carrier, destination, and aircraft type for ORD. I always find this interesting so thought I'd relay it here.

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Brief overview of changes:

Five new carriers: Bahamasair, Ethiopian Airlines, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Viva Aerobus, and WOW Air

Five new markets: Huatulco, Venice, Addis Ababa, Budapest, Ixtapa (resumption)

One discontinued carrier: AirBerlin (liquidated)

Three discontinued markets: Dusseldorf (AB, announced but never launched), Berlin (AirBerlin), and Shannon (United)


Aer Lingus

International Terminal 5

DUBLIN (DUB) – 14 weekly – Airbus A330-300 (7x), Airbus A330-200 (7x)



AeroMexico

International Terminal 5

GUADALAJARA (GDL) – 13 weekly – Boeing 737-800

MEXICO CITY (MEX) – 21 weekly – Boeing 737-800 w/ Scimitar Winglets



Air Canada

Terminal 2

MONTRÉAL (YUL) – 35 weekly – Embraer RJ175 – Operated by Sky Regional/AC Express

TORONTO (YYZ) – 56 weekly – Embraer RJ190

VANCOUVER (YVR) – 14 weekly – CRJ-900 – Operated by Jazz Aviation



Air France

International Terminal 5

PARIS (CDG) – 7 weekly – Airbus A330-200



Air India

<i>International Terminal 5</i>

DELHI (DEL) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Alitalia

International Terminal 5

ROME (FCO) – 7 weekly – Airbus A330-200



All Nippon Airways

Arrivals: International Terminal 5; Departures: Terminal 1

TOKYO (HND) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER

TOKYO (NRT) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



American Airlines

Arrivals: International Terminal 5 (excluding Preclearance airports), Departures &amp; Preclearance arrivals: Terminal 3

BARCELONA (BCN) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

BEIJING (PEK) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

CANCÚN (CUN) – 14 weekly – Boeing 737-800

DUBLIN (DUB) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

GUATEMALA CITY (GUA) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

LONDON (LHR) – 28 weekly – Boeing 787-8

MANCHESTER (MAN) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

MONTEGO BAY (MBJ) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

PARIS (CDG) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

PUNTA CANA (PUJ) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

ROME (FCO) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

SAN JOSÉ DEL CABO (SJD) – 2 weekly – Boeing 737-800

SHANGHAI (PVG) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

TOKYO (NRT) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8

VANCOUVER (YVR) – 7 weekly – Boeing 737-800



American Airlines Operated by Envoy

[i]Terminal 3[/]

CALGARY (YYC) – 7 weekly – Embraer 175

TORONTO (YYZ) – 21 weekly – Embraer 175

TORONTO (YYZ) – 7 weekly – Embraer RJ145



American Airlines Operated by Skywest

Terminal 3

MONTRÉAL (YUL) – 14 weekly – Canadair CRJ-200

TORONTO (YYZ) – 14 weekly – Canadair CRJ-700



Asiana Airlines

International Terminal 5

SEOUL (ICN) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-200LR



Austrian Airlines

International Terminal 5

VIENNA (VIE) – 7 weekly – Boeing 767-300ER (4x), Boeing 777-200ER (3x)



Avianca El Salvador

International Terminal 5

SAN SALVADOR (SAL) – 3 weekly – Airbus A319



Bahamasair

International Terminal 5

NASSAU (NAS) – 2 weekly – Boeing 737-500



British Airways

International Terminal 5

LONDON (LHR) – 14 weekly – Airbus A380-800 (7x) Boeing 747-400 (7x)



Cathay Pacific

International Terminal 5

HONG KONG (HKG) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Cayman Airways

International Terminal 5

GRAND CAYMAN (GCM) – 2 weekly – Boeing 737-300



China Eastern

International Terminal 5

SHANGHAI (PVG) – 5 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Copa Airlines

International Terminal 5

PANAMA CITY (PTY) – 18 weekly – Boeing 737-800



Emirates

International Terminal 5

DUBAI(DXB) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Ethiopian Airlines

International Terminal 5

ADDIS ABABA (ADD) – 3 weekly – Boeing 787-8*

*operates via DUBLIN on westbound ADD-ORD sector as a technical stop



Etihad Airways

International Terminal 5

ABU DHABI (AUH) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Finnair

International Terminal 5

HELSINKI (HEL) – 7 weekly – Airbus A330-300



EVA Air

International Terminal 5

TAIPEI (TPE) – 5 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Frontier

Arrivals: International Terminal 5; Departures: Terminal 3

CANCÚN (CUN) – 7 weekly – Airbus A321

PUNTA CANA (PUJ) – 7 weekly –Airbus A320



Hainan

International Terminal 5

BEIJING (PEK) – 4 weekly – Boeing 787-9



Iberia

Arrivals: International Terminal 5; Departures: Terminal 3

MADRID (MAD) – 7 weekly – Airbus A340-600



Icelandair

International Terminal 5

REYKJAVIK (KEF) – 12 weekly –Boeing 757-200



Interjet

International Terminal 5

GUADALAJARA (GDL) – 7 weekly – Airbus A320 (5x), Airbus A321 (2x)

MEXICO CITY (MEX) – 14 weekly – Airbus A320 (7x), Airbus A321 (7x)



Japan Airlines

<i>Arrivals: International Terminal 5; Departures: Terminal 3</i>

TOKYO (NRT) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



KLM Royal Dutch Airlines

International Terminal 5

AMSTERDAM (AMS) – 7 weekly – Boeing 747-COMBI (5x), 747-400 (2x)



Korean Air

International Terminal 5

SEOUL (ICN) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



LOT Polish Airlines

International Terminal 5

BUDAPEST (BUD) – 2 weekly –Boeing 787-8

KRAKOW (KRK) – 2 weekly –Boeing 787-8

WARSAW (WAW) – 11 weekly –Boeing 787-8 (4x), Boeing 787-9 (7x)



Lufthansa

<i>Arrivals: International Terminal 5; Departures: Terminal 1</i>

FRANKFURT (FRA) – 14 weekly –Boeing 747-8I

MUNICH (MUC) – 10 weekly –Airbus A350-900XWB (7x), Airbus A330-300 (3x)



Norwegian Air Shuttle

<i>International Terminal 5</i>

LONDON GATWICK (LGW) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-9



Qatar Airways

International Terminal 5

DOHA (DOH) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



Royal Jordanian

International Terminal 5

AMMAN (AMM) – 7 weekly – Boeing 787-8



Scandinavian Airlines

International Terminal 5

COPENHAGEN (CPH) – 7 weekly –Airbus A340-300

STOCKHOLM (ARN) – 7 weekly –Airbus A330-300



SWISS International Airlines

International Terminal 5

ZURICH (ZRH) – 12 weekly – Airbus A330-300 (6x), Boeing 777-300ER (6x)



Turkish Airlines

International Terminal 5

ISTANBUL (IST) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-300ER



United Airlines

Arrivals: International Terminal 5 (excluding Preclearance airports), Departures &amp; Preclearance arrivals: Terminal 1

AMSTERDAM (AMS) – 7 weekly – Boeing 767-300ER

ARUBA (AUA) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-900ER

BEIJING (PEK) –7 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

BRUSSELS (BRU) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

CALGARY (YYC) – 7 weekly – Airbus A320

CANCÚN (CUN) – 15 weekly – 737-900ER

DUBLIN (DUB) – 7 weekly – Boeing 757-200

EDINBURGH (EDI) – 7 weekly – Boeing 757-200

FRANKFURT AM MAIN (FRA) – 14 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

GRAND CAYMAN (GCM) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

HONG KONG (HKG) – 7 weekly– Boeing 777-200ER

LONDON (LHR) – 21 weekly – Boeing 767-300ER

LIBERIA (LIR) – 2 weekly – Boeing 737-800

MONTEGO BAY (MBJ) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

MEXICO CITY (MEX) – 13 weekly – Airbus A320

MUNICH (MUC) – Daily – Boeing 777-200ER

NASSAU (NAS) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

PARIS (CDG) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

PUERTO VALLARTA (PVR) –1 weekly –Boeing 737-800

PUNTA CANA (PUJ) – 7 weekly – Boeing 737-800

ROME (FCO) – 7 weekly – Boeing 767-300ER

SAN JOSÉ DEL CABO (SJD) – 1 weekly – Boeing 737-800

SÃO PAULO (GRU) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

SHANGHAI (PVG) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

TOKYO (NRT) – 7 weekly – Boeing 777-200ER

TORONTO –24 weekly – Airbus A320 (18x), Boeing 737-900ER (6x)

VANCOUVER (YVR) – 28 weekly – Airbus A320 (7x), Boeing 737-800 (21x)



United Airlines Operated by SkyWest

Arrivals: International Terminal 5 (excluding Preclearance airports), Departures &amp; Preclearance arrivals: Terminal 1

CALGARY – 13 weekly – Embraer 175

MONTERREY –14 weekly – Embraer 175

OTTAWA –12 weekly – Canadair Regional Jet 200

WINNEPEG –6 weekly – Canadair Regional Jet 200



United Airlines Operated by ExpressJet

Arrivals: International Terminal 5 (excluding Preclearance airports), Departures &amp; Preclearance arrivals: Terminal 1

MONTREAL–21 weekly – Embraer 145

QUEBEC CITY –7 weekly – Embraer 145

OTTAWA –7 weekly – Embraer 145

WINNEPEG –7 weekly – Canadair Regional Jet 200 (7x)



United Airlines Operated by GoJet

Arrivals: International Terminal 5 (excluding Preclearance airports), Departures &amp; Preclearance arrivals: Terminal 1

TORONTO –20 weekly – Canadair Regional Jet 700



Viva Aerobus

International Terminal 5

CANCUN (CUN) – 1 weekly – Airbus A320



Volaris

International Terminal 5

GUADALAJARA (GDL) – 2 weekly – Airbus A320

HUATULCO (HUX) – 1 weekly – Airbus A320

IXTAPA/ZIHUATANEJO –1 weekly – Airbus A320

MEXICO CITY – 7 weekly – Airbus A320

MONTERREY –2 weekly – Airbus A320



WestJet

Terminal 5

CALGARY (YYC) – 6 weekly – 737-600 (2x), 737-700 (2x), 737-800 (2x)



WOW Air

International Terminal 5

REYKJAVIK (KEF) – 7 weekly – Airbus A321
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Which airlines is flying direct to Venice? Is it Venice, Italy?
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American Airlines and yes, Venice, Italy.
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Like that international chart Kngkyle.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised because time flies but the 787 is much more prevalent in international routes then I would have expected. I'm rather wowed that the 787 is being used on all AA's trans-continental routes
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That listing makes American's network look more impressive than it actually is. Of all their flights to Europe, only 1 is actually year around - London. All of the rest - Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin, Venice, Rome, Manchester, Barcelona - are all seasonal summer service. AA has really given up on ORD-Europe for business travelers and now caters primarily to seasonal tourism traffic. UA on the other hand flies bigger planes (albeit older) to many more year-round destinations. And their joint venture partner, Lufthansa, is considerably bigger at ORD than AA's joint venture partner, British Airways.

UA and Star Alliance have really pulled away from AA when it comes to international service at ORD. It's little wonder why the city sided with UA over AA in the gate dispute. (among other reasons)
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That listing makes American's network look more impressive than it actually is. Of all their flights to Europe, only 1 is actually year around - London. All of the rest - Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin, Venice, Rome, Manchester, Barcelona - are all seasonal summer service. AA has really given up on ORD-Europe for business travelers and now caters primarily to seasonal tourism traffic. UA on the other hand flies bigger planes (albeit older) to many more year-round destinations. And their joint venture partner, Lufthansa, is considerably bigger at ORD than AA's joint venture partner, British Airways.

UA and Star Alliance have really pulled away from AA when it comes to international service at ORD. It's little wonder why the city sided with UA over AA in the gate dispute. (among other reasons)
I believe that Philadelphia is currently AA's largest European gateway with 9 year around destinations and 9 seasonal European destinations.
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That listing makes American's network look more impressive than it actually is. Of all their flights to Europe, only 1 is actually year around - London. All of the rest - Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin, Venice, Rome, Manchester, Barcelona - are all seasonal summer service. AA has really given up on ORD-Europe for business travelers and now caters primarily to seasonal tourism traffic. UA on the other hand flies bigger planes (albeit older) to many more year-round destinations. And their joint venture partner, Lufthansa, is considerably bigger at ORD than AA's joint venture partner, British Airways.

UA and Star Alliance have really pulled away from AA when it comes to international service at ORD. It's little wonder why the city sided with UA over AA in the gate dispute. (among other reasons)
Yes, it's a no brainer. UA has kept up and expanded international routes while AA cut routes totally or went seasonal. When looking at which airline is more important to the city at ORD it's no contest. As a lifelong AA flyer I've found myself defecting to UA more and more as my tolerance for connecting has declined.
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Crains has a few more details today about the expansion project.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...whats-in-store

The satellite concourses will be connected by underground tunnel (likely with moving walkways) and this will include a space for two future train tracks. The tunnel will not extend to the west side of the airport, nor will the city even contemplate purchasing a train system for the tunnels until passenger numbers top 100 million for 3 consecutive years.

The article also made no mention of other landside improvements to ease the tremendous congestion on I-190 and the arrival/departure roadways. In fact this expansion will only further concentrate traffic on the T2 section of the ring. The only good news for landside is the soon-to-open CONRAC, which will at least remove most rental shuttles from the arrivals level (the lost opportunity to connect to Metra at the CONRAC is insane to me also)
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American and United are now lobbying their employees to oppose/support the O'Hare expansion plan.

American: http://keepordcompetitive.com/
United: https://hub.united.com/united-facts-...544036126.html

United is talking big about their history, local workforce, and community:

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Chicago has been our hometown for nearly 80 years and we have a long, proud history here. It is home to our global corporate and operational headquarters, commanding one of the city's largest real estate footprints. We are among the city's largest private employers, and more than 15,000 local employees and their families live, work and play here.

O'Hare is United's largest hub, and all 88,000 of our employees worldwide support the O'Hare expansion agreement. It reflects our commitment to our employees, customers and the City of Chicago and its residents. It also underscores our belief that connecting people and engaging local communities makes a difference. We thank you for championing this bold expansion plan.

We strive to be a distinguished and dependable citizen. Chicago is where we support dozens of vital community organizations – from the Adler Planetarium and After School Matters to Year UP and Youth Guidance – and to which we gave over $3.3 million in 2017. It explains why, among other endeavors, we flew 22 Chicago Fire Department members last year to Puerto Rico to provide needed supplies and equipment after Hurricanes Irma and Maria. Most of the fire personnel had personal ties to family and friends there.

We also actively assist with significant civic initiatives to further enhance our city and its growing reputation as the country's relocation magnet for business, achieving the distinction as the nation's No. 1 city for corporate growth for the fifth consecutive year.

The current O'Hare expansion plan promises to underline our slogan, Chicago: Second to None. And it will help guarantee that your hometown airline will prosper and bring more quality jobs and economic activity to our city.
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American and United are now lobbying their employees to oppose/support the O'Hare expansion plan.

American: http://keepordcompetitive.com/
United: https://hub.united.com/united-facts-...544036126.html

United is talking big about their history, local workforce, and community:
From United, Chicago is 2nd to none... No new aircraft placed at ORD (77Ws and 787s), seat reduction on key int'l markets (744s to 77ERs) barely any new international service started. Seems like Chicago is 3rd to San Francisco and Newark...
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I hear delta is looking for a new hub...
Do you have a source of this? Where did you hear this? Who told you?
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Do you have a source of this? Where did you hear this? Who told you?
I think they're just referring to the whole situation in Georgia and the republicans in the state overturning tax legislation for the airline because Delta took away the NRA discount which only 13 people has apparently actually used.

Delta hasn't actually stated they want new digs anywhere.
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From United, Chicago is 2nd to none... No new aircraft placed at ORD (77Ws and 787s), seat reduction on key int'l markets (744s to 77ERs) barely any new international service started. Seems like Chicago is 3rd to San Francisco and Newark...
This is a confusing sentence because it's not clear whether you're being sarcastic or whether you don't know what the phrase "second to none" means. "Second to none" meaning, of course, that the subject is the clear leader or winner, with no competitor even in partial consideration for first place.

Also, my understanding is that United is simply not using 747s at all anymore, in any market. Despite the fact that, in theory, the longest 747 can carry over 800 passengers in some configurations, in practice the 777 class is often configured with more seating than many 747s anyway, as well as more cargo room. But more importantly the operating costs of the 2-engine 777 class is significantly less than the four-engine 747 class something on the order of 1/3 of a cent per seat, per mile cheaper, which amounts to savings of about $6,000 for trans-Pacific flights carrying 450 passengers. I don't know how many trans-Pacific flights United offers daily, system-wide, but say they have 20 flights a day with 450 passengers counting all flights in either direction, with $6,000 per trip savings, over a year that amounts to savings of nearly $44 million. United listed their 747-400 plane with 374 seats while their 77W lists a capacity of 366 seats, a net loss of only 8 seats. Granted, the 77W doesn't have any true First Class seats, but one has to wonder how many First Class seats United was actually selling, versus using for upgrades. First Class seats, despite their huge trans-oceanic list price, can operate at a loss if they're mostly used as upgrades and not actually being sold at face value.
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Tribune is reporting that Emanuel and American Airlines have reached a deal for the OHare expansion. The city will speed up the construction of 3 gates that American will use.

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Tribune is reporting that Emanuel and American Airlines have reached a deal for the OHare expansion. The city will speed up the construction of 3 gates that American will use.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...314-story.html
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Great news! Sounds like the whole thing was really a minor thing. Speed up the construction of something already agreed to?

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^ yeah, it sounds like the whole opposition ploy was just posturing by AA to make sure they got theirs.

i'm glad all parties were able to get it worked out fairly quickly.
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