Sinclair Centre Redevelopment

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

It's old found some archived pages on their website around 2017-2018 with those images. But the 2015 inquiry also mentioned 100,000 sq m while the most recent ones are talking about 125-150,000 at max buildout..

I'm not sure they are. The document says:

4.1 Project Size, Scale and Functional Planning Site: approx. 6,200sm

Site Master Planning: approx.. 125-150,000sm gfa

Schematic Design: approx. 75,000sm
Occupancy:

Office Space for Government of Canada (Private / Special Purpose, Semi-Private / Public Facing)
– approx. 65,000sm

o Generic Office Space: approx. 40,000sm (approx 10% public facing component)
o Special Purpose Office Space: approx. 25,000sm
o Approx 3,000 work points for 6,000 ftes
o Approx 15 departments (ranging from 2,000-15,000sm each)

Ground Floor: Retail – approx. 3,000sm

Parking: approx. 1-2 levels of underground bike parking, car parking and loading (approx.200 cars, 15 van/truck loading spaces, 1000 bikes / end of trip facilities).

So to me, that reads that the site could theoretically hold 125-150,000sm, but the Government is only looking for around 75,000 of space, including 65,000 office and 3,000 retail.

I guess it'll be clearer once there's more work done.

It's worth noting that it's the QE viewcone that affects the site, which has in the past been allowed to be breached. I'm not sure whether that might be possible here, and if so, what height they could reach before the next viewcone impacts the site.

[jollyburger]

Here's the view cone for 320 Granville's application back in 2012. It lists:

12.2 Granville Bridge MP - 128.76
E1 Cambie Bridge - 112.19
9.1 Cambie @ 10th - 119.54
9.2.2 Cambie @ 12th - 118.01

https://web.archive.org/web/20191105.../views_000.pdf

The Harbour Centre top obstructs a lot into the Cambie Bridge E1 viewcone so that would probably be "too tall"



https://vancouver.ca/home-property-d...cted-view.aspx

[jollyburger]

Here's some of the drone footage they used to create that 3D model of Sinclair Centre

• Video Link

[LeftCoaster]

I fully expect this tower to punch through the viewcones, but not to be some supertall or anything crazy like that.

I'd expect something similar in height to the Stack or maybe a big shorter.

*This is all just a wild ass guess.

[Metro-One]

Really hope your right! Such a tower doesn't need to be the tallest in the city, something between 150m and 170m would be amazing for the location (heck, even something between 130 to 150 would be refreshing).

[jollyburger]

The newest renderings of the wood frame tower

[madog222]

Do you have any source for where these are from?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

Do you have any source for where these are from?

It's just a public document from PSPC. I was just curious if someone runs a story about it if they will finally credit SSP

[Prometheus]

Good lord.

It’s impossible to tell for sure, but according to this rendering, it looks like at least one (but possibly two) of the four historic buildings would likely be demolished while a bizarre set of balconies (or something) will be grafted onto the beautiful facade of another.

[trofirhen]

Yikes! Sure, I like wood-frame buildings as much as anybody, but here is a disaster (IMHO ). It clashes with the existing period architecture, sort of like apples and shoe polish. No, please, not here.

[madog222]

I'm guessing that design is two square/rectangular wings connected at the central core, not an 'L'. The north side being more or less mirrored of what is shown on the south with the Customs building on the north corner largely intact. I doubt losing the Public Building will cause anyone to lose sleep especially since the streetscape there drastically needs the improvement. Hopefully they are serious about removing the overpass to Granville Square.

As for those balconies, that's probably just a modeling mistake copying the one from the 2nd floor to those above.

[Migrant_Coconut]

So long as the Customs Warehouse is fine, I'm happy. The Federal building can go duck itself.

[Klazu]

Ugh, that's one fugly proposal. I hope it doesn't fly.

[jollyburger]

I just noticed that the lobby/plaza area on the corner (where the federal building is) would have columns that extend all the way to the height of the clock tower/post office building. You can also see it notches back which I assume sort of matches where it goes back to meet the Customs Examining House building.

I think that white overhang over the Customs Examining House is being used to mimic the old roofline? Because it seems like they will lop off the top of it and just keep the facade? It also seems like that the section of the building over the Customs building is actually taller than whatever is over the towers. You can see the roofline of something behind the public elevator core section.

[TwoFace]

Can't say anything good about that redevelopment plan, some things need to be just left alone.

[seamusmcduff]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Good lord.

It’s impossible to tell for sure, but according to this rendering, it looks like at least one (but possibly two) of the four historic buildings would likely be demolished while a bizarre set of balconies (or something) will be grafted onto the beautiful facade of another.

Yeah that's what I'm seeing too. A complete tragedy if those facades are replaced with some random columns and glass.

I don't necessarily have a problem with facadism if done well, but these buildings are absolutely worth saving in some fashion.

[Vin]

This is awful. People need to rise up to protest this.

I knew they were going to destroy the heritage elements.

[jollyburger]

I guess that thing on top of the Customs building was a recent addition which is why they are lopping it off.



https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/...rd-cpr-station

[Migrant_Coconut]

TIL the Customs roof is actually an extension... yup, that's a goner.

[madog222]

That's from the original Sinclair Centre project in the 80s.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I think that white overhang over the Customs Examining House is being used to mimic the old roofline? Because it seems like they will lop off the top of it and just keep the facade? It also seems like that the section of the building over the Customs building is actually taller than whatever is over the towers. You can see the roofline of something behind the public elevator core section.

Do you mean the R.V. Winch building on the west corner? I don't see any of the Customs Examining building on the north corner in those renders.