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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 6:31 PM
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Looks like the Subway in the Viagra Triangle (1110 N State) that's not longer with the astrology shop (Ms. Devon) that I wrote about going away is becoming something called a Velvet Taco, which has a few locations - Dallas and Fort Worth. They are open late (4am one night) so I think we can expect this to be a late night spot which is great news I think. The menu actually looks good and the remodel of the exterior is a step up to the area I think.

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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 6:43 PM
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So hipster taco joints are the new faux irish bars?
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 7:13 PM
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Of course....Because who doesn't want a late night velvet taco? 8) Sorry couldn't resist.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 7:15 PM
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Except that the building is pretty much a 4+1 on a major retail street that is not the place for that building type. Where people previously passed a store with giant storefront windows (not to mention some very attractive terra cotta), there will be a tiny building entrance, a garage entrance, new curb cut, and open views into the ground floor parking.
I am sorry, but you cannot be serious? There is NO retail presence. A tattoo shop, a pay day loan store, and a tax preparation office? This whole strip of Broadway needs to get uplifted. There is no reason why the 3900 to 4300 N blocks of Broadway should not look like the 1600 to 2000 N blocks of Damen Avenue given the proximity to the beautiful lake front, park space, the CTA redline stop, and Disney Magnet school. Broadway needs retail on the bottom floor and residential above. It has proven successful in many other areas of our city and drives retail traffic.

Also, that building is not attractive at all. It is a total tear down. Good riddance. Uptown needs to support progress. How can the community ask for affordable housing and support services if they prevent the tax base from growing. How can the city continue to pay for it otherwise without driving the existing tax base out with higher fees? This is also why the Stewart School reuse needs a high concentration of market rate housing. A 70/30 mix, but definitely not 100% affordable and non-profit businesses. A well balanced approach is key for the city's survival.

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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 7:23 PM
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I am sorry, but you cannot be serious? There is NO retail presence. A tattoo shop, a pay day loan store, and a tax preparation office? This whole strip of Broadway needs to get uplifted. There is no reason why the 3900 to 4300 N blocks of Broadway should not look like the 1600 to 2000 N blocks of Damen Avenue given the proximity to the lake front, the CTA redline stop, and Disney Magnet school.

Also, that building is not attractive at all. It is a total tear down. Good riddance. Uptown needs to support progress. How can the community ask for affordable housing and support services if they prevent the tax base from growing. How can the city continue to pay for it otherwise without driving the existing tax base out with higher fees? This is also why the Stewart School reuse needs a high concentration of market rate housing. A 70/30 or 80/20 mix, but definitely not 100% affordable and non-profit businesses. A well balanced approach is key for the city's survival.
There is already a glut of market rate rentals/condos in Uptown, especially in the least desirable central portion...there is no demand for another 100% market rate rental at Wilson/Broadway. The Stewart property is absolutely going to need a large affordable component in order for the developer to make the numbers work via TIF assistance. It's just not as desirable of a property as people like to imagine.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 7:45 PM
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There is already a glut of market rate rentals/condos in Uptown, especially in the least desirable central portion...there is no demand for another 100% market rate rental at Wilson/Broadway. The Stewart property is absolutely going to need a large affordable component in order for the developer to make the numbers work via TIF assistance. It's just not as desirable of a property as people like to imagine.
Have you seen the market rentals available? Most are old and undesirable. The units available are not to the standard set by new developments occurring in other neighborhoods. Uptown needs some fresh new development. Otherwise, people will skip it over and go to Lincoln Square, Bucktown, and Ukrainian Village. Logan Square is getting more development than Uptown and it lacks the attractive amenities that Uptown offers.

Also, define undesirable? Within walking distance of one of the largest parks on the lake front, a Target, music venues, rich ethnic eateries and a brand new train station? I am sorry, but too many vocal proponents in uptown are trying to prevent positive change in the community. People need to get pass the Helen Shiller Days.

The entire presentation I posted said that all of the proposals had issues reaching the required financing because the affordable percentage was too high, reiterating my point that a well-balanced mix is important.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 7:52 PM
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I am sorry, but you cannot be serious? There is NO retail presence. A tattoo shop, a pay day loan store, and a tax preparation office? This whole strip of Broadway needs to get uplifted.
By major retail street, I meant what it should be for Buena Park. I realize that it's not there right now, especially with the gas station, hospital, and parking lot across the street. But this development just makes the streetscape at ground level worse.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 7:59 PM
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By major retail street, I meant what it should be for Buena Park. I realize that it's not there right now, especially with the gas station, hospital, and parking lot across the street. But this development just makes the streetscape at ground level worse.
Sorry if I was too abrasive. I am just sad that the Mexican restaurant and the breakfast diner on the corner of Irving/Broadway are long gone. I feel the area has gone backwards over the years. Do not even get me started with Thorek's land banking. The parking lot west of the gas station is always empty!
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 8:14 PM
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Looks like the Subway in the Viagra Triangle (1110 N State) that's not longer with the astrology shop (Ms. Devon) that I wrote about going away is becoming something called a Velvet Taco, which has a few locations - Dallas and Fort Worth. They are open late (4am one night) so I think we can expect this to be a late night spot which is great news I think. The menu actually looks good and the remodel of the exterior is a step up to the area I think.

I have been to the Velvet Taco location in Dallas - really good spot. Very popular with the hipster crowd. The tacos were really expensive, but yes this is a good addition to the Chicago food scene. That, and the Max's Wine Dive going in on Milwaukee (another Texas restaurant popular with foodies) are both really good.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 8:24 PM
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Wow what a welcome addition. Nice to see that building get a facelift too.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 8:29 PM
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Uh, that rendering shows a trail project at Addison. At Montrose, they're just shoring up the riverbank... no path is planned as of yet.

http://chicago47.org/wp-content/uplo...scape-plan.pdf
Oh, it looked pretty significant to me, but I guess you are right that flyover isn't until further south.

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Good news. Hopefully the densest option with the largest affordable component prevails. Although, given the requirement to sell to the highest bidder, it probably won't matter much.

IMO Cappleman is going to have a hard time pleasing his base with this kind of community imput.
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There is already a glut of market rate rentals/condos in Uptown, especially in the least desirable central portion...there is no demand for another 100% market rate rental at Wilson/Broadway. The Stewart property is absolutely going to need a large affordable component in order for the developer to make the numbers work via TIF assistance. It's just not as desirable of a property as people like to imagine.
There is a glut of market rate stuff in Uptown because few market rate tenants want to live there! Do you know why that is? Because Uptown already has by far the largest institutional population in Chicago. This is why Uptown has continued to fester while every neighborhood to the north, south, and west has boomed. No one wants to live somewhere with roving bands of recovering drug addicts, people with mental conditions, and transients on every corner. The LAST thing Uptown needs is another load of low income citizens dumped on it. Then again, maybe we, as a city, have simply decided Uptown will forever be the dumping ground for all of our undesirables from now until the end of time.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2014, 8:47 PM
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Wow what a welcome addition. Nice to see that building get a facelift too.
When I went by it on Friday, they were removing the facade already and I saw the exposed brick. The astrology shop is still in business but not for much longer. There are now wood boards over the sidewalk but you can see into the top and it looks like they've probably already gutted the first floor.

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I have been to the Velvet Taco location in Dallas - really good spot. Very popular with the hipster crowd. The tacos were really expensive, but yes this is a good addition to the Chicago food scene. That, and the Max's Wine Dive going in on Milwaukee (another Texas restaurant popular with foodies) are both really good.
Good to know - it's not authentic tacos, but I took a look at the Dallas menu and it looks like it's good, Plus it's open late and I live just a few blocks south so it'll be great for me if I like it I've read a review on it that had good things to say about it and I saw on Yelp there were about 700 reviews and 4 stars. Not to get into a Yelp discussion, but something like that is good to see.
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Did we ever get photos of the ped bridge linking K2 to the Jewel on Desplaines? It's kinda cool looking, being on a diagonal and such. (I figured a ped bridge comment belonged in this thread rather than as a K2 highrise post.)
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2014, 12:32 PM
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There is a glut of market rate stuff in Uptown because few market rate tenants want to live there! Do you know why that is? Because Uptown already has by far the largest institutional population in Chicago. This is why Uptown has continued to fester while every neighborhood to the north, south, and west has boomed. No one wants to live somewhere with roving bands of recovering drug addicts, people with mental conditions, and transients on every corner. The LAST thing Uptown needs is another load of low income citizens dumped on it. Then again, maybe we, as a city, have simply decided Uptown will forever be the dumping ground for all of our undesirables from now until the end of time.
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Have you seen the market rentals available? Most are old and undesirable. The units available are not to the standard set by new developments occurring in other neighborhoods. Uptown needs some fresh new development. Otherwise, people will skip it over and go to Lincoln Square, Bucktown, and Ukrainian Village. Logan Square is getting more development than Uptown and it lacks the attractive amenities that Uptown offers.

Also, define undesirable? Within walking distance of one of the largest parks on the lake front, a Target, music venues, rich ethnic eateries and a brand new train station? I am sorry, but too many vocal proponents in uptown are trying to prevent positive change in the community. People need to get pass the Helen Shiller Days.

The entire presentation I posted said that all of the proposals had issues reaching the required financing because the affordable percentage was too high, reiterating my point that a well-balanced mix is important.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I moved to Uptown instead of gentrified clone neighborhoods because I like the neighborhood the way it is now. If I wanted a neighborhood full of faux irish pubs and ironic fried chicken sandwiches, i'd move.

But even worse, the push back against the word affordable has been pretty disgusting. The "affordable" units at the JDL proposal for Maryville (dead?) were like $1,100+ for a 1 bedroom...that's hardly new SRO full of drunks. But for some reason, the community, still all hot and bothered after nearly a decade of Uptown Update inspired anti-poor rhetoric frothed at the very mention of the word affordable.

I was much more sympathetic to the anti-helen crowd when i first moved to Uptown. However, my attitude flips more to the other direction as each year passes as I encounter significant racism and anti-poor attitudes within the community. Shutting down legit shiit boxes like Lawrence House is one thing but I prefer Uptown remains a dense, affordable, port of entry neighborhood. Thankfully, it looks like the new SRO ordinance will pass which should really help preserve some of the character.
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^ Good for you.

I can't live around poor Americans because then you get robbed, jumped, mugged, and deal with scum who shoot eachother.

I don't need that in my life.

Poor immigrants are fine because they are often here to work hard and move up in life. Entrenched poor Americans? It's all about pointing fingers and blaming & manipulating the system.

Do that somewhere else. Not near me. I'll take my gastropubs and "iconic fried chicken sandwiches" over the "authentic urban experience" of pickpockets and break-ins. Thank you very much.
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^ Good for you.

I can't live around poor Americans because then you get robbed, jumped, mugged, and deal with scum who shoot eachother.

I don't need that in my life.

Poor immigrants are fine because they are often here to work hard and move up in life. Entrenched poor Americans? It's all about pointing fingers and blaming & manipulating the system.

Do that somewhere else. Not near me. I'll take my gastropubs and "iconic fried chicken sandwiches" over the "authentic urban experience" of pickpockets and break-ins. Thank you very much.
I'll nominate this as comment of the year so far.
The idea that neighborhoods are never allowed to change is hilarious. I read this from a humboldt park website.
http://www.humboldtparkportal.org/mobile/news/6922

It's as if the 606 or any type of community investment is bad. What about working and middle class property owners there now who will make a fortune when they sell their place because of gentrification. Why is it ok for poor immigrants to have a neighborhood, but when wealthy whites and Asians want to move in, the world wants to cry housing discrimination and how unfair it is. It was a lot more unfair when gang bangers were running the neighborhood shooting at anyone that wore the wrong colors or robbing anyone who doesn't look like a hardened criminal. This SRO ordinance is going to be awful for Uptown, a neighborhood that needs as much property tax revenue from this city to pay for the services it's citizens require. No one ethnic or socio-economic group owns a neighborhood.
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2014, 1:26 PM
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^ Good for you.

I can't live around poor Americans because then you get robbed, jumped, mugged, and deal with scum who shoot eachother.

I don't need that in my life.

Poor immigrants are fine because they are often here to work hard and move up in life. Entrenched poor Americans? It's all about pointing fingers and blaming & manipulating the system.

Do that somewhere else. Not near me. I'll take my gastropubs and "iconic fried chicken sandwiches" over the "authentic urban experience" of pickpockets and break-ins. Thank you very much.
Yep, this is the exact attitude that has turned me off, it's pretty vile and belongs in Libertyville. No wonder Chicago has a reputation as a backwater flyover.

I haven't had a single bad thing happen to me in Uptown despite living next to poor people.
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I live in Uptown, my rent is fairly high for the area ($1000+) but my unit is completely new and I would have never found a similar unit for a similar price in a hotter community. Uptown has a lot going for it and while the vagrants don't bother me other than to ask repeat questions about my dog, I do think there are too many of them. These SROs also occupy some pretty architecturally significant buildings in Uptown as well. If they were market rate these building would be receiving the investments they need and deserve. I understand these people need homes but concentrating them in Uptown is not the answer. The alderman is doing the right thing!

A few examples




none of these buildings are market rate.
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Yep, this is the exact attitude that has turned me off, it's pretty vile and belongs in Libertyville. No wonder Chicago has a reputation as a backwater flyover.

I haven't had a single bad thing happen to me in Uptown despite living next to poor people.
i find the comments abhorrent, as well, but who considers the third largest u.s. city (and also an alpha world city), a backwater?

sure, i've heard flyover country and all that goading bullshit, but a backwater?
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