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Old Posted May 7, 2024, 9:07 PM
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The design of those never looked permanent - I guessed that they were temporary supports to facilitate other work going on.
That's an interesting thought. Sure seems like an expensive way to build a temporary support though. You could construct some kind of steel shoring tower where the whole thing wouldn't have to go to waste after.
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Old Posted May 8, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Should parking fines depend on how much your car costs? One councillor is asking
Sliding scale could give low-income drivers a break, says Coun. Shawn Menard

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: May 08, 2024 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 5 hours ago


As the City of Ottawa looks to take over responsibility for parking ticket disputes next year, one councillor wants to look at a sliding scale of penalties that would give low-income drivers a break.

Capital ward Coun. Shawn Menard is asking city staff to examine options, like gearing fines to the driver's income or the value of their vehicle.

"The person that drives the Ferrari and parks at Lansdowne, they may be much more able to afford a parking ticket or may even take that on just knowing they might get a parking ticket there, than someone who's going to a protest for basic income," he said.

"We've had people in our office very upset and crying about going to a basic income protest and getting a ticket there. Their ability to pay was much less than that person in the Ferrari."

He made the proposal just after council's finance and corporate services committee voted in favour of a new penalty system that would take parking ticket challenges out of the courts.

City staff said the current system is "jammed up," and replacing justices of the peace with council-appointed adjudicators will mean faster disputes for residents. Menard also saw it as a chance to experiment.

He said the sliding-scale model is already used for speeding infractions in Finland. While basing fines on income could require co-operation with federal bodies, like the Canada Revenue Agency, Menard thinks there might be alternatives.

"There's other proxies, the blue book values of vehicles for example, that could be looked into," he said. "That's why we're asking staff to explore the options."

Menard said his idea isn't meant to hike maximum fines for higher earners, but would be more likely to cut fines for people who can't afford them.

"If somebody has substantially lower income, say one tenth of what that other person makes, they might pay one tenth of that fine, for example," he said.

"There are different models out there that would allow that person to still feel, I guess, a punishment or a penalty for breaking a rule but still respect the fact that they might not be able to participate as much."

He said his inquiry is focused on parking infractions because they're set by the city, while speeding fines are set by the province.

Menard said the issue seems relevant now, as councillors debate the new penalty regime.

While the committee voted in favour on Tuesday, it will still have to pass at council next week.

The city's chief financial officer Cyril Rodgers said 95 per cent of infractions that go through provincial offences court are speeding camera tickets, red light camera tickets or parking offences.

He's proposing to bring all three in house.

Parking would come first, in the first half of next year, with speeding and red light ticket challenges to follow a few months later. Rodgers said the move would help break the logjam caused by a shortage of justices of the peace.

Instead, the new penalty system would allow residents to dispute tickets in writing to a city employee known as a screening officer, who could reduce or cancel the ticket, or grant an extension.

If drivers still aren't satisfied, they could take the matter in person or virtually to a hearing officer, who would be appointed directly by council and meant to be independent of the city bureaucracy.

Rodgers said that would allow disputes to be heard faster, in a matter of "weeks or months."

But councillors had lots of questions over whether the new system would be fair and free of political influence.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper wondered whether there would be any "guardrails" to prevent council from directing a hearing officer to cancel tickets for political reasons.

"I do like the fact that council can't tell justices of the peace what to do, so we have that strict separation of powers that underlies western liberal democracy," he said. "I would like some comfort that we are prevented from getting involved."

A city lawyer said his preliminary view is that council would potentially run afoul of conflict of interest policies if it intervened in the work of independent adjudicators.

The new system would also come with a conflict of interest policy for all staff involved in the program.

The policy would prevent officers from hearing challenges from relatives or business associates, for example.

Orléans East-Cumberland Coun. Matt Luloff was the only councillor on finance committee to vote against the new system. He said he also favours a faster and more efficient system, but wasn't happy to hear that the decisions of hearing officers would be final, with no chance to appeal further to a court.

"I really don't want to make this decision at the expense of fairness and the ability for people to be able to have their case heard before a provincial justice of the peace," Luloff said.

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Old Posted May 8, 2024, 1:23 PM
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That's an interesting thought. Sure seems like an expensive way to build a temporary support though. You could construct some kind of steel shoring tower where the whole thing wouldn't have to go to waste after.
The one they're installing now on the Aviation Parkway to 417 EB bridge is of a different, steel design.
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[B]Should parking fines depend on how much your car costs? One councillor is asking
Sliding scale could give low-income drivers a break, says Coun. Shawn Menard
Pretty sure justice of peace can already do that if you say "I'm poor and it won't happen again".

They should rather explore issuing fines based on photo evidence submitted by regular people, for some infractions like parking on sidewalks, disabled spaces, bike lanes.
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"Menard said his idea isn't meant to hike maximum fines for higher earners, but would be more likely to cut fines for people who can't afford them."

Leave it to the economically illiterate Menard to take a not half bad idea, and make it completely pointless.

If we're going to charge fines based on income then it's 100% the max that should increase. Being poor isn't an excuse for driving poorly or breaking traffic/vehicle bylaws. As the fines currently aren't that high, and a min fine shouldn't be lower then that
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"Menard said his idea isn't meant to hike maximum fines for higher earners, but would be more likely to cut fines for people who can't afford them."

Leave it to the economically illiterate Menard to take a not half bad idea, and make it completely pointless.

If we're going to charge fines based on income then it's 100% the max that should increase. Being poor isn't an excuse for driving poorly or breaking traffic/vehicle bylaws. As the fines currently aren't that high, and a min fine shouldn't be lower then that
Completely agree. Luxury car owners can already afford parking tickets and thus don't give a damn about the rules, and Menard sounds like he wants to make it so that people driving beaters are afforded the same "privilege".

Soon, nobody will be excluded from parking in front of a hydrant in a no stopping zone in the middle of rush hour!
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Completely agree. Luxury car owners can already afford parking tickets and thus don't give a damn about the rules, and Menard sounds like he wants to make it so that people driving beaters are afforded the same "privilege".

Soon, nobody will be excluded from parking in front of a hydrant in a no stopping zone in the middle of rush hour!
Is there data that shows luxury car owners are more likely to collect infractions?
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Old Posted May 9, 2024, 7:06 PM
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Is there data that shows luxury car owners are more likely to collect infractions?
Not that I know of, but I think any data would be skewed regardless because, anecdotally, ubereats/doordash and other delivery couriers / rideshare drivers commit the highest rate of parking/stopping infractions. This is likely mainly due to the nature of their work as requiring frequent stops and disincentivizing drivers to seek legal parking options in favour of convenience.

I think it’s fair to say that most delivery couriers and rideshare drivers aren’t driving luxury vehicles but I also don’t think you solve anything by making their tickets more affordable apart from encouraging more bad behaviour.
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Is there data that shows luxury car owners are more likely to collect infractions?
Likely not, but anecdotally, you can see the behaviour of some people with over-powered luxury vehicles.
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Likely not, but anecdotally, you can see the behaviour of some people with over-powered luxury vehicles.
There's a couple studies (that I'm aware of) that confirm it:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc.../S221414052030

and

https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/fair...course-traffic
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should parking fines depend on how much your car costs? One councillor is asking
sliding scale could give low-income drivers a break, says coun. Shawn menard

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posted: May 08, 2024 4:00 am edt | last updated: 5 hours ago


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ange-1.7196856
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Old Posted May 16, 2024, 1:14 AM
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City council approves new penalty system for parking and automated camera tickets
Under the current model, anyone disputing a ticket has to wait for an appearance in Provincial Offences Court before a justice of the peace.

Abyssinia Abebe, Ottawa Citizen
Published May 15, 2024 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 3 minute read


Ottawa city council gave the green light to a new penalty system for parking and automated camera tickets, marking a shift from the existing model.

Council approved the new Administrative Penalty System (APS) with only two councillors voting against the motion.

The new system, run by the city, will replace the current provincial model for handling parking bylaw infractions and automated camera-based offences, including offences caught by the city’s automated speed enforcement and red-light cameras.

Ticket volumes for parking and camera programs surged by 45 per cent in 2023 and are projected to increase by 108 per cent in 2024 and 38 per cent in 2025.

Under the current model, anyone disputing a ticket has to wait for an appearance in Provincial Offences Court before a justice of the peace. That can mean a months-long wait, in some cases even leading to tickets being thrown out because of the delay.

While the current penalty system implies a quasi-criminal monetary penalty process, paid only after a person admits guilt or is found guilty by a court proceeding, the new system promises faster and more convenient service to residents, a City of Ottawa report states.

The growth in the number of tickets issued implies there could be a corresponding increase in trial demands, with an estimated additional 15,000 trial requests expected in 2024 and 12,000 in 2025, the city report reads.

With the new city system, the person ticketed can instead request a review by a screening officer, a city employee who has the power to cancel the ticket if they believe the case wasn’t proven, or in cases of financial hardship, can reduce the fine or give the defendant more time to pay.

Ottawa will join more than 15 municipalities across Ontario, including Toronto, Hamilton, Mississauga and Brampton, in adopting an Administrative Penalty System.

According to the city’s report, adopting the new penalty system is expected to reduce ticket-processing costs by 35 per cent and free up provincial offences courts, thereby allowing provincial offences courts to prioritize more serious matters.

Despite a one-time startup cost of $1.57 million, the city estimates that the APS will be fully funded by ticket revenue.

However, not all councillors were in agreement with the decision. Orléans East-Cumberland Coun. Matthew Luloff and Orléans West-Innes Coun. Laura Dudas voted against the motion, raising concerns about the impartiality of city adjudicators who will be replacing justices of the peace once the bylaw comes into force.

“Somebody who’s working for the City of Ottawa, who’s paid by the City of Ottawa, essentially deciding whether or not you owe money to the City of Ottawa … I think that’s a massive conflict of interest,” Luloff said.

Another concern, Luloff added, is that people won’t be able to appeal to an impartial higher power like the justices of the peace.

“The right to appeal to a provincial justice of the peace is something that should be preserved,” he added.

According to Luloff, the overload on the court system should be handled by the province.

“If the province has an issue with not having enough justices of the peace, then the province should hire more,” Luloff said. “This is just another example of an administrative download on the City of Ottawa.”

The Administrative Penalty System for parking tickets is set to come into force by the second quarter of 2025, and speeding and red light camera tickets by the end of 2025.

With files from Blair Crawford

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...camera-tickets
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New bike lanes proposed for Maitland Avenue overpass
The Highway 417 overpass is due to be replaced by the provincial ministry of transportation in 2027.

Ken Warren, Ottawa Citizen
Published May 16, 2024 • Last updated 53 minutes ago • 2 minute read


The wheels are in motion to secure a safe cycling path over Highway 417 in the city’s west end.

The city of Ottawa is considering a $5.4 million project to add designated cycling lanes over the Maitland Avenue overpass, part of a partnership with the Ontario government related to ongoing bridge enhancement plans.

The overpass is due to be replaced by the provincial ministry of transportation in 2027. The province will cover all other costs related to the reconstruction.

Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney, head of the city’s transportation committee, says it’s logical to add cycling infrastructure as part of the city’s Transportation Master Plan plan, an effort to “re-design the city” for purposes it wasn’t originally designed for.

There is usually heavy traffic crossing the Maitland overpass, as well as those at Woodroffe and Pinecrest. It creates an unsafe area for cyclists and pedestrians attempting to go north and south along Maitland. To avoid the overpass from the north, the alternatives include an extended detour off the side streets connected to Carling Ave. Tierney labels it as a “pinch point.”

With Maitland Avenue next in line for an upgrade by the province, Tierney says the time is right to add the additional lanes.

The plan would include two-metre-wide lanes, along with concrete buffers on both sides and concrete sidewalks for pedestrian traffic, connecting to Riddell Avenue.

None of the other nearby overpasses — including Woodroffe Avenue, Pinecrest Avenue and Richmond Road — have cycling infrastructure.

A new multi-purpose bridge, crossing the 417 south at Baxter Road to the future Queensview Station north on Stage 2 of the LRT line, was completed in 2023. That bridge, however, will not be opened for pedestrians and cyclists until the LRT line is finally opened. The latest projection for completion is late 2026.

“If you go back six years, we’ve been talking about this for a long time,” said Dave Robertson, vice-president of Bike Ottawa, an organization that has long campaigned for a “more liveable city” that opens the door for more recreational options.

“All the overpasses were lacking safe space for cyclists. This one (at Maitland) is the next in line to be rebuilt, so it makes sense. This is a good step forward.”

Funding for cycling pursuits is typically a polarizing debate, often pitting car and truck drivers against those who prefer to travel on two wheels. Given the housing and food affordability crises, there are also loud suggestions that money could be better spent elsewhere.

Tierney argues that the proposal also serves the safety of vehicle drivers and that the idea of eventually building safe multi-use recreational paths across the Queensway has been in the works since 2014.

A similar multi-purpose bridge along Cyrville Road was built for $5 million in 2010.

The city’s Transportation Committee will vote on the proposal on May 23. If approved, it will move on to full council on May 29.

kwarren@postmedia.com

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...venue-overpass
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"The city of Ottawa is considering a $5.4 million project to add designated cycling lanes over the Maitland Avenue overpass.."

This should also have been done for the newly built Vanier Parkway overpass.
Sadly, it was not.


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I attended public consultation for this 6 years ago. Incredible.

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This should also have been done for the newly built Vanier Parkway overpass.
Sadly, it was not.
Need to start talking about it 10 years in advance.

I was at the public consultation for this 6 years ago.

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