Kapyong Barracks Discussion

[Wpgstvsouth94]

All the army houses on the west side are long gone already. I wonder what kind of agreement the city came up with the province in regards to the detention center.

[trueviking]

Widening Kenaston will only happen if the Federal Government pays for a significant amount of it. They’ve already been rejected twice. Even then, the staggering cost for a city that is broke and unable to take on more road building debt, it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

[1ajs]

then the city needs to be less car centrick and build on its true advantage that it didnt make the same mistakes as other major cities......

and in reality 59 should get higher priority for proper interchanges over rout 90 in an area thats right up to houses...........

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Widening Kenaston will only happen if the Federal Government pays for a significant amount of it. They’ve already been rejected twice. Even then, the staggering cost for a city that is broke and unable to take on more road building debt, it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Well then, someone should make some noise.

[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by OTA in Winnipeg

Well then, someone should make some noise.

Everyone in Winnipeg should get a say in this, so we should have a referendum.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

then the city needs to be less car centrick and build on its true advantage that it didnt make the same mistakes as other major cities......

and in reality 59 should get higher priority for proper interchanges over rout 90 in an area thats right up to houses...........

There are no interchanges proposed on rt 90 on that stretch. This is just talking about adding a 3rd lane in each direction, improving intersections, and reconstructing the entirety of the st james bridges which is needed regardless of the widening.

[thebasketballgeek]

Hypothetically if instead of adding new car lanes on route 90 we went ahead and used that expansion for rapid transit instead would there be a higher chance to receive federal funding?

Considering Quebec City will get $1.2 billion and Hamilton will get $1.7 billion in funding from the feds for their respective LRT lines it would be natural to provide Winnipeg with similar funding.

Going slightly off-topic but the estimated cost of our future RT plan is $1.1 billion. How much more would it cost to include a 6km stretch of dedicated corridor between Polo and Outlet with a few stops including the barracks?

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

then the city needs to be less car centrick and build on its true advantage that it didnt make the same mistakes as other major cities......

and in reality 59 should get higher priority for proper interchanges over rout 90 in an area thats right up to houses...........

If you are talking about freeways yes and no, our arterial roads should have been better developed and yeah new freeways through existing residential is bad!

Trouble is the city never expanded on what was already there, take Lag. for example, built in 1966 and adequate when the city was 500K but no longer can meet the traffic demands of a city of 850K, a third should have been added 20 years ago as well as making it free flowing!

[Winnipeg Grump]

We need to be a bit more accurate on the population numbers. 2020 pop for 'Winnipeg' is a hair under 775K. You have to include the broader CMA to get up to 850K.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Hypothetically if instead of adding new car lanes on route 90 we went ahead and used that expansion for rapid transit instead would there be a higher chance to receive federal funding?

Considering Quebec City will get $1.2 billion and Hamilton will get $1.7 billion in funding from the feds for their respective LRT lines it would be natural to provide Winnipeg with similar funding.

Going slightly off-topic but the estimated cost of our future RT plan is $1.1 billion. How much more would it cost to include a 6km stretch of dedicated corridor between Polo and Outlet with a few stops including the barracks?

Screw RT. We need to catch up with years of neglect on our road system and bring everything to modern standard. Winnipeg will always be a car city with our awful winters.

[3de14eec6a]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Screw RT. We need to catch up with years of neglect on our road system and bring everything to modern standard. Winnipeg will always be a car city with our awful winters.

With attitudes like yours, sure.

Fuck poor people, I guess?

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by 3de14eec6a

With attitudes like yours, sure.

Fuck poor people, I guess?

No I didn’t say that. We should be in the realm of LRT by now. The transit we have functions fine for what it does. Our roads have been neglected long enough. Enough is enough already. People don’t realize that adding interchanges to key interchanges like bishop and st Mary’s will greatly speed up both bus times and car times.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Screw RT. We need to catch up with years of neglect on our road system and bring everything to modern standard. Winnipeg will always be a car city with our awful winters.

Uhmm maybe you believe Winnipeg will always be a car city because you are most likely in a car-centric neighborhood in the St. Vital area 20 minutes away from the inner city. And you do realize there are 8 months of the year when it’s not winter? What’s stopping you from using another mode of transportation when it’s 20 degrees in May or in this beautiful October?

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

No I didn’t say that. We should be in the realm of LRT by now. The transit we have functions fine for what it does. Our roads have been neglected long enough. Enough is enough already. People don’t realize that adding interchanges to key interchanges like bishop and st Mary’s will greatly speed up both bus times and car times.

I’m not sure if u realize this but adding an interchange there will only increase traffic in that area through induced demand which will cause even longer commute times. The most effective way to reduce traffic and lower commute times is to get cars off the road which would be done with additions of other modes of transportation such as RT expansion.

Can you also provide any evidence that an interchange will speed up bus times? There is no way that a bus sharing a road with cars would be faster or more efficient then a dedicated corridor.

[optimusREIM]

Guys, this isn’t a zero sum game. Turns out we should probably be doing both. Just look at any other major city and they have good road networks as well as good rapid transit. They’re both necessary and complimentary.

[Winnipeg Grump]

I get the attitude of the car-centric folks, and most of us on here like seeing BIG roadwork projects, but I'd love to see one of those people that argue that more lanes and interchanges will magically solve our congestion issues provide a study that counters the MANY studies that have been done on induced demand.

[thurmas]

This city is broke and we have a provincial pc government who has zero interest in doing anything for Winnipeg since being elected. They are not going to find hundreds of millions all of a sudden to widen kenaston and enlargen the st James bridge. This will not happen for atleast the next 5 years if not longer. We live in Winnipeg where a cheap Frankenstein band aid solution will be found which will likely just be resurfacing the road and adding more red lights because this is Winnipeg and city council loves nothing more than additional red lights to stop traffic flow.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Guys, this isn’t a zero sum game. Turns out we should probably be doing both. Just look at any other major city and they have good road networks as well as good rapid transit. They’re both necessary and complimentary.

^^^This is exactly the answer. The only problem is we have no answer as how to get to this answer.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

I wonder what kind of agreement the city came up with the province in regards to the detention center.

No inside knowledge on what agreement might be in place regarding the youth detention center. That said it is also hard to overlook that women's corrections recently built a large new facility north of Portage Ave in Headingly. Relocating youth corrections to Headingly would definitely allow for better pooling of resources such as transfers to courts and crisis response units.

My thinking is they may replace the current facility on Kennaston with two new facilities, female youth and male youth, and location both them adjacent to the Women's facility to build a built of a corrections campus. Obviously have some planned spacing between the different facilities but could also have a single larger perimeter surrounding the three.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by CoryB

No inside knowledge on what agreement might be in place regarding the youth detention center. That said it is also hard to overlook that women's corrections recently built a large new facility north of Portage Ave in Headingly. Relocating youth corrections to Headingly would definitely allow for better pooling of resources such as transfers to courts and crisis response units.

My thinking is they may replace the current facility on Kennaston with two new facilities, female youth and male youth, and location both them adjacent to the Women's facility to build a built of a corrections campus. Obviously have some planned spacing between the different facilities but could also have a single larger perimeter surrounding the three.

I have heard a rumour about moving it to Headingley behind the Women's prison. I have done some work on both of the Headingley jails, and this is what someone on the maintenance staff told me, so not super reliable. However, they do own a lot of land in Headingley. Also the rumoured plan is to scrap Agassiz jail in Portage.

One thing to consider would be visitation access. There is no bus service to the Headingley Women's jail. Nobody cares about visiting adults, but parents should have access to their kids.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by plrh

One thing to consider would be visitation access. There is no bus service to the Headingley Women's jail. Nobody cares about visiting adults, but parents should have access to their kids.

In terms of visitation access it would be fairly easy to setup a 15 person van or similar to do a pickup run for the Unicity bus terminal to the correction facility and just have people pre-booking.

In terms of the corrections campus, it actually wouldn't be a surprise if the really long term model includes a concept of building a new adult male corrections facility on the campus.