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Superfish · #**2961** Posted **Aug 10, 2007, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by hail2skins

Anyone ever take pics of the construction of Aliente Station? I saw groundbreaking was over 5 months ago and was wondering about the progress so far.

I saw in on the news 2 or 3 months ago, steel was going up. It's bound to be several floors tall by now.

gmcclenon · #**2962** Posted **Aug 10, 2007, 4:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by MrVegas

Hilton Resorts will be asking the Planning Commission for permission to increase the height of their next tower during the 08-21-2007 meeting.

UC-WS-DR-0807-2007 Hilton Resorts Corporation owner & applicant, a use permit to increase building height & a waiver to encroach into Nellis Air Force Base Air Space. Also a design review for modifications to timeshare hotel. Located on the west side of Las Vegas Blvd., 1,200’ south of Sahara. PC 8-21-2007

Hey MrVegas, I don't see that on the agenda sheet yet!

jazfingr · #**2963** Posted **Aug 10, 2007, 9:19 PM**

The next move by ELAD should be to buy the downtown Plaza and be "front row center" for the new Fremont bridge to the 61 acres. They could then build a new hotel there and name it something different. That would stop this silliness.

Vegas Grows Up · #**2964** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 1:30 AM**

Speaking of pronouncing things properly, I always see people spelling CityCenter as City Center. MGM is sending out cease and desist letters to agent websites who do not spell or capitalize properly. I can understand why they would want it be marketed the proper way. MGM MIRAGE CityCenter. MGM MIRAGE as all capital and CityCenter one word with capital C's.

Many press outlets even get it wrong and post it as MGM Mirage CityCenter, failing to do MIRAGE in capital.

vegasrain84 · #**2965** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 2:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vegas Grows Up

Speaking of pronouncing things properly, I always see people spelling CityCenter as City Center. MGM is sending out cease and desist letters to agent websites who do not spell or capitalize properly. I can understand why they would want it be marketed the proper way. MGM MIRAGE CityCenter. MGM MIRAGE as all capital and CityCenter one word with capital C's.

Many press outlets even get it wrong and post it as MGM Mirage CityCenter, failing to do MIRAGE in capital.

MGM Mirage can go to hell.. I hate people who think that they own the world. These companies are exactly what is wrong with America. These major corporations using their power and influence for their own greedy agenda. Trying to pick a fight with little guys to bully them around. Who cares if someone spells it CityCenter or City Center or Mirage or MIRAGE. It's all symantics and its ridiculous that they are sending out Cease and Desist letters to people who don't spell their name the way they want for their stupid public relations agenda. I hardly ever post anything on here anymore, but this one really made me angry.... Sorry for the rant.

future29 · #**2966** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by jazfingr

Fontainebleau, on the other hand, is a well known and well established resort in Miami. Most folks and employees refer to it as fountain-blue (which is exactly what Fontainebleau means anyway) so, it's ok to shed the french accent.

This is actually incorrect. blue in french is "bleu". seems like people will always be pronouncing this name incorrectly. i dont think bleau means anything in french, however, the word "l'eau" means water.

m0nkyman · #**2967** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 2:50 AM**

And the original reference was probably Paris not Miami.

Vegas Grows Up · #**2968** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 5:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by vegasrain84

MGM Mirage can go to hell.. I hate people who think that they own the world. These companies are exactly what is wrong with America. These major corporations using their power and influence for their own greedy agenda. Trying to pick a fight with little guys to bully them around. Who cares if someone spells it CityCenter or City Center or Mirage or MIRAGE. It's all symantics and its ridiculous that they are sending out Cease and Desist letters to people who don't spell their name the way they want for their stupid public relations agenda. I hardly ever post anything on here anymore, but this one really made me angry.... Sorry for the rant.

I felt the same way you did at first considering I recieved one of these cease and desist letters. With that being said, the trademarked and branded name is not City Center or Citycenter or Project city Center....it is CityCenter or MGM MIRAGE CityCenter.

Whenever I market my website www.VegasGrowsUp.com I want the VGU capitalized...And its not worth 7.4 billion dollars by any means.

Many companies enforce the proper use of their trademarks, fonts, spellings etc.

Vegas Grows Up · #**2969** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 5:52 AM**

I have been doing client walkthroughs at Newport Lofts in downtown and must say I am impressed with the quality. Everything feels right. The lobby features fine woods and a soothing modern waterfountain.

You can see two videos below

Lobby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nle9q8xtdJs

Hallways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Sh3jQx3s

Also here is a picture of Juhl with Streamline in background which was taken from one of my clients units.

MrVegas · #**2970** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 6:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by gmcclenon

Hey MrVegas, I don't see that on the agenda sheet yet!

It will be posted on the Planning Commission agenda sheet next week. If you want to see what is going to posted up to 1 week before it is actually posted, you can look at the town board agendas. The town board agendas only list new items, or items that have major modifications, so the list will not include everything that will be on the planning commission agenda. There are 3 town boards covering the strip, so you will have to look at 3 different agendas. Listed below are links to the 3 town boards. After you click on a link, select "Meeting schedules, agendas & minutes", then select the date you want to view.

Winchester Town Board: http://www.accessclarkcounty.com/adm...erTABindex.htm

Paradise Town Board: http://www.accessclarkcounty.com/adm...seTABindex.htm

Enterprise Town Board: http://www.accessclarkcounty.com/adm...seTABindex.htm

hotdog · #**2971** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 3:00 PM**

The owners of the downtown Plaza must be thrilled with their situation. If they win the lawsuit, Elad will probably pay them tons of money for them to change their name and give Elad rights to the Plaza name in Las Vegas. If they lose the lawsuit, they can later on advertise rooms at the Plaza, and unsuspecting tourists will end up staying at their hotel (or paying for a room and just not showing up). And they won't have to worry about being sued by these tourists, because a judge has ruled that the two Plazas are not confusing. While Vegas regulars will know the difference, infrequent visitors will get duped---just like the tourists who want to eat at a Ray's Pizza in NYC and eat at a fake one.

mdiederi · #**2972** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by jazfingr

The next move by ELAD should be to buy the downtown Plaza and be "front row center" for the new Fremont bridge to the 61 acres. They could then build a new hotel there and name it something different. That would stop this silliness.

I almost wonder if forcing a buyout is what Tamares has in mind, since they seem to be incompetent casino managers and really should get out of the business.

MrVegas · #**2973** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 7:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by hail2skins

Anyone ever take pics of the construction of Aliente Station? I saw groundbreaking was over 5 months ago and was wondering about the progress so far.

jazfingr · #**2974** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by hotdog

The owners of the downtown Plaza must be thrilled with their situation. If they win the lawsuit, Elad will probably pay them tons of money for them to change their name and give Elad rights to the Plaza name in Las Vegas. If they lose the lawsuit, they can later on advertise rooms at the Plaza, and unsuspecting tourists will end up staying at their hotel (or paying for a room and just not showing up). And they won't have to worry about being sued by these tourists, because a judge has ruled that the two Plazas are not confusing. While Vegas regulars will know the difference, infrequent visitors will get duped---just like the tourists who want to eat at a Ray's Pizza in NYC and eat at a fake one.

OK, say your a wealthy person and you wish to book a room at The Plaza, you will expect rates of $300 or more. So, when you're quoted a $59 rate (including a free hot dog and Coke) you will probably realize that you've got the wrong Plaza. I doubt Plaza Las Vegas will get any of The Plaza's unsuspecting guests.

I also don't think that Tamares' complaint will hold water since the names (Plaza Las Vegas and The Plaza) are not the same.

Thanks for the Aliante Station shot, Mr V

northbay · #**2975** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 10:03 PM**

^interesting crane at the aliante station site. never seen anything like that. anybody know what that crane is used for?!?

MrVegas · #**2976** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 7:04 AM**

Trump now has his name in lights on the Las Vegas Strip. Surprisingly, it really isn't any brighter than the nearby Treasure Island lettering.

hotdog · #**2977** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 8:48 AM**

Jazfingr, your website has the Holiday Inn example http://vegastodayandtomorrow.com/whereisthis.htm where tourists get fooled. It happens---not to frequent visitors to Las Vegas, but to people who have never been to Vegas and heard from a friend that "the Plaza is really nice." And both Plaza Las Vegas and the Plaza are going to be referred to as the Plaza. In fact, on your website http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/the-plaza.htm you use the term "Plaza Las Vegas" to refer to both buildings. I doubt one could open up a "Mandalay Bay Las Vegas" and not expect a phone call from some lawyers. And certainly if Elad's Plaza were open first and Tamares attempted to open their one after, Elad would sue and win. And yeah, the free hot dog and coke might give it away, but I know that when I travel to cities such as NYC, sometimes I'll pay $150/night and sometimes I'll pay $600/night for the same hotel room, on different days of the same week. So most people, and all Vegas regulars, will figure it out. But some will get fooled. If you type in Plaza in Google, Tamares is #2 and the Plaza NYC is #3. That might change when the new Plaza opens up, but that's a lot of internet traffic directed towards the cheap Plaza. I bet the downtown Plaza wins the lawsuit (or more likely they settle).

hotdog · #**2978** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 4:34 PM**

The Plaza land deal has closed:
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/glob...42323&fid=1725
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...436400,00.html

Silas · #**2979** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 4:36 PM**

Good Points Hotdog. Only natural for downtown Plaza to make a stand.

If both names co-exist, downtown Plaza would do well to build a fancy web site and charge $400 per room. They would probably get quite a few reservations.

I am sure Elad expected this (otherwise they are dumb) and will pay off. Either pay off downtown Plaza or payoff lawyers/judges making the decisions.

mdiederi · #**2980** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 4:59 PM**

"Plaza" is a really generic name for a hotel. There are "Plaza" hotels in almost every city in America. There's another one in Carson City, Nevada.
They even have a Plaza hotel in Las Vegas, New Mexico, built in 1882 and older than the one in New York.

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Originally Posted by northbay420

^interesting crane at the aliante station site. never seen anything like that. anybody know what that crane is used for?!?

Actually that's just your average extra large crawler crane with the extra jib for reaching really far. In that photo the jib is in the down position which they usually do when they're off duty. It's used for lifting things. There are some others at the big projects on the Strip.