ATLANTA TRANSIT (Marta, Beltline, Peachtree Streetcar, LovJoy Commuter, etc...) - Page 272

Libertarian · #**5421** Posted **Sep 16, 2023, 10:26 PM**

I have a point of view, just like you.
Don't cancel me.

MarketsWork · #**5422** Posted **Sep 17, 2023, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Mods, please ban Libertarian for his persistent disregard of facts, ie the 2016 approved $2.5 billion More MARTA funds and derailing threads to his own made up reality. He’s just not adding value here and hasn’t been for years.

Why would you want to silence someone for having an opinion that's different from yours? At some point, we all may find ourselves in small minorities on some issues, and appreciate more grace from those who disagree with us and might not see value in our participation. It's a long life, and there is value in agreeable disagreement.

Username123 · #**5423** Posted **Sep 17, 2023, 8:18 PM**

Not really a difference of opinion when someone is repeating things that are false even after being shown so. This is a transit thread. Not really the place to blab about how one doesn’t support public transit. If you don’t support it that’s fine but you don’t really have much to add here if that’s the case. Especially past the first time it’s mentioned- we know how you feel, it doesn’t need repeating.

Libertarian · #**5424** Posted **Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM**

I'm not a hard Libertarian. Public transit has a place in the community. I'm generally supportive of micro busing innovations, BRT and light rail in many instances; just not on the beltline. I support heavy rail from downtown to Truist Park. Funding source is always a practical consideration to be discussed.

Libertarian · #**5425** Posted **Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM**

I appreciate the chance to express my opinion here. Bear with me.

Street Advocate · #**5426** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 2:08 AM**

It’s not an opinion that the city of Atlanta passed a $2.5 billion tax generating legislation in 2016 and are applying it to the streetcar extension on the BeltLine to Ponce. Stop saying otherwise.

Libertarian · #**5427** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 2:44 AM**

You can say the beltline rail is funded 'til you're blue in the face, but I don't believe it. Show me the funding details.

RATBOYKEV · #**5428** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 1:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

Show me the funding details.

Regularly updated site showing all More MARTA projects, cost, timeline, & funding sources. Took 10 seconds of searching

shivtim · #**5429** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 1:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

You can say the beltline rail is funded 'til you're blue in the face, but I don't believe it. Show me the funding details.

I think people wouldn't be giving you such a hassle if you did a bit of Googling, or looked at things that were previously posted. Anyway, Page 25 outlines exactly how it will be paid for in each upcoming fiscal year:

https://www.itsmarta.com/uploadedFil...ersion_RCM.pdf

This aligns with the projects the MARTA board prioritized, which I previously posted a link to in response to your inquiry. Combine that with the recent announcement that engineering is at 30% and they've executed a contract to get the engineering to 100%.

YAY0 · #**5430** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 1:06 PM**

If he can't do a quick google search, what makes you think he'll click on those links lol? Even if he does, he'll say the numbers don't add up or I'll believe it when I see it....

Atlurbsandspices · #**5431** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 2:19 PM**

Whatever happened to the Irwin St closure study? It's coming up on a year

Libertarian · #**5432** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 2:32 PM**

Where's the money?

Atlurbsandspices · #**5433** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 2:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

Where's the money?

But people have been talking about the Streetcar East extension

Libertarian · #**5434** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 2:57 PM**

It started out there, but we've been talking about "beltline rail".

montydawg · #**5435** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

It started out there, but we've been talking about "beltline rail".

I remember the days when this thread was filled with optimism- optimism about a future with rail from stonecrest to windward. Rail from Athens to Macon. Now we are discussing billions for busses in Gwinnett and ART in atlanta. Maybe we can reminisce about happier times filled with hope and optimism.

Libertarian · #**5436** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 3:08 PM**

The near-term future is stagflation. It's a dream killer.

Atlurbsandspices · #**5437** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by shivtim

Huh? Yes, the streetcar extension from Jackson street up the Beltline to Ponce is funded. It's in the MARTA budget and the board of directors approved it.

Frankly if anyone introduced confusion with this terminology it was you, but even then, shivtim addressed this expressly and the spreadsheet you are taking issue with bears out what he claimed.

I don't want you banned, but truthfully you do not look honest here.

Libertarian · #**5438** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 3:37 PM**

So we can all agree the beltline rail is not "funded"? Just maybe a mile from Jackson St. to Ponce? And even that is just on paper, likely not even shovel ready?

Atlurbsandspices · #**5439** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

The eastside beltline rail buildout is funded? Really? I must have missed that one. Or you mean the eastside street rail on Edgewood? Beltline rail will not happen this century and I'm fine with that.

Sure, as long you acknowledge that what you said here, and what everyone else has spent days refuting, was wrong

Street Advocate · #**5440** Posted **Sep 18, 2023, 3:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlurbsandspices

Sure, as long you acknowledge that what you said here, and what everyone else has spent days refuting, was wrong

Lmao right??

Mods, ban Libertarian. A complete waste of our time here. At least warn him and put on extended suspension. This is ridiculous.