WINNIPEG | Portage Place Redevelopment - Page 65

dmacc · #**1281** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

That was the idea on 300 Main too...

haha, fair point but I trust TNRD and PCL, based on their track record, a little more then Marwest(?) or whoever it was who built that.

Wpg_Guy · #**1282** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:05 PM**

With PCL as the contractor these towers will fly up.

drew · #**1283** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by dmacc

haha, fair point but I trust TNRD and PCL, based on their track record, a little more then Marwest(?) or whoever it was who built that.

Honestly it will depend a lot on if they want to go with a higher tower than originally conceived on the existing foundation (i.e. taller residential tower on foundation designed for a shorter, more heavily loaded office tower)

This is what happened at 300 Main, and it required some significant and time consuming reinforcing of the existing elevator core before the rest of the tower could rise.

Biff · #**1284** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:33 PM**

Apparently the medical tower is pretty straight forward with using the existing foundations.

The residential will require some more creative engineering for the west pad...again it was designed for an office tower much like 300 Main.

FactaNV · #**1285** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Apparently the medical tower is pretty straight forward with using the existing foundations.

The residential will require some more creative engineering for the west pad...again it was designed for an office tower much like 300 Main.

With PCL on it I imagine it won't take too long for them to figure out the necessary upgrades. The fact that only half needs upgrades is still a major win.

drew · #**1286** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by FactaNV

With PCL on it I imagine it won't take too long for them to figure out the necessary upgrades. The fact that only half needs upgrades is still a major win.

You are confusing PCL for structural engineers.

I don't doubt their construction abilities, and contractors are definitely a part of the process to come up with a reasonable design - but ultimately they are following a set of drawings.

NewIreland · #**1287** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:48 PM**

Does anyone have the inside scoop re the Fairmont? What are the chances of a new tower being built? Can they add more floors? Will they reconfigure the entrance to make way for the BRT station?

FactaNV · #**1288** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

You are confusing PCL for structural engineers.

I don't doubt their construction abilities, and contractors are definitely a part of the process to come up with a reasonable design - but ultimately they are following a set of drawings.

My mistake, I was under the impression PCL had in house engineers/managed any sub contracts on that to their standards.

WinCitySparky · #**1289** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 8:31 PM**

Now all we need is a positive announcement on the 300 St Mary’s Ave project and it’s a grand slam for downtown

FactaNV · #**1290** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 9:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Now all we need is a positive announcement on the 300 St Mary’s Ave project and it’s a grand slam for downtown

Manifest gentlemen, manifest.

Wpg_Guy · #**1291** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by NewIreland

Does anyone have the inside scoop re the Fairmont? What are the chances of a new tower being built? Can they add more floors? Will they reconfigure the entrance to make way for the BRT station?

You can expect a plaza redevelopment and interior renovation to public spaces and rooms, don’t expect much for the exterior.

Danny D Oh · #**1292** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by FactaNV

My mistake, I was under the impression PCL had in house engineers/managed any sub contracts on that to their standards.

They do.

1ajs · #**1293** Posted **Apr 5, 2024, 10:39 PM**

whats going to happen to the old city hall clock inside atrium?

bomberjet · #**1294** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 2:27 PM**

PCL are not design engineers. They have full suite of professional construction support people. Aka engineers.

The TNSE / PCL relationship has worked out very well for both sides.

Wpg_Guy · #**1295** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 3:12 PM**

Architecture49 are the lead architects on this development.

1ajs · #**1296** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 3:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

Architecture49 are the lead architects on this development.

arnt they smith carter?

bodaggin · #**1297** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 4:01 PM**

Hang on here. GoM is paying $77m a year in LEASING fees for this "health center"? Over the 35yr stated that's $2.7 billion. In expensed lease fees, zero equity for GoM.

In layman's terms, you could rebuild the entire HSC for $2.7B.

Who's operating this center? Gov? Private?

The pressers are vague, is this $77m/yr for leasing only? Or including all services, labor, HCW's, and equipment for operating a center? If it's leasing only, this is the biggest corruption in MB history.

Wpg_Guy · #**1298** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by bodaggin

Hang on here. GoM is paying $77m a year in LEASING fees for this "health center"? Over the 35yr stated that's $2.7 billion. In expensed lease fees, zero equity for GoM.

In layman's terms, you could rebuild the entire HSC for $2.7B.

Who's operating this center? Gov? Private?

The pressers are vague, is this $77m/yr for leasing only? Or including all services, labor, HCW's, and equipment for operating a center? If it's leasing only, this is the biggest corruption in MB history.

No it’s not for leasing only it’s the total operational cost to run the new health centre which includes the lease.

bodaggin · #**1299** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

No it’s not for leasing only it’s the total operational cost to run the new health centre which includes the lease.

So who's operating it then? MB Health/Shared Health/WRHA?

If so why are they wasting money on leasing, and not building equity? Makes no sense.

They mention Pan Am Clinic is involved. How, if Gov is the operator? And how much? Who else isn't being mentioned? The whole thing is very murky and expensive.

MB Health needs to stop building hospitals and health centers downtown. Cap St B and HSC too. Maintain them, but no more expansions. Start building hospitals on the outskirts where it costs 3x less, construction is 3x faster, access is easy, and there's room to expand.

MB Health should be adopting the McDonalds model. Own the RE. It's free money.

Hecate · #**1300** Posted **Apr 6, 2024, 6:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by bodaggin

So who's operating it then? MB Health/Shared Health/WRHA?

If so why are they wasting money on leasing, and not building equity? Makes no sense.

They mention Pan Am Clinic is involved. How, if Gov is the operator? And how much? Who else isn't being mentioned? The whole thing is very murky and expensive.

MB Health needs to stop building hospitals and health centers downtown. Cap St B and HSC too. Maintain them, but no more expansions. Start building hospitals on the outskirts where it costs 3x less, construction is 3x faster, access is easy, and there's room to expand.

MB Health should be adopting the McDonalds model. Own the RE. It's free money.

Yup, more taxpayers money for Canadas richest man.