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[kolchak]

I didn't mean to touch a nerve with my post. I just think that dedicated highrise public parking with ground floor services/retail could fill a need and reduce the number of podium parking garages allowing for more new developments to forego them. Like a couple - one or two.

333 looks great. Its actually as black as billed.

[Mr Downtown]

Originally Posted by 10023

Park . . . at a Metra station on the outskirts and take the train into town.

That won't work for someone staying at a downtown hotel. Virtually all Metra lots forbid overnight parking.

And you assume there were open spaces to begin with. Many villages have waiting lists for a spot in the Metra lot; others will be completely full by 8 am, long before most tourists would get there.

[maru2501]

I think some have returned home due to an improving economy, or at least improving in their sector

[Baronvonellis]

Yea, I don't know why but I had a British roommate that moved here. She wanted to come to America and go to school in Chicago and then stayed. The Brits seem to like it. I had an Italian roommate before, but she left for NY after a year. The Italian culture is alot stronger in NY than Chicago.

[ChickeNES]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

And you assume there were open spaces to begin with. Many villages have waiting lists for a spot in the Metra lot; others will be completely full by 8 am, long before most tourists would get there.

Then maybe they need to get with the program and build garages.

[uaarkson]

Chicago should ban above-ground parking garages. Fact.

[rlw777]

There is definitely a need for parking but the city should also be working to reduce that need. Why not increase parking taxes? Or require new construction with parking structures to pay into a fund for mass transit expansion?

[Handro]

Originally Posted by rlw777

there is definitely a need for parking but the city should also be working to reduce that need. Why not increase parking taxes? Or require new construction with parking structures to pay into a fund for mass transit expansion?

Shut up! No parking anywhere ever! Demolish all roads! Burn drivers at the stake! Create a special police force to shoot drivers at the city limits on sight! Lmao. Whats the term for fanatical anti-NIMBYs? This board is full of them.

[BrinChi]

Originally Posted by rlw777

There is definitely a need for parking but the city should also be working to reduce that need. Why not increase parking taxes? Or require new construction with parking structures to pay into a fund for mass transit expansion?

I wouldn't be opposed. With apps like spot hero able to adjust prices in real time, parking is more affordable downtown than ever before. I certainly think drivers downtown should be allowed, but they should definitely pay more since they take up more space and infrastructure -- plus they add noise and pollution.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

That won't work for someone staying at a downtown hotel. Virtually all Metra lots forbid overnight parking.

And you assume there were open spaces to begin with. Many villages have waiting lists for a spot in the Metra lot; others will be completely full by 8 am, long before most tourists would get there.

but there are LOTS of options to street park your car on a side street near an el stop out in some random neighborhood and take the el downtown.

not that i would expect many tourists driving in from iowa to be savvy enough to take advantage of it, but for those that want to avoid downtown hotel's STEEP parking costs, that option is there with just a little bit of research.

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

but there are LOTS of options to street park your car on a side street near an el stop out in some random neighborhood and take the el downtown.

not that i would expect many tourists driving in from iowa to be savvy enough to take advantage of it, but for those that want to avoid downtown hotel's STEEP parking costs, that option is there with just a little bit of research.

Yes, and even the CTA's official park and ride facilities are often underutilized, so they also allow overnight parking up to and including multi-day arrangements. This is more expensive than street parking but comes with the bonus of being a secured facility.

Presumably this is because many riders walk or take connecting buses to these stations, while CTA and Pace do a piss-poor job connecting to Metra and Metra only runs hourly (or less) off peak.

[sixo1]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Change in foreign born population in the Chicago MSA from 2010 to 2018. The losses of people born in Mexico and Poland is nearly the same as the gains of people from India, China, Nigeria, Philippines, Pakistan, Other Eastern Europe, Vietnam, Jordan, Romania, and Ukraine. There's actually an increase of nearly 17,000 foreign born people from 2010 to 2018 in the Chicago MSA.

How does Chicago compare to other cities in regards to the increase in Vietnamese population? (Or you could point me in a direction to look up these data myself.) Many of my Vietnamese friends (and their relatives that move to the US) want to leave (skip over) California for Texas because of affordability.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by sixo1

How does Chicago compare to other cities in regards to the increase in Vietnamese population? (Or you could point me in a direction to look up these data myself.) Many of my Vietnamese friends (and their relatives that move to the US) want to leave (skip over) California for Texas because of affordability.

Houston has the 3rd highest "born in Vietnam" population of any MSA proper in the country behind LA and San Jose. Dallas is 4th highest though a bit lower than Houston. In terms of overall population of this, Chicago is middle of the pack - similar to Riverside, CA near Los Angeles and not far behind NYC and Philadelphia areas. Basically though California (LA, Bay Area, and San Diego), Texas (Houston and Dallas), and Seattle dominate. DC area has a good number too.

I haven't looked at every single MSA, but these are the populations estimated of people born in Vietnam per MSA:

1. Los Angeles MSA: 248,516 people
2. San Jose MSA: 102,358 people
3. Houston MSA: 92,700 people
4. Dallas MSA: 57,773 people
5. Seattle MSA: 56,108 people
6. San Francisco MSA: 53,841 people
7. Washington DC MSA: 45,131 people
8. San Diego MSA: 40,157 people
9. Atlanta MSA: 35,512 people
10. Boston MSA: 28,999 people
11. Sacramento MSA: 28,605 people
12. Philadelphia MSA: 25,464 people
13. NYC MSA: 25,442 people
14. Chicago MSA: 22,811 people
15. Riverside, CA MSA: 21,348 people
16. Phoenix MSA: 17,313 people
17. Minneapolis MSA: 15,431 people
18. Denver MSA: 14,427 people
19. Miami MSA: 13,053 people
20. Orlando MSA: 10,742 people
21. Austin MSA: 10,706 people
22. Tampa MSA: 10,508 people
23. Las Vegas MSA: 9725 people
24. Charlotte MSA: 6629 people
25. Virginia Beach MSA: 4935 people
26. Baltimore MSA: 4610 people
27. Detroit MSA: 4537 people
28. Cleveland MSA: 2233 people

Now, between 2011 and 2018, Chicago MSA is doing decently well relatively with the changes:
1. Los Angeles MSA: +19,364 people
2. Houston MSA: +19,083 people
3. Seattle MSA: +9417 people
4. San Jose MSA: +8126 people
5. Chicago MSA: +5454 people
6. Atlanta MSA: +4688 people
7. Sacramento MSA: +3684 people
8. Miami MSA: +2606 people
9. San Francisco MSA: +2088 people
10. Washington DC MSA: +1429 people
11. Dallas MSA: +1365 people
12. Phoenix MSA: +1315 people
13. Minneapolis MSA: +1042 people
14. Las Vegas MSA: +599 people
15. Orlando MSA: +463 people
16. Denver MSA: +400 people
17. San Diego MSA: -141 people
18. Baltimore MSA: -326 people
19. Riverside, CA MSA: -469 people
20. Boston MSA: -902 people
21. Detroit MSA: -928 people
22. Philadelphia MSA: -3044 people
23. Tampa MSA: 5404 people
24. NYC MSA: -9053 people

In terms of percent change from 2011 to 2018, Chicago MSA is actually #1:
1. Chicago MSA: +31.42%
2. Houston MSA: +25.92%
3. Miami MSA: +24.94%
4. Seattle MSA: +20.17%
5. Atlanta MSA: +15.21%
6. Sacramento MSA: +14.78%
7. San Jose MSA: +8.62%
8. Los Angeles MSA: +8.45%
9. Phoenix MSA: +8.22%
10. Minneapolis MSA: +7.24%
11. Las Vegas MSA: +6.56%
12. Orlando MSA: +4.5%
13. San Francisco MSA: +4.03%
14. Washington DC MSA: +3.27%
15. Denver MSA: +2.85%
16. Dallas MSA: +2.42%
17. San Diego MSA: -0.35%
18. Riverside, CA MSA: -2.15%
19. Boston MSA: -3.02%
20. Baltimore MSA: -6.6%
21. Philadelphia MSA: -10.68%
22. Detroit MSA: -16.98%
23. NYC MSA: -26.24%
24. Tampa MSA: -33.96%


Also Chicago MSA had the 3rd highest increase of people born in Cambodians only behind the DC and Philadelphia areas - a little over 1100 added. The areas with the most lost a lot each - Los Angeles (-6339 people), Boston (-3406 people), Seattle (-3280 people), Dallas (-2940 people), Riverside, CA (-4448 people). NYC also lost over 1800 but didn't have a ton to begin with.

[jpIllInoIs]

Originally Posted by sixo1

How does Chicago compare to other cities in regards to the increase in Vietnamese population? (Or you could point me in a direction to look up these data myself.) Many of my Vietnamese friends (and their relatives that move to the US) want to leave (skip over) California for Texas because of affordability.

Isnt the Argyle red line station considered 'little vietnam' . I used to live in andersonville and we would go there for Asian food frequently.

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Change in foreign born population in the Chicago MSA from 2010 to 2018. The losses of people born in Mexico and Poland is nearly the same as the gains of people from India, China, Nigeria, Philippines, Pakistan, Other Eastern Europe, Vietnam, Jordan, Romania, and Ukraine. There's actually an increase of nearly 17,000 foreign born people from 2010 to 2018 in the Chicago MSA.

1. India: +39,833 people
2. China: +13,499 people
3. Nigeria: +9074 people
4. Philippines: +7331 people
5. Pakistan: +7068 people
6. Other Eastern Europe: +4972 people
7. Vietnam: +4596 people
8. Jordan: +4261 people
9. Romania: +4207 people
10. Ukraine: +3721 people
11. Asia N.E.C: +3413 people
12. Iraq: +3179 people
13. Turkey: +2840 people
14. Moldova: +2743 people
15. Cameroon: +2666 people
16. Canada: +2508 people
17. Ghana: +2483 people
18. Serbia: +2396 people
19. UK: +2389 people
20. Albania: +2103 people
21. Japan: +2041 people
22. Morocco: +1940 people
23. Haiti: +1914 people
24. Malaysia: +1682 people
25. Afghanistan: +1668 people
26. Syria: +1595 people
27. Ecuador: +1474 people
28. Czech: +1460 people
29. Thailand: +1434 people
30. Saudi Arabia: +1348 people
31. Ethiopia: +1330 people
32. Colombia: +1305 people
33. Belarus: +1213 people
34. Kenya: +1138 people
35. Dominican Republic: +980 people
36. Russia: +953 people
37. Burma: +941 people
38. Bolivia: +891 people
39. Venezuela: +850 people
40. Lithuania: +785 people
41. Kazakhstan: +783 people
42. Barbados: +699 people
43. Australia: +645 people
44. Guatemala: +626 people
45. Indonesia: +609 people
46. Other Eastern Asia: +572 people
47. Nicaragua: +537 people
48. Nepal: +505 people
49. Other Western Asia: +476 people
50. Norway: +452 people
51. Korea: +428 people
52. Brazil: +380 people
53. Sri Lanka: +358 people
54. Denmark: +324 people
55. Other South Central Asia: +302 people
56. Liberia: +273 people
57. Sierra Leone: +265 people
58. Oceania N.E.C: +256 people
59. Cambodia: +249 people
60. Other Middle Africa: +233 people
61. Spain: +220 people
62. Austria: +200 people
63. Europe n.e.c: +196 people
64. West Indies: +160 people
65. Belize: +143 people
66. Bahamas: +142 people
67. Other Northern Africa: +121 people
68. Uruguay: +116 people
69. Belgium: +63 people
70. Cabo Verde: +44 people
71. Fiji: +39 people
72. Other Southern Africa: +34 people
73. Uzbekistan: +31 people
74. Panama: +16 people
75. other South Eastern Asia: Unchanged
76. Other Northern Europe: -14 people
77. Kuwait: -20 people
78. Singapore: -36 people
79. Other Northern America: -46 people
80. Other Central America: -64 people
81. Grenada: -65 people
82. Other Western Europe: -66 people
83. Other Southern Europe: -77 people
84. Trinidad and Tobago: -107 people
85. St. Vincent and the Grenadines: -178 people
86. Eritrea: -203 people
87. Bosnia: -230 people
88. Croatia: -233 people
89. Portugal: -235 people
90. Other Eastern Africa: -274 people
91. Other Aus/NZ: -285 people
92. Other South America: -293 people
93. Lebanon: -303 people
94. Dominica: -322 people
95. Guyana: -351 people
96. Armenia: -371 people
97. Other Caribbean: -380 people
98. Chile: -418 people
99. Switzerland: -436 people
100. Netherlands: -494 people
101. Hungary: -522 people
102. Africa N.E.C: -544 people
103. Sudan: -636 people
104. Costa Rica: -638 people
105. Sweden: -656 people
106. Iran: -799 people
107. South Africa: -836 people
108. Honduras: -962 people
109. Other Western Africa: -993 people
110. Argentina: -1033 people
111. Israel: -1058 people
112. Laos: -1061 people
113. El Salvador: -1064 people
114. Yemen: -1179 people
115. Egypt: -1227 people
116. Bangladesh: -1286 people
117. Cuba: -1315 people
118. Greece: -1444 people
119. Latvia: -1537 people
120. France: -1560 people
121. Jamaica: -1802 people
122. Macedonia: -1910 people
123. Bulgaria: -2269 people
124. Italy: -3041 people
125. Peru: -3364 people
126. Ireland: -3638 people
127. Germany: -5287 people
128. Poland: -24,826 people
129. Mexico: -73,773 people

How do some of the larger countries (in terms of their 'base' 2010 Chicago MSA population) look in terms of percent changes? Difficult to contextualize some of these changes, some of which sound pretty large but they might not be.

[Vlajos]

^ I have always assumed the margin for error on these specific things is very high in the census estimates.

[sixo1]

@marothisu: Thank you so much for looking into this!

Originally Posted by jpIllInoIs

Isnt the Argyle red line station considered 'little vietnam' . I used to live in andersonville and we would go there for Asian food frequently.

@jpIllInoIs: Yes, it is often called "Little Vietnam."

I shop in Little Vietnam sometimes. Through the years, I have noticed that Chinatown is growing and is quite an active place, but Little Vietnam's growth appears to be stagnant. Maybe Vietnamese are settling in other parts of the Chicago MSA.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

^ I have always assumed the margin for error on these specific things is very high in the census estimates.

It seems like the changes from year to year have a big MOE, so that's why I started bringing in since 2010 in this.

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego

How do some of the larger countries (in terms of their 'base' 2010 Chicago MSA population) look in terms of percent changes? Difficult to contextualize some of these changes, some of which sound pretty large but they might not be.

I'll only show the changes where the population for the country is estimated in 2018 at 5000+. Changes are from 2010 to 2018:

Other Eastern Europe: +126.8%
Turkey: +123.4%
Nigeria: +97.1%
Jordan: +82.1%
Albania: +64.6%
Asia (not defined): +63.6%
Ghana: +59.6%
Serbia: +46.3%
Haiti: +43.1%
Romania: +35.9%
Pakistan: +33.9%
India: +33.4%
Thailand: +31.1%
Czech Republic (including Slovakia): +30.9%
Iraq: +28.7%
Japan: +25.8%
Vietnam: +25.2%
Syria: +24.9%
China: +21.2%
Ukraine: +17.9%
Canada: +17.3%
UK: +15.5%
Colombia: +11.3%
Ecuador: +9.5%
Philippines: +9.3%
Lithuania: +7.5%
Brazil: +7.4%
Russia: +3.8%
Guatemala: +2.9%
Korea: +1.2%

Bosnia: -2.7%
Greece: -10.1%
Honduras: -10.2%
Mexico: -10.8%
El Salvador: -11.5%
Iran: -12.9%
Italy: -15%
Bulgaria: -16%
Poland: -16.5%
Cuba: -17.7%
Germany: -22.7%
Jamaica: -24.5%
Peru: -32.4%
Ireland: -39.6%


By the way, Afghanistan led overall with a percent increase of 1303.1%. Cameroon was 2nd with +1217.4%. Moldova, Kazakhstan, and Norway all had increases of over 150%.

[k1052]

Originally Posted by ardecila

and Metra only runs hourly (or less) off peak.

This is something that aggravates me. Metra's rush hour focused service pattern oversees a ridership that continues to slip as metro area car traffic and VMT continues to build. Their response is usually to trim off peak and weekend trains to cut ops costs. Other commuter rail agencies that have added off peak and weekend service have found ridership to fill them, just do that.

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by marothisu

It seems like the changes from year to year have a big MOE, so that's why I started bringing in since 2010 in this.



I'll only show the changes where the population for the country is estimated in 2018 at 5000+. Changes are from 2010 to 2018:

Other Eastern Europe: +126.8%
Turkey: +123.4%
Nigeria: +97.1%
Jordan: +82.1%
Albania: +64.6%
Asia (not defined): +63.6%
Ghana: +59.6%
Serbia: +46.3%
Haiti: +43.1%
Romania: +35.9%
Pakistan: +33.9%
India: +33.4%
Thailand: +31.1%
Czech Republic (including Slovakia): +30.9%
Iraq: +28.7%
Japan: +25.8%
Vietnam: +25.2%
Syria: +24.9%
China: +21.2%
Ukraine: +17.9%
Canada: +17.3%
UK: +15.5%
Colombia: +11.3%
Ecuador: +9.5%
Philippines: +9.3%
Lithuania: +7.5%
Brazil: +7.4%
Russia: +3.8%
Guatemala: +2.9%
Korea: +1.2%

Bosnia: -2.7%
Greece: -10.1%
Honduras: -10.2%
Mexico: -10.8%
El Salvador: -11.5%
Iran: -12.9%
Italy: -15%
Bulgaria: -16%
Poland: -16.5%
Cuba: -17.7%
Germany: -22.7%
Jamaica: -24.5%
Peru: -32.4%
Ireland: -39.6%

By the way, Afghanistan led overall with a percent increase of 1303.1%. Cameroon was 2nd with +1217.4%. Moldova, Kazakhstan, and Norway all had increases of over 150%.

Thanks - so the declines in Poland and Mexico numbers are indeed pretty substantial by both measures. I would imagine some of the decline, is natural, i.e. death of the immigrant generation while US-born children are still here, but it's troubling that these were major areas of population replenishment in the past that have reversed.

Jordan and "Asia (not defined)" are interesting as well - I wonder if these are Palestinians, of whom there is a vibrant and growing community across a broad swath of southwest suburbs (Bridgeview, Chicago Ridge, Oak Lawn, Worth, Palos, Tinley) that doesn't get a whole lot of attention due in part to the general North and Northwesterly skew of Chicagoland media, policy, and culture.