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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 4:25 AM
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Slightly off the original topic, but USC have this picture described as the "Oldest date palm in the city of Los Angeles on Date Street, ca.1888". Given the age, I'd guess we're talking about the same Date Street.


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Wow! Thanks for all the info on that area near Union Station. Amazing!

Hey HossC: Any chance this is the date tree? I may be on the wrong street (as usual).


http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/...930s%20BEV.pdf

Again, thanks for the great research.
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Beautiful pics and especially the cars...

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-west side of Vine below Hollywood Blvd.
ebay

Is that James Dean's silver Spider?

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No, that's a Jaguar XK120. Right neighborhood, though. Dean's car rolled out on that side of Vine but south of Sunset across from the Hollywood Ranch Market. That is not to say Jimmy didn't have a connection with the XK120...


Fairmount, Dennis Stock, 1955.

James Dean with his cousin Markie. Fairmount, Indiana,1955.

Photo by Dennis Stock

My favorite picture of him.
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 12:30 PM
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Hey HossC: Any chance this is the date tree? I may be on the wrong street (as usual).


http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/...930s%20BEV.pdf
You have the right street FredH, and I also wondered about the tree you circled, but I think I'd need a better quality image to judge whether that's the same one.

I've just had a quick look through some of the early City Directories to see who loved in this area. Rosabell(e) Street was the easiest to search for (the early CDs don't include "Street" or even "St", so imagine looking for "Elizabeth" on its own!). Most of the residents around 1900 were tradesmen. Nearly every listing is for a carpenter, plumber, laborer etc., with a couple of night watchmen as well. In the 1894 CD I even found a listing for Jacob Gerkins, foreman at the Kerckhoff-Cuzner M & L Co, living at 821 Rosabell - now that was a nice, short commute .

The September 9, 1907 edition of the Los Angeles Herald has this sad tale from the area. As noted above, Peter Marasco lived in the wrong place if he didn't like his wife talking to tradesmen.


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I couldn't find Peter Marasco at Rosabelle Street in the City Directories, but I did find a laborer named Peter Marasco living at 484 15th Street in the 1915 CD.
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Thanks HenryHuntington, very interesting details.
I'm pretty amazed that you know this. -very..very impressive.
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All the following photographs are from 1957. (no information on the locations)

I can't quite make out the cafe's name.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/




Luie's Garage.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/





This is interesting...taken through the 'porthole' window.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

above: At first glance I thought the business at left was a car dealership.


repairs. no porthole windows on this utility car.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/



I spy a 7Up sign and a large venue (apartment building?) at far left.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/




wide open spaces...looks like Oklahoma.

El Corbador at https://www.flickr.com/

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The first two appear to be on the Bellflower line, no idea as to the exact location.

No idea on the next two.

The 5th image was Amoco Tower. This is where the Santa Monica Air Line branched off from the PE 4 tracks. West of Figueroa, the Metro Expo Line uses the Air Line right-of-way.

The last picture is Dominguez Junction. This is where the PE line to Long Beach crossed the Southern Pacific line to the harbor (the line than ran along Alameda St for much of its length). Nowadays, the Metro Blue Line crosses this point on an aerial structure, and the former SP (now Union Pacific) tracks are now in a trench (Alameda Corridor) below the surface.
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 4:29 PM
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The streetcar pictures on Flickr come with these rough locations:

#1 "Pacific Electric Car 306 southbound at Compton Station 5-3-57 - Fred Fillers"

#2 "Pacific Electric Car 431 southbound south of Watts 6-28-57 - Fred Fillers"

#3 "Pacific Electric Car 413 coming into San Pedro 7-13-57 - Fred Fillers"

#4 "On August 1, 1956, line car #00157 is at San Pedro, California. Photo by Fred Fillers."

#5 "Pacific Electric car 311 southbound at Amoco Tower, Los Angeles - 1957 Fred Fillers"

#6 "PE Car Northbound at Dominguez Jct 1-27-56 - Fred Fillers"

There's a load more pictures and information in an article called Pacific Electric's Watts Local Line and Los Angeles to San Pedro via Dominguez Line on uncanny.net, including a couple of pictures of the Amoco Tower.
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There were no descriptions with them when I found them on flickriver via El Cobrador. -otherwise I would have included the details.
Thanks for working on the locations transitfan.
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I wondered why you hadn't included links to the images, e_r - that explains it. You can find El Cobrador's photostream here. I just searched it using the keyword "pacific".

Here's an earlier incarnation of the Amoco Tower, seen here in 1904. It's named after the American Olive Company, which can be seen in the background.


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The Baist map below shows the American Olive Company in 1921.


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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 7:03 PM
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"1812 at Amoco Tower"


http://www.pacificelectric.org/pacif...t-amoco-tower/

This is such a nice photograph I just had to post it. (maybe we've seen it before....
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 7:18 PM
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"Railroading had to have dull moments"


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-from Pacific Electric display, Travel Town, Griffith Park.

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-looking east on Sunset from near Vine.
ebay
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Just in case anyone uses the search function for any of these I want to point out that on the left side is part of NBC Radio City's building entrance. Above that on the left you can see the "C" from the CBS building and across the street is the Moulin Rouge, formerly the Earl Carroll Theater.

Can anyone make out the ABC marquee in the photo below? The only word I can decipher is "presents".

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-west side of Vine below Hollywood Blvd.
ebay
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Cahuenga Blvd. and Yucca Street

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12391





Biff's 1950

photograph taken by Douglas Honnold, http://wandrlust.tumblr.com/post/225...a-1950-douglas






Mercury Montclair in front of Biff's, 1955

https://www.flickr.com/photos/brad_s...ream/lightbox/

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I have been experimenting with Google Maps, with mediocre results.



The push pins indicate out-of-bounds venues in 1945 according to the Department of the Navy. I think there may be a way to embed this map; that way when you hover over the push pin, you get the place's address.
Does the Out of Bounds map have any addresses for the ones missing an address below?

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Other locations mentioned in the blog article:

"Some of Main St.'s establishments continued to operate as theaters like the Optic Theatre: 533 S. Main

Main St. and the surrounding area was also home to several clubs and bars popular with gays like the:

Biltmore:
Brass Rail:
Cellar: 521 S. Main
Crown Jewel: 754 S. Olive
Harold's 555 Club: 555 S. Main
Jolie's:
Maxwell's: 214 W 3rd Street (from HossC's post)
Numbers:
326: 326 S. Spring
Waldorf:
Burbank: 548 S. Main
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 8:34 PM
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"1812 at Amoco Tower"

This is such a nice photograph I just had to post it.
I agree, it's a great photograph. My favorite is this one, titled "309 under Amoco Tower". As the captions points out, "This would be the view that the tower operator saw everyday while at work."


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Re: the series of Red Car photos e_r posted rang a bell. Didn't the thread have a video of the Red Car's last run through Watts to Long Beach? I remember the oversaturated reds and blues were similar to the photos.
The video link was posted by alanlutz in post #14425. The Amoco Tower appears at just over four minutes in, and Dominguez Junction can be seen at around 9:15. You can find the video here:

Ride The Last Red Car Los Angeles April 1961


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I didn't see that "309 under Amoco Tower" photograph. It's really fantastic...especially with City Hall at the RR track's vanishing point.
(and i spy the 7up sign again )
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Moreland Motor Truck Co. Los Angeles

1915

ebay



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-so a distillate truck doesn't run on gasoline?

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from ebay (I'll post it large so you can catch all the details)

Looking north on Spring from First, 1888


Along the left edge, above a marquee, there appears to be an angel, or at least a cut-out of a woman with large white wings.
..there's a diagonal board holding her up.
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I didn't see that "309 under Amoco Tower" photograph. It's really fantastic...especially with City Hall at the RR track's vanishing point.
(and i spy the 7up sign again )
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Moreland Motor Truck Co. Los Angeles

1915

ebay



reverse


-so a distillate truck doesn't run on gasoline?

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The distillate referred to was unique to California and was called California #1 Distillate and was created from basically natural asphalt similar in nature to the La Brea Tar pits. The Distillation method created a fuel that is a bit lighter than Diesel fuel and heavier than Kerosene. The Moreland Truck Company of Perris, California (Riverside) developed a carburetor like device that could aspirate this fuel into an extremely volatile mixture in the combustion chamber, thus creating a very powerful fuel/engine combination that required 50% less fuel to operate than a gasoline powered truck having the same load rating.
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The same postcard appears in a 2009 LA Times article titled A thorny history with the cactus. It contains this explanation of Watt Moreland's Gasifier engines:

"Nominated by his peers as Mr. Truck of California, Watt Moreland was an early Los Angeles inventor. In 1909, at an auto show held in Hamburger's department store in downtown L.A., he introduced a long-range motor. The following year Moreland opened the Moreland Motor Truck Co. He manufactured six models with a Gasifier engine fueled by distillate, a form of diesel. Distillate got 60 miles to a gallon and was cheaper than oats for a horse."

The National Library of New Zealand has a copy of the North Otago Times from August 21, 1913 which includes an article headlined 'Distillate - A New Fuel'. It details a 1,052 mile round trip to San Francisco in a Moreland truck.

Why aren't the trucks of today using these fuel-efficient Gasifier engines?

Here's an advert from the June 1915 edition of 'The Rotarian'.


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The Moreland Motor Truck Company factory at 1710-1751 North Main appears on the 1914 Baist map.


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In 1920, Watt Moreland opened a new factory in Burbank - we covered that in post #19886 and post #19890.
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Does the Out of Bounds map have any addresses for the ones missing an address below?
Gee-- Jolies was popular with the older set-most of the late 50s to early 70s it sited on s/w corner of Vermont 2 doors down from Beverly Blvd.. The Waldorf was at 527 S. Main- pix in early Life magazine expose of urban homo scene--Brass Rail was at 334 S.Hill near Angels Flight- mjr teen dance floor scene in early 60s according to a fan who bussed there fresh off the plane from Romania - now its La Cita... At least a dozen others rose and fell pre-Stonewall here..
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Brass Rail was at 334 S.Hill near Angels Flight ...
Long before Brass Rail, 334 South Hill was the Oregon Rooming House. This report from the December 6, 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald tells the story of the demise of its proprietor, Mrs Alice Corr. I've never heard of an "alcoholic heart" before.


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Moreland Motor Truck Co. Los Angeles

1915

ebay



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-so a distillate truck doesn't run on gasoline?

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The two guys up in the Joshua Tree are nuts! I don't know what kind of protective clothing those guys were
wearing, but these trees are deadly.


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