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Originally Posted by TysonsEngineer
You are incorrect, I'm sorry, but Town Center is literally smaller than the proposed development of Scotts Run Station, of Tysons Corner Center, of Georgelas' Spring Hill Station. Any of those. You use the number for the Proposed Tysons Corner Center, you didn't include the Existing center which would have put the number much higher.
Beyond this, Tysons has very little to do with Tysons Corner other than it is a mall within Tysons. You should look at the redevelopments in progress. There have been 12 high rises finishing construction or in construction this calendar year. The amount of new development coming just right now, under construction, is greater than all of Reston Town Center.
They are wholly different things. One is a single owner development (similar to Edens Mosaic), the other is several developments and an actual CBD. Take a look at the article I linked. Tysons is 2000 acres with 30 million square feet of development, its much bigger than Reston Town Center. These aren't fake numbers, that's the reality of it. Tysons is orders of magnitude larger than Reston Town Center, it is just spread more. The new redevelopments however are all infills which will create many individual town centers the size of RTC.
Link showing just 1 of the metro stations redevelopment proposals and current construction http://thetysonscorner.com/future-ty...-hill-station/
Another correction, Tysons actually has more housing than Reston Town Center (which again is the comparison the WaPo made). There are 20,000 residents in Tysons, only 5,000 in Reston Town Center. I think you are overall just confusing what Tysons is. It isn't the mall and Lerner. Its a huge place with development happening completely away from either of those. Head to North Tysons next time you are near there; there are several 20 story building you might not have known existed.
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NO. From Macerich's website Tysons Corner Center is 2,207,342 square feet. The new phase which includes Vita, Intelsat and the Hyatt is 1.4 million square feet. Both numbers are from their website. The total is approximately 3.6 million square feet.
http://www.macerich.com/leasing/property.aspx?id=202 is the first
http://www.macerich.com/experience/n...aspx?id=212877 is the second.
I am NOT comparing Reston to Tysons Corner. I am comparing Reston Town Center to Tysons Corner Center. Nothing else. Yes, I know there is 29 million or more square feet in Tysons. I also know there is more than 20 million in Reston. But, again, that is NOT what I am comparing.
Reston Town Center and Tysons Corner Center. Nothing else. They are both approximately the same size. Each anchors the community they are in.
You talk about a single owner center: you do understand that Boston Properties now owns the majority of Town Center but Kettler (KSI) put up their own 1+ million square feet with the Midtown complex of high rises? That the Savoy is part of Town Center and was not built by Boston Properties? That other developers have been involved over the years including Mobil Land Development who started it? I am sure you also understand that Macerich owns Tysons Corner Center and the several phases of development both realized and proposed.
And that Lerner started Tysons Corner in the '60's as they started Wheaton Plaza and Landover Mall?
Lerner. Who own the Spectrum adjacent to Reston Town Center.
Why do you minimize Tysons Corner Center? It is the actual downtown of Tysons Corner. It is the anchor for the entire Tysons development. I realize the Galleria is also an anchor but it is distinct-nobody walks between the two. They drive.
Regardless, Reston Town Center has a streetscape and ambience similar to Bethesda, Clarendon and downtown Washington. Tysons Corner does not.
My point is not to confront you on these developments-I've lived here for 67 years and was born in D. C. I've also literally been going to Tysons Corner Center since the day it opened. It has been "my" mall since that day. But Reston Town Center is special. This is reflected in the absence of available space and the popularity of both daily and weekend events. Tysons Corner Center has its own appeal.
For all of the construction in BOTH areas I believe that these two will continue as the anchors of each community. Reston Town Center just has a big head start.
As an aside the real possibililties at Tysons are the several additional phases to the Center and what Lerner may do with their own Town Center adjacent to 123. They have quite a bit of land but it is going to be difficult to assimilate this with the Galleria and the nearby office buildings.
As for Reston Town Center it will almost double in size between where it ends now and the edge of route 267. This may include air rights over the Old Dominion trail similar to how downtown Bethesda has been developed. The next phase includes 850,000+ in three buildings which will, for the first time, extend the Town Center area towards the Spectrum. Ultimately the Spectrum will be completely rebuilt as a continuation of Town Center (separate developer). The combination of all of this is a large continuous streetscape that will comprise a substantial downtown area that is eminently walkable. Boundaries will include route 267 and Baron Cameron and Reston Parkway.
Turning off of the Beltway onto 123 will have a incredible visual years from now with all of the proposed development realized. Both sides of 123 with a number of 30 story buildings. Yet my point is that this area-even the developed Lerner Town Center and Tysons with its additional phases of development, because of the bisection of the ten lane 123, will not be as walkable as Reston Town Center. My comment of "islands" on either side of the road, not dissimilar from some of what I've seen in Vegas where it is now virtually impossible to walk directly across Las Vegas Boulevard. Tysons will eventually have to have some kind of moving sidewalk and/or monorail to connect the two sides.
Last, I am a huge fan of your website. I read it everyday and have contributed a number of times. I just disagree with you on your perspective on this and characterization of Reston Town Center.