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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:14 PM
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Again, LA's history with earthquakes made the skyline what it is, more than anything. It's different.

LA's economy is booming at the moment, but most of the office space u.c or proposed is the entertainment industry/creative firms who don't care for highrise space. Highrises will be built from residential and hotels, most likely.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:19 PM
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After that -- you've got: SF, Philly, Miami, LA, Houston, Seattle, and maybe Dallas and Atlanta in the next category.

That was easy.
Except it's actually "maybe S.F., Philly, Dallas, Atlanta and Seattle in the next category".

Totals:
NYC - 1,356
Chicago - 520
Toronto - 374

Houston - 156
Miami - 154
LA - 140

SF - 94
Philly - 82
Atlanta - 82
Dallas - 78
Seattle - 68
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:19 PM
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never realized that crying over skylines results in tiers.





get it? tiers? tears? crying?



I'll let myself out...

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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:21 PM
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Uh, how about right now?
I'll wait for you to quote me on that (not holding my breath)
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:21 PM
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However it happens, when it happens, the skyline is gonna be even more amazing. And, again, I'm not talking about more supertalls. I'm talking about girth or large amounts of midrises and some high-rises. More highrise nodes. That's the future potential.


As for now, it's sucks that I consider the Atlanta skyline as significantly better than LA because of height and size.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:25 PM
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I think it's hard to tell where Miami belongs. Miami seems to belong in Tier 2 if you look at the number of buildings 500-599, as it is clearly distinct from those below it on that measure. But Miami is way behind Toronto and Chicago in terms of taller buildings. It looks like a city caught in between.

IMHO, the most important and least noisy measure is the number of buildings 500-599.

Using pure counts of buildings in each height tier, the transition from Tier 2 to Tier 3 is subtle and hard to include or exclude Miami.



Using the sum of height for all buildings 500+, Miami falls behind.



Using the point system used earlier in this thread, Miami definitely falls behind Toronto:



But here's the problem. If we exclude the Big Three, Miami is clearly still an outlier looking at the cumulative height of all 500-599 buildings:



And Miami only looks like the others if you use the point system to give a lot more credit to supertalls:

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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:26 PM
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Again, LA's history with earthquakes made the skyline what it is, more than anything. It's different.
Breaking news, earthquakes are a thing in the Bay Area, too, yet the San Francisco skyline has always held its weight and is rarely (if ever) doubted/questioned as is L.A.'s.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:29 PM
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Philly has a really impressive skyline even if the newest Comcast building is meh. The skyline has great massing and density. Something Houston's lacks in the most photographed eastward facing perspective plus we have very few pointy buildings. New York and Chicago really stand out because of antennas and spires. Toronto really has no pointy things other than the CN Tower.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:30 PM
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I think it's hard to tell where Miami belongs. Miami seems to belong in Tier 2 if you look at the number of buildings 500-599, as it is clearly distinct from those below it on that measure. But Miami is way behind Toronto and Chicago in terms of taller buildings. It looks like a city caught in between.
When the subject of tiers was initially raised in this thread, below was my opinion (and I stand by it) with regards to Miami's placement:

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Tier 1:
NYC
(big drop)
Chicago

Tier 1.5:
San Francisco
Miami

Tier 2:
Houston
Los Angeles
Dallas
Philadelphia
Atlanta
Seattle
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I'll wait for you to quote me on that (not holding my breath)
I just did.

Do you even read posts before responding?
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:33 PM
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Philly has a really impressive skyline even if the newest Comcast building is meh. The skyline has great massing and density. Something Houston's lacks in the most photographed eastward facing perspective plus we have very few pointy buildings. New York and Chicago really stand out because of antennas and spires. Toronto really has no pointy things other than the CN Tower.
I cannot stand the western face of Houston as seen from Buffalo Bayou view. But the northwestern view coming in on I-45 and the southeastern view as seen from around 288 are great.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:33 PM
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I consider the Atlanta skyline as significantly better than LA because of height and size.
huh?



buildings over 1,000':

LA - 2
ATL - 1



buildings over 900':

LA - 2
ATL - 1



buildings over 800':

LA - 3
ATL - 3



buildings over 700':

LA - 9
ATL - 5



buildings over 600':

LA - 17
ATL - 11



buildings over 500':

LA - 31
ATL - 20
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:39 PM
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Wait... are buildings given any extra points, or simply adding up tall buildings = better skyline. A bunch of generic looking boxes doesn't do much for me.

Speaking of Philly, ok, so I think people universally think its City Hall is the probably the best in North America--it's 548 feet tall, does it get any bonus. Or what about the PSFS tower being the first modern, International style skyscraper built in the U.S. These are just a few examples, I'm sure every city has some unique buildings.

What about historical significance, materials used, time periods/styles represented in a skyline? Not sure how you can put all these factors into some sort of Skyline ranking system.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:43 PM
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I just did.

Do you even read posts before responding?
You typed, verbatim, Uh, how about right now?.

Nowhere have you ever pointed out a post in which you can quote me as follows:

"Someone on SSP has claimed NYC and Philly have the same highrise counts".

Again I'll wait.

But since you won't ever find such a quote, I will state again, once and for all, that you and several other forumers have claimed that NYC and Philly are similar from a development perspective. They are not, and, in fact, Philly is much more comparable to Houston and Dallas from a development perspective than Philly is comparable to NYC from a development perspective (according to data and photos presented within this thread, which you are clearly oblivious to because they support my claim, not yours).
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:46 PM
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the northwestern view coming in on I-45
Best Houston skyline vantage point, IMO.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:46 PM
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Chicago has the best skyline. NYC is like INSANE but Chicago seems like a normal city(for America) but on steroids. It's so damn interesting but also "manageable."

I feel like if we do some academic tiering system people will see the results and do something like...


Yeah so city X is above city Y...but I really like that city Y has more history in their scrapers...so I'll bump that up a bit. Miami has too many residential buildings, so lets lower their ranking. Houston has too many office buildings, lets lower theirs. Philadelphia has some amazing buildings in a tight area, lets raise their rankings.

Etc. etc. etc.

Lets keep it subjective.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 7:50 PM
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Lets keep it subjective.
^ That's why I titled it "Skylines that make you cry"

The act of crying is always something subjective, not objective.

So all of the comparing of who has the most 500+ footers isn't really relevant to the purpose of this thread. But carry on....
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I think it's hard to tell where Miami belongs. Miami seems to belong in Tier 2 if you look at the number of buildings 500-599, as it is clearly distinct from those below it on that measure. But Miami is way behind Toronto and Chicago in terms of taller buildings. It looks like a city caught in between.
the bolded is the issue at the moment.

miami is getting the girth to be one of the big boys, but it lacks the upper end height to take it to the next level.

miami needs more exclamation points like chicago has before we can start talking about it being in tier 2, IMO.

if several of its dozen or so supertall proposals would finally "pop", that would go a long way. it needs more of this:


Skyline from the south by Jonathan Lurie, on Flick
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 8:00 PM
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I dunno.

That looks like the Miami of Canada to me.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2019, 8:05 PM
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Breaking news, earthquakes are a thing in the Bay Area, too, yet the San Francisco skyline has always held its weight and is rarely (if ever) doubted/questioned as is L.A.'s.
LA couldn't build over 13 floors until 1960 because of earthquakes. Did SF? No. It's not the same.
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