The rise of right wing nativism and Canada as an outlier

[Bcasey25raptor]

I have an idea, let's diagnose children with countless mental ailments so we can pump them with pills, lifetime pharmacy customers, could you ask for better?

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/21/that...troverted_boy/

[lio45]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Honestly man, the day this place stops allowing open debate and disagreement on social constructs, is the day many of us will just walk to UT or another forum. It's getting pretty bad lately. When challenging feminist dogma (my posts though provocative are hardly offensive to all but the most sensitive people) suddenly makes someone a sexist or being considered racist or Islamaphobic for not wanting Syrian/Somali refugees to come here with little restraint, well then we as an intellectual community are finished.

Depends; maybe it's the "other side" of such discussions who'll decide to give up (see: BretttheRiderFan, for example).

[O-tacular]

MisterCorporate plumbing new depths. Wow. MIGS would be proud.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lio45

Depends; maybe it's the "other side" of such discussions who'll decide to give up (see: BretttheRiderFan, for example).

I used to like him a while back, but after his posts in the past couple of weeks, it's no big loss (sad to say).

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Not directly. You'd want to get a professional.


I mean in reality face to face communication is the best way. But the other person has to know what they are looking for.

I can generally spot a relatively standard case from about 100 feet away(it's all body posture, eye movements etc)

Although it's a good bit like spotting an accent.

If it's mild enough that you move somewhat normally it's near impossible for me to tell.

Oddly enough when I worked door to door sales a few of my coworkers could pick up on that shit without even realising it.


Keeping in mind the medical community is overly focused on people with classical autism, and people showing blatant deficits in functioning in adult life.

If you make it through school and be moderately successful you don't exist as far as some people are concerned.

My girlfriend had to go from vancouver to montreal to get someone who was familiar with the very different behaviours of autistic women.

My 46 year old brother is autistic. He works, lives on his own and drives his own car. I'm loath to say high functioning but that is how I describe his abilities to others. When he was a baby we as a family were at our wits end as to what the issue was. This was rural SW Manitoba in the early 70's so even the doctors had no idea what was going on.

I feel that the spectrum is larger than we think and that all of us have some level of it. I have two second cousins who have been diagnosed but they are coping quite well and are getting much more help than what my brother ever did.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

MisterCorporate plumbing new depths. Wow. MIGS would be proud.

Mistercorporate seems to be wanting to make a Mousquet out of himself.

He's been trying for a while I'd say, but it's only recently in this thread that he's been hitting the mark more regularly.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JM5

I strongly agree with this. I feel that a lack of resolve is a major factor in how our society is currently changing. But how do we go back to having conviction after the Vail has been lifted? I don't think we can, unless something brings us together while setting us apart from "others". Such events are usually undesirable.

Since I believe that human history is cyclical as opposed to linear, I tend to not believe in "points of no return".

Few things change forever and even the stuff that appears unassailable and inexorable (at the time) sometimes gets scaled back.

I am sure all those women we see in miniskirts in pictures of Kabul from the 1970s thought that things could never go back to the way they were...

[1overcosc]

I'm on the spectrum too (diagnosed as Aspie when I was 8), although I don't think it's particularly strong with me.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Since I believe that human history is cyclical as opposed to linear, I tend to not believe in "points of no return".

If you're talking about stuff that depends mostly on unchanging aspects of the world we live in, human biology, etc. then it is true that some dynamics present through history have repeated themselves.

But technological progress doesn't seem to have been cyclical. I don't believe that there were humans on earth living like we did today on a short enough timescale that they and the environment are similar to what we are familiar with (if so, they were good at hiding their radioactive waste). We are living in uncharted territory with our technology and it interacts with us in ways that are hard to predict. Future technological development is hard to predict too. Improved batteries and cheap renewable energy for example would have a big impact on global politics and everybody's day-to-day life.

When it comes to politics, it's common for people to talk about a social pendulum swinging back and forth. Our governments go back and forth between liberal and conservative tendencies, for example. But the ground moves under everything; what it means to be liberal or conservative changes over time.

The Middle East is a good example of how societies can move backward but that region has been the exception rather than the rule in the modern world. And a lot of their problems (particularly in the really bad spots like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria) can be traced back to the bad actions of larger and more powerful countries, rather than spontaneous devolution of the locals. For the most part I think the overall global trend is positive.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Since I believe that human history is cyclical as opposed to linear, I tend to not believe in "points of no return".

Few things change forever and even the stuff that appears unassailable and inexorable (at the time) sometimes gets scaled back.

I am sure all those women we see in miniskirts in pictures of Kabul from the 1970s thought that things could never go back to the way they were...

I think of history as being "erratically linear". There's generally a permanent/extremely long term trend that's visible over the long run but there's a hell of a lot of fluctuation on the way there. Kinda like the average temperature charts from the past 150 years--they show a warming climate, but with it not really being apparent year-to-year.

The development of democratic & capitalist society in Europe over the past 500 years is like that, for example. Lots of setbacks along the way but it got there in the end.

That apparent secular society that existed in places like Afghanistan and Iran in the 1960s/1970s is largely a myth. There was only a small westernized bubble in the major cities that was really like that. The vast majority of Afghani women were very traditional even then. It's not like women in miniskirts ever became a nationwide thing there.

[Nashe]

What... what happened to this thread?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Vorkuta

What... what happened to this thread?

I was wondering when someone would ask. The discussion has gone from weird and extraneous to beyond the pale. The moderator seems to be MIA.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I used to like him a while back, but after his posts in the past couple of weeks, it's no big loss (sad to say).

Agreed. That guy was just way too intolerant

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Mistercorporate seems to be wanting to make a Mousquet out of himself.

He's been trying for a while I'd say, but it's only recently in this thread that he's been hitting the mark more regularly.

At least mistercorporate is in the same time zone as most of us, a significant bonus when it comes to keeping his sanity over time while interacting with other SSP users.....

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

That apparent secular society that existed in places like Afghanistan and Iran in the 1960s/1970s is largely a myth. There was only a small westernized bubble in the major cities that was really like that. The vast majority of Afghani women were very traditional even then. It's not like women in miniskirts ever became a nationwide thing there.

Of course, but I'd still say with some certainty that the women wearing less traditional dress in Afghanistan, Iran and many other countries in the Middle East in those days expected more of their countrywomen to follow their lead eventually. Not the other way around.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I think of history as being "erratically linear". There's generally a permanent/extremely long term trend that's visible over the long run but there's a hell of a lot of fluctuation on the way there. Kinda like the average temperature charts from the past 150 years--they show a warming climate, but with it not really being apparent year-to-year.

The development of democratic & capitalist society in Europe over the past 500 years is like that, for example. Lots of setbacks along the way but it got there in the end.

.

This is a lot truer for economics and technological evolution than it is for social mores and values IMO.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Mistercorporate seems to be wanting to make a Mousquet out of himself.

He's been trying for a while I'd say, but it's only recently in this thread that he's been hitting the mark more regularly.

A quick examination of someone's posting history make it easy to separate those with an interest in urbanism/architecture from those using SSP as their version of rabble.ca

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

No but I do need proof when someone is labeled autistic without evidence.

There's an endless amount of evidence the guy literally made a big point of why he wears the same thing every single day.

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

You can be a nerdy socially awkward individual and not be autistic, not every socially awkward individual is autistic.

When did I say they were.

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Edit: Autism is the new ADHD anyway, most over diagnosed disorder of the 21st century

Actually if you new anything about the history, you'd realize this equates directly to holocaust denial .

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

, it is beyond dangerous to label people autistic for being socially awkward without proof.

How do you think one gets diagnosed, they pick you up by the feet and tickle your toes.

The medical community denied the prevalence of autism for decades.

Hans Aspergers figured out autism 50 years before the main stream medical community decided to take us seriously.

Diagnosis of zuckerberg is the norm, it'd be a medical fact dictated the medical community if the claiming of the obvious wouldn't cause them damages.

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Those who label wealthy successful individuals as autistic have an agenda to make higher functioning autists feel better about their condition,

Unless you look into it as part of a larger statistic.

Which is if your on the spectrum and are exceptional in hard sciences your trapped in underemployment.

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

been there, done that. I know far too many autistic individuals who were otherwise normal functioning human beings.

As I said before autism is one of those magically things that general throw people at one end of the bell curve or the other.

Either your a highly regarded specialist or you tend to be well below average.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

I have an idea, let's diagnose children with countless mental ailments so we can pump them with pills, lifetime pharmacy customers, could you ask for better?

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/21/that...troverted_boy/

Oh deer now your really crossing into the denialist category.

Not seeing the value is identifying autism in adults is one thing.

Supporting people to ignore symptoms of autism is young children is something I would regard as a crime far worst than holocaust denial.

If you have a child that may be autistic early intervention is critical.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I was wondering when someone would ask. The discussion has gone from weird and extraneous to beyond the pale. The moderator seems to be MIA.

I'm not really sure how this can be said to be remotely possible.


The realities of neurology should be a central part of any political discussion.

I'd love to say it's part of the mental health stigma but it really goes far beyond that.

It's a popularly held dismissal of neuroscience.

This topic isn't going anywhere.

Jordan B Peterson is a Canada psychologist at the pinnacle of this issue.

They are actually trying to charge him with a hate crime for not bowing down to thought policing being exercised by radical socialmarxist student groups.

It's actually hilarious because if you take the time to actually see what he's actually about it's hilarious how moderately conservative he is.

He annihilates the socail marxist with one hand and with the other provides an endless list of left wing arguments for free.

Here's what "his hate speech arguments" sound like.

Here's his "railing on islam"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpv4ns52pJo