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"1870 Los Angeles woman

ebay

"This original photograph was obtained from the collection and estate of Floyd Clymer (the motorcycle dude we recently discussed on NLA).
The seller says the photograph is probably one-of-a-kind and may have been published by Clymer in one of his many publications."


I'm intrigued by the hat.

Do you think it's some sort of riding hat?

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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 2:22 AM
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And here's an amateur snapshot from 1914.


Fernandez Collection

"The Red Car in July 1914. The Red Car brought commuters to Ramona Acres. This is the stop at Garfield Ave.
The red cars were discontinued when the San Bernardino Freeway was built.
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From the Fernandes Collection.



The banner on the side of the trolley appears to say 'camp meeting'.
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Japanese Invasion Map

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I had a friend who is a translator look at this map and translate what was under the warships. Here are her remarks:


大日本帝国総合艦隊
Imperial Japanese Comprehensive Naval Fleet

米国艦本(太平洋方面?左)
Not really sure what this means, but, it looks like:
American warship base (Pacific Ocean Direction/district/area ? left)

The orientation of the writing above is left to right, but reverse on the map.
I don't think this is an invasion map. It's a map, maybe even one that was publicly available, which shows American and Japanese, Canadian, territories and military domains. It also lists transit routes and estimated travel times. There is nothing to suggest to me that it was designed for the purpose of an invasion.
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Interesting. I grew up in a house with an attic, my bedroom and my brother's bedroom were in it, but don't remember a scuttle hole.
Probably because your attic was usable space rather than just a shallow attic. Ours is only about 4" high from the rafters of the ceiling below to the roof.
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Good find t2. I tried locating the source of the El Mirador pic yesterday. ( I thought it was a menswear ad)

So the photographs are from the French magazine L'Affaire (1969)

The names of the two men are Ray Fuller (the man with the happy pants ) and Jimmy Walker.

"Ray Fuller y Jimmy Walker tienen un encuentro en las calles de Los Ángeles en L'Affaire." (Nº2, 1969)
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"Vista Thro' the Palms"

I could be wrong, but I don't believe we have seen this particular postcard.

1910

ebay

note the dead tree trunks just lying around. (so close to downtown)

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'mystery' location


"Rare KODAK Snapshot Victorian 1890s LOS ANGELES CA" [asking US $499.99]


ebay







A closer look at the well-dressed people walking along the sidewalk.


detail

above: there's a street sign on the pole but it's a bit too small to read.




A large home and several horse and buggies are seen on the far right (note the nice row of trees) -not sure what kind.


detail



Los Angeles Cal written in red ink on the reverse.


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The aptly named 'Desert Wind' leaving Highland Park over the Pasadena Freeway in 1980.



unkown

Is this R.R. trestle still there?

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Still there (@ 39°06’38.95” N 118°11’05.86” W), only it's the Gold Line route today. Google Earth shows the bridge double track now. I suspect they put a new deck on it and with only light rail trains using it they don't have to be concerned about the weight of freight trains.
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'mystery' location

"Rare KODAK Snapshot Victorian 1890s LOS ANGELES CA" [asking US $499.99]


ebay

...

there's a street sign on the pole but I can't read it (maybe...Winston?)
That's the old Post Office and courtrooms at Main and Winston on the left. You can see FW's full post here.

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This is looking SE at the United States Government Building at the SE corner of Main and Winston, between 4th and 5th. It housed Federal courtrooms upstairs and the Post Office downstairs. Some sources, including the caption to this photo, say it opened in June 1893, but other sources say 1890:

LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018592.jpg
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[...]

A large home and several horse and buggies are seen on the far right (note the nice row of trees) -not sure what kind.


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At first blush, I thought Eucalyptus; but no, the trunks especially are looking very California Pepper-y to me . . . Rather young trees; one is used to seeing old trees of this species.
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Jon Paul, at first I thought this might be the Grauman Bungalow Court Apartments on [4424 W/] Melrose Avenue between Alexandria and Kenmore.


LAPL
Sid Grauman may have been a well known impressario, a showman and a seeker of gold, but an oil man?

According to the source (LAPL):

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Courtyard view of the Spanish style Grauman Court bungalow apartments in Hollywood. Built in 1922, the thirteen-unit residential court financed by oilman Sid Grauman is located on Melrose between Alexandria and Kenmore Avenues. This complex also includes a group of seven stores on the corner of Kenmore and Melrose. At the entrance of the courtyard, there is a completely furnished doctor's apartment (in background), provided with waiting areas and medical offices located on the second level. The gardens, full of popular California shrubs, flowers and tress, were designed by Beverly Hills Nursery Company. The statue, seen in the center of the image, is insured by Mr. Grauman for $15,000 as it took first prize at the 1915 Panama-Pacific International Exposition in San Francisco.


Returning to the subject 1921-22-Grauman Court Apartments (4424 W. Melrose Ave.), one 1921 construction permit lists an unfamiliar (to me) name, "Kate" Grauman. Others refer to Sid and Sam.

A cursory permit search does not reveal any demolition; however, it appears that several structures were relocated throughout SoCal in 1948. For example, one structure was evidently moved to 2772 Rowena, near Glendale Blvd. and West Silverlake Dr. Another, was reportedly dispatched to 18515 Bassett St. in Reseda. Another, to 10025 Pinewood in Tujunga.

It is unclear exactly what happened to the 1923, three-story Grauman Hotel, once located at 675 N. Kenmore Ave. The building was clearly in use through 1949 given various occupancy certificates from that date. However, given its close proximity to what later became the Hollywood Fwy, it was a likely victim of transit "progress."


One imagines that in 1934, looking south on Kenmore provided a nice view of the Ambassador.

1934 - Ambassador Hotel from 5th and Kenmore Av.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/61896



1934 - View north on Kenmore. Presumably the three-story Grauman Hotel is on the left, shrouded by palm fronds.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/61896
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At first blush, I thought Eucalyptus; but no, the trunks especially are looking very California Pepper-y to me . . . Rather young trees; one is used to seeing old trees of this species.
Looks like Pepper trees to me.

Ever study the sex life of Pine trees? There's a city-wide adventure if there ever was one. Pine trees actually can communicate with each other.
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Looks like Pepper trees to me.

Ever study the sex life of Pine trees? There's a city-wide adventure if there ever was one. Pine trees actually can communicate with each other.
Every time I listen to them, I blush. So nice looking, but so shameless! Much like myse--um, never mind that right now . . .
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That's the old Post Office and courtrooms at Main and Winston on the left.
Thanks Hoss!

...but what is the cupola topped building down the street? -I can't figure it out.







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At first blush, I thought Eucalyptus; but no, the trunks especially are looking very California Pepper-y to me . . . Rather young trees; one is used to seeing old trees of this species.
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Looks like Pepper trees to me.
I believe you two are correct.

"Adams Boulevard's wide expanse is bordered by well-established pepper trees, Los Angeles, 1900."


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1700/rec/7


here's the cabinet card again for comparison

detail

That first tree has a rather bulbous lower trunk. (what causes that?)
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Peppers vs Palms

I may have posted it before, but ICYMI here is Nathan Masters explaining how the Peruvian Pepper Tree gained (and lost) its iconic Southern California status:

https://www.kcet.org/shows/lost-la/w...unny-southland


kcet

I've read several places how distressed folks were when Hollywood lost its famous pepper trees to street widening.
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[...]

here's the cabinet card again for comparison

detail

Although that first tree has a rather bulbous lower trunk. (what causes that?)
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It's just their nature to be totally gnarly (optional addition to the preceding: dude). The older they get, the more gnarly they get.
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Thanks Hoss! (what about the cupola topped building down the street?) -at first I thought it was the bell tower of St. Vibianas)
Have we previously seen a photo of the Charnock Block at the SE corner of 5th and Main with a cupola? If not, we have now!
Maybe that explains the photo's $499.99 price?

Here are some pics from a previous post. In the first photo below, the Charnock Block is at the left edge. The DR. HAMMAN
DENTIST sign blocks the top of two second-floor windows, both of which we see in the second (color) photo below, and one
of which is visible in e_r's close-up above:

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1930. That corner office with the fireplace must have been nice:

LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics09/00014120.jpg

Looking southeast:

FW photo


The corner of the Charnock Block that had the cupola is near the upper left corner here, below the 5th & MAIN DRUGS sign.
You can sort of see the "tub" where the base of the cupola was, under the S in DRUGS and behind a chimney on the Main
Street side. I guess that dome in the color photo above covered up the base of the cupola:

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It must have been thought to be more important to have an advertising sign on the corner of the roof than a cupola.
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t2 & odinthor

Earlier today while I was looking for a good photograph of pepper trees from around the same time period as the sepia cabinet card (1890s),
I happened upon this fine photograph of Eucalyptus trees


"Eucalyptus trees lined at the corner of Gower Street and Melrose Avenue, ca.1900"


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"Eucaluptus trees line the dirt road (at right). Grass covers the surrounding areas. The trunks of the trees stand in the extreme left foreground.;
"This group consists of more than 400, quick-growing, tender, evergreen trees and some shrubs native to Tasmania and Australia.
These unique trees can grow to gigantic proportions; some species can reach heights over 400 feet in their native habitats and up to 200 feet in California.
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Can you believe that's the corner of Melrose and Gower! Truly bucolic-

(I believe the photograph actually shows the 'intersection' of Melrose and Gower up ahead in the near distance, right?

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Have we previously seen a photo of the Charnock Block at the SE corner of 5th and Main with a cupola?
I didn't even know the 'Charnock' had a cupola. Thanks for figuring this out FW!
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I believe we have seen this photograph before but it's been awhile.


Eucalyptus tree
usc digital archive

"Photograph of a tall eucalyptus tree on the corner of 36th Place (or Street?) looking west from University Avenue, ca.1908-1910."

"To the right of the tree are a real estate office and a bicycle shop. Utility poles line the street. Legible signs include: "Thomas Lloyd real estate", "[...]ary public",
"home [...] of New York", "money to loan", "real estate loans, insurance", "bicycle", "repairing neatly done", "Westley Ave".



"The tree, standing about 100 feet tall, towers above everything within the vicinity."

I would have guessed this tree was much taller than 100 ft.

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