SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[Will O' Wisp]

Originally Posted by Derek

Back in the 90s the flight made a stop in PHX but the new flights from the past few years have not. BA has flown both the 747-400 and the 777-300ER nonstop between SAN and LHR.

Note I said "when filled with PAX". With no belly cargo and a reduced passenger load they can make it, but at max gross takeoff weight they both need a 10,000'+ runway.

[SDfan]

Any development news, anyone?

[spoonman]

This is correct. 747s are usually weight restricted, impacting financial viability but British Airways has made it work on SAN to LHR, but LHR is one of the “closer” Long haul destinations compared to Tokyo, Frankfurt, Beijing, etc.

As mentioned earlier, 787s are excellent for long hauls to Asia (this is what JAL uses from SAN to NRT) but carry fewer pax than 777s and 747s. Not a big issue though.

777s seem to do fine to LHR, but not sure about Asia do to additional fuel loading requirements. Anyone know what Lufthansa and Edelweiss use at SAN?

[Streamliner]

Originally Posted by spoonman

Anyone know what Lufthansa and Edelweiss use at SAN?

Lufthansa (SAN-Frankfurt) and Edelweiss (SAN-Zurich) both use Airbus A340-300s. Condor Airlines used Boeing 767-300ERs (SAN-Frankfurt) before they left.

[Nv_2897]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Any development news, anyone?

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[Will O' Wisp]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Any development news, anyone?

Oh yeah!

Lindbergh dropped AECOM for the Terminal 1 redesign and is now going with Jacobs.
The Brown Field MAP project is going to present at the Smart Growth Committee on the 27th, the last stop on the way to City Council
Miramar started construction on the new faculties for the F-35, mainly on the NE corner of the ramp.
McClellan-Palomar released an addendum to their EIR showing that moving the approach lighting won't negatively impact any biological resources.

That's what you're looking for, isn't it?

[mello]

I have seen the British Airways 747 take off on a Santa Ana evening last November with the flight path reversed. Obviously they don't go to PHX anymore so maybe some restriction has changed. I have written this here before, that night I was astounded at how little runway the BA 747 needed to lift off and it pulled up steeply as well and cleared Bankers Hill like a champ.

** This account was viewed from the top of the new rental car structure.

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp

Oh yeah!

Lindbergh dropped AECOM for the Terminal 1 redesign and is now going with Jacobs.
The Brown Field MAP project is going to present at the Smart Growth Committee on the 27th, the last stop on the way to City Council
Miramar started construction on the new faculties for the F-35, mainly on the NE corner of the ramp.
McClellan-Palomar released an addendum to their EIR showing that moving the approach lighting won't negatively impact any biological resources.

That's what you're looking for, isn't it?

[superfishy]

Are Frankfurt, Zurich, London, and Tokyo the only direct flights from SAN outside of North America?

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by superfishy

Are Frankfurt, Zurich, London, and Tokyo the only direct flights from SAN outside of North America?

Yes. You can also get to Shanghai via CBX/TIJ.

I’d suggest that these (London, Tokyo, Frankfurt (not so much Zurich)) are arguably the best routes in the world if one had to pick 3, for continuing travel to other destinations in Europe or Asia (BA, JAL, and Lufthansa hubs).

I’ve heard that SAN is also extremely likely to get service soon to Panama on Copa (connectivity to all of a South America), Korean Air to Seoul is also likely , and possibly additional European routes to Paris or Amsterdam (probably one or the other).

[Will O' Wisp]

Originally Posted by spoonman

Yes. You can also get to Shanghai via CBX/TIJ.

I’d suggest that these (London, Tokyo, Frankfurt (not so much Zurich)) are arguably the best routes in the world if one had to pick 3, for continuing travel to other destinations in Europe or Asia (BA, JAL, and Lufthansa hubs).

I’ve heard that SAN is also extremely likely to get service soon to Panama on Copa (connectivity to all of a South America), Korean Air to Seoul is also likely , and possibly additional European routes to Paris or Amsterdam (probably one or the other).

I've heard all the same things, and also heard Manila and Taiwan floated as a potential destinations. Lindbergh badly wants a direct flight to China, but the Chinese government has limited the number of slots to/from North America and has said it considers the SD region's to be taken by TIJ. Hopefully we can get something eventually, maybe in HK or Beijing if China wants regional destinations "spread out".

That's likely to be the limit on Asian destinations, seeing as everything else outranges the 787 and Singapore Air probably isn't to expend one of their precious 350-900ULRs on a route to SD.

[SDCAL]

[QUOTE=Will O' Wisp;8312940]I've heard all the same things, and also heard Manila and Taiwan floated as a potential destinations. Lindbergh badly wants a direct flight to China, but the Chinese government has limited the number of slots to/from North America and has said it considers the SD region's to be taken by TIJ. Hopefully we can get something eventually, maybe in HK or Beijing if China wants regional destinations "spread out".

That's likely to be the limit on Asian destinations, seeing as everything else outranges the 787 and Singapore Air probably isn't to expend one of their precious 350-900ULRs on a route to SD

I hadn’t heard the Panama one. That would be good to expand our reach into Latin America as Spoonman mentioned. I don’t think we currently even have a flight to Mexico City which is pretty shocking.

[spoonman]

Volaris was flying SAN to MEX but moved the flight to CBX/TIJ when CBX opened. Probably makes more sense as it is then an intra-National flight which is less costly to operate. Also any SAN feeder traffic is probably not necessary given the Mexican population in SD. On their website they list it as San Diego via CBX/TIJ.

IIRC, Alaska May add MEX as part of their growing ops at SAN. Not 100% sure about this though.

[SDfan]

Speaking of CBX/TIJ, I heard TIJ is a dump.

[SDfan]

Alexan Little Italy is nice. Whatever the fuck they're proposing in Makers Quarter is not.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...12-story.html#

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Speaking of CBX/TIJ, I heard TIJ is a dump.

Meh. Looks nice enough.


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SDUT

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Alexan Little Italy is nice. Whatever the fuck they're proposing in Makers Quarter is not.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...12-story.html#

Wow, Alexan Little Italy looks nice. Did it get taller?


SDUT

[Streamliner]

Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp

Oh yeah!

Lindbergh dropped AECOM for the Terminal 1 redesign and is now going with Jacobs.
The Brown Field MAP project is going to present at the Smart Growth Committee on the 27th, the last stop on the way to City Council
Miramar started construction on the new faculties for the F-35, mainly on the NE corner of the ramp.
McClellan-Palomar released an addendum to their EIR showing that moving the approach lighting won't negatively impact any biological resources.

That's what you're looking for, isn't it?

I know it's kind of tongue-in-cheek, but I appreciate this.

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Alexan Little Italy is nice. Whatever the fuck they're proposing in Makers Quarter is not.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...12-story.html#

SDUT

You're right about the Marker's Quarter development. This looks like it belongs on the UCSD campus as student housing. Check out what the Civic SD design committee had to say about the project. Love that they are taking density so seriously. That said, maybe the city needs to upzone these areas instead of arbitrarily telling developers they can't build proposed projects. Not that I want this project, just wondering the best way to achieve a fair/predictable outcome. Not sure.

Jefferson Makers Quarter
The only project to get noticeable disdain from the committee was the seven-story Jefferson Makers Quarter that takes up an entire city block in East Village.

Of primary concern was that the project calls for 318 apartments, even though the site could potentially hold more than 900 units. The committee said efforts to increase density downtown, especially in downtown, were of the utmost importance and this project’s relatively small number of apartments was not what they expected.

“This project’s not big enough,” said Kilkenny. “We are constantly shoehorning in huge projects into tiny, small pieces of (lots) to achieve the density we want. While I think this project is beautiful in a lot of ways, for me, it’s not big enough.”

[Nv_2897]

WOW what a nice design! Im surprised its not shorter due to Little Italy being so close to Lindberg Field