First Metro area to hit 1,000,000 people

[RTD]

Originally Posted by Stephen Ave

Winnipeg would be a good bet based on growth in the last two years, but two years of good growth in the last 50 isn't a trend yet.

Uhhh.............................to say that Winnipeg has experienced 50 year of stagnation is a serious exaggeration of the facts, by about 38 years.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It doesn't really matter which group is larger, only that Quebec gets enough immigrants to meet its demographic needs. Likewise for Manitoba or any other province.

This is not a pissing contest over who has the tallest skyscraper or whatever...

Of course it matters when we're talking about "which city will get to a million first". This thread is not about "meeting demographic needs".

If immigrants prefer moving to Winnipeg or Hamilton over Quebec because of language, then all other things being equal (ie: natural growth rates), it matters in the context of this thread.

If immigrants prefer Quebec over Winnipeg because of the blisteringly cold winters, even though Winnipeggers find the winters just perfectly tolerable, it also matters in the context of this thread.

If.

[Boreal]

As it stands right now, 37 people chose the wrong answer .

[le calmar]

Originally Posted by freeweed

The question then becomes, which group is larger: Francophones who pick Quebec over Canada because of French, or non-Franophones who pick Canada over Quebec because of French.

Ask the Chinese or Indians sometime which language they know better. Now, whether or not it influences their desired locale is something I'm unaware of.

Quebec actually attracts both, French and English speaking immigrants... Sure, many immigrants that speak only English will choose Canada over Quebec, but many of them move to Quebec anyways (most of them in Montreal where they can get around in English) The francophones immigrants fill the gap. So in the end Quebec is probably not disavantaged immigration-wise, or at least not that much. Quebec manages to attract 70,000 immigrants a year which is not bad at all.

[davidivivid]

Well, there is no denying that many immmigrants coming to Quebec City come from the Francophonie. However, the city still attracts people from many diverse regions of the globe. The overview of the immigrant population in Quebec City is the following:

31% from Europe (many of which are coming from the Balkans. There is a strong serbian contigent for example)
30% from Africa
25% from the Americas
14% from Asia

As I previously stated, immigration coming from South America is getting some steam because even though the language might be different, the similarities between the latin cultures is appealing for many.

[RTD]

Originally Posted by Boreal

As it stands right now, 37 people chose the wrong answer .

Matter of personal opinion

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Of course it matters when we're talking about "which city will get to a million first". This thread is not about "meeting demographic needs".

If immigrants prefer moving to Winnipeg or Hamilton over Quebec because of language, then all other things being equal (ie: natural growth rates), it matters in the context of this thread.

If immigrants prefer Quebec over Winnipeg because of the blisteringly cold winters, even though Winnipeggers find the winters just perfectly tolerable, it also matters in the context of this thread.

If.

In the context of the thread, you are right. I was looking beyond the scope of the thread. Sorry.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by le calmar

Quebec manages to attract 70,000 immigrants a year which is not bad at all.

Is this for the entire province? If the numbers some are quoting here are correct (20,000 for Manitoba per year), then I think you can see why people here say Winnipeg might be in the lead. Manitoba is 1/8th the size of Quebec; that's a hell of a lot more immigration, ie: a much larger growth rate.

That of course presumes the provincial trends correspond with the municipal trends. I believe most immigrants to Manitoba end up in Winnipeg, but I don't have hard figures.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Is this for the entire province? If the numbers some are quoting here are correct (20,000 for Manitoba per year), then I think you can see why people here say Winnipeg might be in the lead. Manitoba is 1/8th the size of Quebec; that's a hell of a lot more immigration, ie: a much larger growth rate.

That of course presumes the provincial trends correspond with the municipal trends. I believe most immigrants to Manitoba end up in Winnipeg, but I don't have hard figures.

It appears that immigration to Manitoba is in the 13,000 range.

http://nexuscanada.blogspot.com/2010...a-miracle.html

Per capita this is still higher than Quebec. I think Quebec would have to get about 100,000 per year in order to equal Manitoba's immigration level.

[le calmar]

The quota in Quebec is 70,000 immigrants per year, it couldn't get more anyways. (not 100% sure about the numbers, but it was 55,000 two years ago) In 2008 it was fixed to 100,000 in Ontario and 45,000 in BC.

PS: I just checked and the quota could still be at 55,000.

[thurmas]

Ontario gets 145 to 150 thousand a year

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Ontario gets 145 to 150 thousand a year

Jason Kenney says immigration to Ontario has dropped to just over 100,000 a year:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1848219/

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Jason Kenney says immigration to Ontario has dropped to just over 100,000 a year:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1848219/

Even with the drop in immigration Ontario's Population still grew by over 200,000 from July 2009 to October 2010.

**** THATS BECAUSE IMMIGRANTS TRY OUT SOME NEW PART OF THE COUNTRY FIRST ( Like Manitoba, Atlantic or Saskatchewan) AND REALIZE THEY CAN'T GET A JOB AND/OR THEY HAVE NONE OF THEIR OLD COUNTRY COMPADRES THERE AND END UP BACK IN THE T DOT********


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...1223b2-eng.htm

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...1222a2-eng.htm

We are a population Machine !!!!! People in China must be like WTF is up with Ontario?

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

If the Hamilton CMA expands just a bit to the south, southwest or southeast, then it could jump far ahead of Winnipeg. It's just geography as it is in the middle of a 9 million person conurbation.

The problem with that assumption is that the Hamilton CMA will overlap with either Toronto, St.Catherines-Niagara, Guelph, Brantford, or Kitchener's eventually. The only way I could see Hamilton reaching 1,000,000 people in their CMA is if they merged their CMA with either Brantford, Oakville, or the Kitchener-Waterloo area.

[SteelTown]

Norfolk and Haldimand should be part of Hamilton's CMA, bedroom community like Caledonia. That would bump Hamilton's CMA an extra 100,000.

[caltrane74]

Exactly, and there are communities in Norfolk and Haldimand counties use to be part of Hamilton previously.

The old Wentworth Country that was broken up in the 70's to make Hamilton Wentworth.

100,000 people extra without butting heads with any other CMA's

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by SteelTown

Norfolk and Haldimand should be part of Hamilton's CMA, bedroom community like Caledonia. That would bump Hamilton's CMA an extra 100,000.

yeah, this is the big thing about Hamilton. The surrounding communities, as someone mentioned, already puts it close to a million.


Pretty soon all of Southern Ontario will just be one big extension of T Dot

[flar]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

yeah, this is the big thing about Hamilton. The surrounding communities, as someone mentioned, already puts it close to a million.


Pretty soon all of Southern Ontario will just be one big extension of T Dot

Actually...the surrounding communities put it close to two million.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by RTD

Uhhh.............................to say that Winnipeg has experienced 50 year of stagnation is a serious exaggeration of the facts, by about 38 years.

That's true, it should be 88 years, not 50

Seriously though, Hamilton's the obvious choice.

[RTD]

Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

That's true, it should be 88 years, not 50

Hope you guys have a plan B when the oil runs out

See, anyone can make dumb comments.