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Old Posted Apr 14, 2006, 6:15 PM
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Tentative timeline for the WTC:

*1980-1981 Stanley Raskow approaches SOM with a propsal to build a 5-6Msqft 1,700 foot tall tower in Chicago.

*1981 Architect Bruce Graham and structural engineer John Zils produce the 181 story bundled tube design shown above. Structural Engineer Fazlur Khan is dissatisfied with using bundled tubes and searches for an alternative. By this time the tower has balloned in size to 10Msqft and 2,300 feet. 2,500 feet was the preffered height by Raskow, but Khan adamantly insisted for a reduction to at most 2,100. They eventually settled on the middle figure.

*1982 Khan invents the telescoping superframe and applies it to the WTC, resulting in the 168 story design on the last page. Raskow announces the tower to the world, but is absent from the unveiling. A representative for a group of financiers is does attend. Raskow insists the project is real and has several backup plans for financing should the main fall through.

*1983-1984 Stanley Raskow suspends work with SOM on the WTC. SOM's fee of $840,000 is unpaid. SOM seeks its debt through legal action. No assets of Stanely Raskow or his company, 300 N LaSalle Development, are found and the commission is never paid. The original financiers had pulled out some time earlier. The underwriter for the project at the time of SOM's termination is found to be a shell of a company that was forced into bankruptcy a year or so earlier after it was found to have committed accounting fraud.

*1984 Stanely Raskow, after being unable to secure his new site near Grant Park, threatens to take his project to Texas. Reprtedly the tower has been brought up to the 2,500 foot figure Raskow wanted.

*1984-1986 Raskow commissions Wesse and Assc. for a new WTC design, based on a structural study Wesse had done earlier. This new design is based on an enhancement of the squared tube (eg. Aon, World Trade Center NY) and stands 2,500 feet tall as Raskow earlier intended. ARTICLE

No information after December 1986 is available.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2006, 6:50 PM
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Good work STR and good luck tracking down Raskow.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2006, 7:25 PM
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Final version of the Graham/Zils design at correct location.



It's doesn't look too bad from the postcard shot.


Unfortunately, this is what most of Chicago would look at when commuting downtown.
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Next up is the 168 story Graham/Khan design.

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it supost to be leaning?
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Congrats on winning the march diagram poll.
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it supost to be leaning?
No, it's just a lazy edit-job by the NY Times.

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Congrats on winning the march diagram poll.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2006, 5:36 AM
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^^The Chicago towers look like they're all going to gang up on the Burj Dubai. Even Sears looks like a short but tough thug compared to Burj Dubai.
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^yeah, both WTCs dominate Burj Dubai is the same way Sears dominates Petronas.
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Oh hell yeah man. Nice job, that would make the ultimate Chicago mob with the older and wiser Sears tower as the don and the bigger Chicago buildings as his hit men. Great work, and looking forward to seeing more of the future skyline.
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WTC would have been a great asset to the Chicago skyline
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wow all those 3D models where great!
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STR, as a little bit of a push to get you working on the Chicago scene again, I offer the opinion that the closer you get it to being finished the closer you'll be to selling it to a video game company or movie production company. Good luck making money.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2006, 3:39 AM
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I do have other things going on in my life besides this.
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You should make The Illinois. Even though it was just a vision...
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dam lazy editors lol imagin if they had build thoughs towers in chicago we would have even taller buidings being built..........
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so is that now in the older skyline models, or it will be in upcoming ones?
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It's not done yet actually. I can post it in the diagrams because I'm able to edit out stuff. That is much harder to do in the perspective shots of the city model. Maybe in a week I'll have some new context shots.
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