Surrey/South Fraser Updates - Page 111

Sheba · #**2201** Posted **Mar 12, 2018, 11:26 PM**

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How has the rest of Surrey changed since that time, infrastructure wise, culturally, socially?

I mostly knew a chunk of North Delta as that was 'my hood' - and physically very little has changed. North Delta was a bedroom community and seems content to be so. I haven't been back to see cultural or social changes to the area.

Thankfully the Surrey side of Scott Road has changed. Some will complain that it's endless strip malls but that's an improvement (esp south of 80th) as it brings more retail to the area. There are limited bus routes in the area and practically all are north / south so it's hardly surprising to see surface parking. I could do a large rant on SoF bus routes...

My impressions of Surrey (most of which I didn't know as well). The suburban areas don't seem to be very different than they used to be. Surrey Place and Guildford were the places to go so it's not surprising that growth is mostly being concentrated there. King George and Scott Road are also getting some redevelopment action, although obviously not as much at the new Surrey Central downtown area. Old school views like this are slowly being replaced with views more like what you see to the right at The Hub. It gives me hope for downtown Surrey.

EhJay · #**2202** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 3:18 AM**

North Delta is in the process of revamping Scott Road with retail and residental above it. Eventually they also envision and LRT line running down Scott road (to 72nd?).

Sheba · #**2203** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 3:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by EhJay

North Delta is in the process of revamping Scott Road with retail and residental above it. Eventually they also envision and LRT line running down Scott road (to 72nd?).

Ah but only Scott Road will be revamped.

Any 'rail' type project would likely end at the bus loop, which is at approx 74th - but I could see them wanting to continue down to 64th (same with King George). Where would a Scott Road Line go (north) after 96th - do they think it will handle Scott Road hill? Honestly I think this route is better off with a B Line eventually upgraded to BRT.

Firebrand · #**2204** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 5:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

Ah but only Scott Road will be revamped.

Any 'rail' type project would likely end at the bus loop, which is at approx 74th - but I could see them wanting to continue down to 64th (same with King George). Where would a Scott Road Line go (north) after 96th - do they think it will handle Scott Road hill? Honestly I think this route is better off with a B Line eventually upgraded to BRT.

It makes more sense to put a B-Line along Scott Rd. I’ve never been on the 319 myself, but I’ve talked to bus drivers who said that the 319 rivals that of Vancouver buses—especially in rush hour—in terms of overcrowding. They should’ve put the Scott Rd B-Line first before the 96.

Personally, I don’t think a streetcar will fit well in a miniature skyscraper forest (being at-grade and all); a bus will do a job just fine for now. For some reason, Fraser Valley mayors—especially Hepner—have some sort of fetish for LRT.

Sheba · #**2205** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 6:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

It makes more sense to put a B-Line along Scott Rd. I’ve never been on the 319 myself, but I’ve talked to bus drivers who said that the 319 rivals that of Vancouver buses—especially in rush hour—in terms of overcrowding. They should’ve put the Scott Rd B-Line first before the 96.

Personally, I don’t think a streetcar will fit well in a miniature skyscraper forest (being at-grade and all); a bus will do a job just fine for now. For some reason, Fraser Valley mayors—especially Hepner—have some sort of fetish for LRT.

I think you mean South of Fraser (SoF) - the Fraser Valley is beyond Langley and Maple Ridge.

...and yes they have a fetish for LRT because it's rail so therefore it's sexy or something (unlike a bus).

Firebrand · #**2206** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 6:33 AM**

But if rail is... wait, that topic goes to the Surrey LRT thread.

I haven’t been to Scott Rd for a long time now. I used to go to Strawberry Hill with a friend, who lives near that area, for movie nights. Last time I remember it was all strip malls and SFHs. What’s changed since then?

Also, since when Delta decided to put a highrise dead centre of suburbia? It’s just out of place based on that location.

Sheba · #**2207** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 7:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

But if rail is... wait, that topic goes to the Surrey LRT thread.

I haven’t been to Scott Rd for a long time now. I used to go to Strawberry Hill with a friend, who lives near that area, for movie nights. Last time I remember it was all strip malls and SFHs. What’s changed since then?

Also, since when Delta decided to put a highrise dead centre of suburbia? It’s just out of place based on that location.

I suspect I'm remembering an earlier Scott Road than you are. I would have ridden the run between 96th (the old Scott Road hill was brutal) and 72nd (when the bus loop was around the mall). The north / 96th end was mostly groundscraping retail, while the southern half tended towards malls (that still exist) and tiny houses like this. There were limited small strip malls at that end.

Almost all of the buildings were one, maybe two storeys - you could count the number of taller buildings on one hand (the three storey medical building at 80th was one of them). On the Surrey side just about everything south of that tiny house to down past 72nd didn't exist then - it was tiny houses or fields for the most part.

Retail with a couple floors of residential above (like at 75A) didn't exist. That is a massive increase in density compared to what was there before. I'm willing to see what they have planned for Scott Road before passing judgment.

Firebrand · #**2208** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 2:48 PM**

I’ve been living in Langley for almost three years now. The suburban mindset has unfortunately crept into my head, so any tower proposed in a suburb would be an eyesore to me. Langley is one of the few cities in Metro Van with no highrises being proposed (the others being Poco, Pitt Meadows, and Maple Ridge).

Not that there’s anything wrong with having highrise development, it’s just that Langley is full of NIMBYs that don’t want any highrises within their city. Good for Delta for allowing highrise development on Scott Rd.

Vin · #**2209** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 4:44 PM**

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I’ve been living in Langley for almost three years now. The suburban mindset has unfortunately crept into my head, so any tower proposed in a suburb would be an eyesore to me. Langley is one of the few cities in Metro Van with no highrises being proposed (the others being Poco, Pitt Meadows, and Maple Ridge).

Not that there’s anything wrong with having highrise development, it’s just that Langley is full of NIMBYs that don’t want any highrises within their city. Good for Delta for allowing highrise development on Scott Rd.

Perspectives change once the towers are built. You don't think the towers in Metrotown, Brentwood, Surrey Central, Coquitlam Centre, etc, are eye sores, do you? They are essentially suburbs of Vancouver, and once upon a time, depending on how far back you go, had no towers: just like Langley today.

North Delta has a single tall tower sticking up like a sore thumb now at Scott Road. A few more will make the area look better.

Reecemartin · #**2210** Posted **Mar 13, 2018, 4:56 PM**

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paulsparrow · #**2212** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 4:31 PM**

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Surrey to Say Goodbye to Newton Bingo Hall Soon

Surrey is to bid farewell to the Newton Community Gaming Centre. According to several reports the Hall will be closed after April, 21 this year. Apparently, Gateway’s Casino Proposal is getting mixed emotions from the locals.Read More

Yes this is becoming part of the new casino in Delta slated to be at #99 and 17a. Dianne Watts squashed the idea of another Casino in Surrey so Delta was the last city awarded one.

Firebrand · #**2213** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 8:08 PM**

I wonder why is Surrey is closing its casinos and not building new ones?

Shift · #**2214** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 8:47 PM**

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I wonder why is Surrey is closing its casinos and not building new ones?

The City of Surrey is not in the Casino business.

The private sector proposes and builds Casinos.

Reecemartin · #**2215** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 4:04 AM**

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osirisboy · #**2216** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 4:16 AM**

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The City of Surrey is not in the Casino business.

The private sector proposes and builds Casinos.

The private sector can't build them in a city that doesn't want them though I think was the point. I'm fairly certain if surrey allowed casinos there would be a number of casinos ready to build one lol

Shift · #**2217** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 4:14 PM**

I wasn't aware the City of Surrey doesn't want casinos? Where does it say they aren't allowed?

There is one in Cloverdale - Elements Casino

paradigm4 · #**2218** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 5:13 PM**

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I wasn't aware the City of Surrey doesn't want casinos? Where does it say they aren't allowed?

There is one in Cloverdale - Elements Casino

They have a policy to not support the expansion of gambling in the City. Fraser Downs was a compromise as it was needed to save horse racing and it was supposed to be a larger "regional" facility.

EhJay · #**2219** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 9:54 PM**

This is true. Edgewater was supposed to be redeveloped to a huge casino in South Surrey, but council shot it down.Even Element casino they have kaboshed any addition in tables.

Firebrand · #**2220** Posted **Mar 18, 2018, 7:12 AM**

Seems that Surrey have some sort of hatred for casinos.