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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 1:20 PM
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 4:11 PM
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This is not good.

http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/05/2...-within-party/

That being said...Ford himself doesn't exactly have a great track record in terms of combatting anti-Semitism.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 5:57 PM
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As I stated way back, it will be an NDP majority and the Liberals will have a Kim Campbell moment which they richly deserve.

The centre leftéleft vote were bidding their time waiting to see who would begin to rally, the NDP or the Liberals. If it was the Liberals then it would have been a Tory majority as many traditional Liberals would have stayed at home or plugged their noses and voted for Ford.............anything to get rid of disliked Wynne and the tired and corrupt Liberals.

Thankfully that did not happen and itès the NDP that began the rally and their support is mushrooming as Liberals defect and soft-Tories who would have voted Tory for anyone except Ford, are also heading to the NDP. This surge will not subside but rather continue to build because Ford has yet to release his policy manual and try to explain how he will not cut any jobs, any services, any infrastructure, cut $11 billion in tax revenue, and yet miraculously balance the books. So far all he has done he proclaim all the great things he is going to do but has yet to release how he will afford them which is the easy part and hence his numbers will contiue to fall when he has to present the hard part.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 6:09 PM
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mostly because Ford is a revolting and amoral person.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 6:19 PM
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NDP may indded be surging into the lead but this Forum looks like a junk poll (NDP getting 57% in SW Ontario????) Still it looks like the NDP is eating up the Liberal vote.
The 57% NDP support in SW Ontario actually doesn`t surprise at all. Despite Torontonian`s views that SWO is conservative/red neck farming country, that is not based in fact. As a ex-Londoner I can attest that despite London`s conservative reputation, it has NEVER been a conservative stronghold.

Londoners politically have always been centre left and the Tories have never gotten a foothold in the city both provincially and federally. Of course Greater Windsor has always been a bastion of NDP while KWC seems to be a bit more centrist than London or Windsor. The difference this time is that the centrist and centre/right voters are heading straight to the NDP and hence Liberal support is being decimated and the Tories are losing support as well 100% due to Ford being leader.

Remember as well that many of the region`s secondary cities have always had a strong NDP base. Guelph has always been socially liberal and Sarnia and Brantford are key industrial cities. Even the smaller centres have had traditional strong NDP support. Chatham and Woodstock are industrial towns, Stratford has it`s artistic progressive bent, and St.Thomas has always been industrial and is becoming home to more liberal London commuters.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 9:42 PM
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Do the PCs just not get it?

All they had to do was run a relatively bland candidate with a centrist platform and they would have inherited Ontario. People were sick of the Liberals.

Instead, we got Doug Ford promising everything to everybody with no detailed plan less than 2 weeks from the election.

Are they so out of tune with Ontario?
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 10:27 PM
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The 57% NDP support in SW Ontario actually doesn`t surprise at all. Despite Torontonian`s views that SWO is conservative/red neck farming country, that is not based in fact. As a ex-Londoner I can attest that despite London`s conservative reputation, it has NEVER been a conservative stronghold.

Londoners politically have always been centre left and the Tories have never gotten a foothold in the city both provincially and federally. Of course Greater Windsor has always been a bastion of NDP while KWC seems to be a bit more centrist than London or Windsor. The difference this time is that the centrist and centre/right voters are heading straight to the NDP and hence Liberal support is being decimated and the Tories are losing support as well 100% due to Ford being leader.

Remember as well that many of the region`s secondary cities have always had a strong NDP base. Guelph has always been socially liberal and Sarnia and Brantford are key industrial cities. Even the smaller centres have had traditional strong NDP support. Chatham and Woodstock are industrial towns, Stratford has it`s artistic progressive bent, and St.Thomas has always been industrial and is becoming home to more liberal London commuters.
I can believe they're doing well - even in the lead - but 57% across all of SW Ontario?. That's more than they get in their stronghold of Windsor!

You're right though about the strength of the NDP there - a lot of places in SWO that are thought of "rural" actually have a lot of industry. Because of the industrial presence, SW Ontario has been stronger for the NDP than Eastern Ontario, even outside the big cities.

I can see a seat like Perth-Wellington for instance go NDP if things go well enough.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 10:52 PM
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Well Ford sure dislikes this Forum poll:

https://twitter.com/JohnLorinc/statu...98044531036160
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 11:04 PM
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It sure seems what I predicted earlier is coming true at this point.

The NDP is adding areas where they may pick up seats from quite a few current Liberal and even some current PC ridings:

(these are the very recent gains)

-in Peel Region they will probably win ALL five of the Brampton seats and possibly 3 of 6 Mississauga seats.

-the more rural seats surrounding Hamilton that aren't currently NDP (Flamborough-Glanbrook, Hamilton West-Ancaster-Dundas and also likely is St. Catharines)

-in Durham Region they currently only have Oshawa but will probably add Durham electoral district and possibly Ajax. Maybe one more riding if the surge is huge.

-in Simcoe County they have a possible chance at one or two of the Barrie and area ridings with a last minute surge (and don't forget that Patrick Brown is from this area)

-Peterborough, two seats in that area (if they win government) Peterborough is the ultimate bellweather place.

-Kingston and maybe a riding or two between there and the GTA (the riding that includes Belleville for example)

-in Ottawa (likely one but possibly two or three)

- a possible sweep of Southwestern cities (Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge, Guelph, London, Chatham, Sarnia) instead of just winning most of the seats in those places (and they already have all of the seats in Windsor)

-Sault Ste. Marie (NDP for sure now)

-Thunder Bay (the Liberal cabinet ministers may be defeated)

-Sudbury (NDP for sure now)

-in Toronto possibly 2 or 3 Scarborough ridings


I think we could even add a few more places with the way things are going.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 11:09 PM
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Bay of Quinte is apparently a serious or at least semi-serious target for the NDP.
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There's quite a bit of "Loyalist Liberals" as I call them in the stretch between Trenton and Kingston. If the NDP can get that demographic, not only is Kingston a lock, Bay of Quinte and even Hastings-Lennox and Addington become competitive for them.
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https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

35.9% for supermajority 70 seats, not bad!

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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 12:27 AM
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Yeah, the PCs have a structural advantage in the electorate.
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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 12:40 AM
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There's quite a bit of "Loyalist Liberals" as I call them in the stretch between Trenton and Kingston. If the NDP can get that demographic, not only is Kingston a lock, Bay of Quinte and even Hastings-Lennox and Addington become competitive for them.
The political difference between the Quinte/Northumberland area and east of Kingston is interesting.
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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 12:54 AM
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Yeah, the PCs have a structural advantage in the electorate.
Yeah, too bad, the NDP needs to get at least 40% to secure a slim majority.
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https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

35.9% for supermajority 70 seats, not bad!

70 isn't a supermajority.. it's only 7 seats above the majority threshold.
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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 2:04 AM
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A supermajority is 2/3rds of the seats, which is 82.
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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 2:09 AM
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Worth a read - Eastern Ontario has not elected an NDP MPP since the Rae years:

https://tvo.org/article/current-affa...astern-ontario
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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 2:15 AM
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70 isn't a supermajority.. it's only 7 seats above the majority threshold.
I know, superlative irony
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Do the PCs just not get it?

All they had to do was run a relatively bland candidate with a centrist platform and they would have inherited Ontario. People were sick of the Liberals.

Instead, we got Doug Ford promising everything to everybody with no detailed plan less than 2 weeks from the election.

Are they so out of tune with Ontario?
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Do the PCs just not get it?

All they had to do was run a relatively bland candidate with a centrist platform and they would have inherited Ontario. People were sick of the Liberals.

Instead, we got Doug Ford promising everything to everybody with no detailed plan less than 2 weeks from the election.

Are they so out of tune with Ontario?
The far-right people are more interested in helping their own (often wealthy business people) and were trying everything to take control of the party. I still question what happened to Patrick Brown. The timing being very suspicious.

The other thing that Ford and the party messed up on is not having a platform. They forgot how Mike Harris won and that it takes a lot of work and preparation in order to run a campaign where chances of victory are higher. Ford has been vague and can't seem to get across what his goals are. He says he will provide relief, cut taxes, cut spending and fix costly issues but leaves out the important details.
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