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View Poll Results: Which is most connected to Africa/Africans in terms of influence?
Washington DC area 3 6.12%
Baltimore area 1 2.04%
NYC 8 16.33%
Atlanta 3 6.12%
Houston 2 4.08%
Toronto 0 0%
Montreal 2 4.08%
London (England) 6 12.24%
Paris (France) 19 38.78%
Other 5 10.20%
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 12:14 PM
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Thanks to the ongoing security situations in the past few years (for example Egypt went from 15 million tourists a year to 9 million) the West African coast is also opening up, notably Cape Verde, Gambia and even Sierra Leone and Western Sahara - cheap flights, winter sun.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgnBkFOt0wE


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Gambia:


www.travelweekly.co.uk

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For more upmarket (they're further afield and thus fall out of the lower middle class European spectrum) it's Kenya, Tanzania, Seychelles, Mauritius and South Africa (each a mix of safari and white sand coast). Mozambique is the jewel in the crown for the world's best beaches, and Namibia for its haunting landscapes and wildlife, but both more for the adventurous still.

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Define Africa. All of Africa? Then I choose Paris.
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Gambia has been a winter sun destination for UK tourists for a long time but recent political developments have put those tourism links in jeopardy. I'm not sure those tourism links really mean that any UK cities have a strong connection to The Gambia though, most people on those kind of holidays probably never leave their hotel grounds.
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Define Africa. All of Africa? Then I choose Paris.
I guess you could also argue for the smaller cities on the south coast of Spain which have regular ferries going back and forth from Morocco every day, or maybe somewhere like Marseille with a big Maghrebian population too?
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Define Africa. All of Africa? Then I choose Paris.
I think Paris wins even if limited to sub-Saharan Africa. Then London. Then New York.
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With this and the Asian thread, are you asking about influence? Because that's a different question from flight connections and immigrant population from those areas.


Paris has a lot of Africans but do they influence Parisian culture to the same extent that African American culture influences New York, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. Does London's Nigerians and Jamaicans push above their weight to have their culture influence the city itself? Need more first hand accounts along with the numbers.
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LONDON non-stops.

I'll exclude the African islands administrated by Europe such as the Canaries, Azores and Madeira:

British Airways - Abuja, Accra, Agadir, Cairo, Cape Town, Johannesburg, Lagos, Luanda, Nairobi, Victoria-Seychelles
Ethiopian Airlines - Addis Ababa
Air Algerie - Algiers
Egypt Air- Cairo
Virgin Atlantic - Cape Town, Johannesburg, Lagos
Royal Air Maroc - Casablanca
South African Airways - Johannesburg
Arik Air - Lagos
Air Mauritius - Port Louis
Kenya Airways - Nairobi
Tunisair - Tunis

Gatwick

British Airways - Cape Town, Port Louis-Mauritius
Thomsonfly - Agadir, Marrakech, Hurghada, Marsa Alam, Sharm El Sheikh, Port Louis-Mauritius, Praia - Cape Verde
Easyjet- Agadir, Marrakech, Hurghada
TUI Airways - Agadir, Marrakech, Hurghada, Marsa Alam, Port Louis-Mauritius, Praia-Cape Verde
Thomas Cook Airlines - Banjul-Gambia, Hurghada, Marsa Alam, Cape Town, Port Louis-Mauritius, Praia- Cape Verde
First Choice - Hurghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Cape Town, Praia-Cape Verde
Medview Airlines - Lagos

Stansted

Easyjet - Fez
Ryanair -Agadir, Fez
TAP Portugal - Fez

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As for diasporas:

In the US I'd say NYC, Washington DC and Minneapolis.

In Europe, I'd say Paris then London.
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London has over 1 million Nigerians alone, who are followed by Ghanaians and South Africans each over 100,000. Nigerians may now be the largest minority, and in terms of visitors they are London's biggest tourist spenders too. Money talks.

One very visible trend is the popularity of afroprint and style the kids today wear





and several Afropunk festivals and events


http://rokit.assets.d3r.com

so a big cultural shift...


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/...yor-of-london/



...away from the Caribbeans, who once numbered 700,000 but has since halved as people move up and out to the leafier suburbs. Jamaicans are a very big cultural influence current music genre (influence such as soca, dancehall, funky, grime, UK garage), food, patois a heavy influence on the London accent etc. But arguably in terms of per capita Trindadians have exerted the most - only 26,000 but they gave birth to the Notting Hill Carnival, the city's biggest event and long the second biggest carnival after Rio, with over a million punters.



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An observation I made a few years ago while over on the continent is that Beijing has been very busy in Africa lately.
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Paris by a long long long shot if we count north africa into consideration as well.

Demographic wise that is.
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With this and the Asian thread, are you asking about influence? Because that's a different question from flight connections and immigrant population from those areas.


Paris has a lot of Africans but do they influence Parisian culture to the same extent that African American culture influences New York, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. Does London's Nigerians and Jamaicans push above their weight to have their culture influence the city itself? Need more first hand accounts along with the numbers.
I would not say africans in paris are as inluental as AFRICAN-AMERICANS which are of course born as raised since generations back.

However they are way more influential than FORST OR SECOND GENERATION africans in any north american city.
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According to Wikipedia there are 200,000 british Nigerians. Muppets figure of 1000000 in London alone sounds like an exaggeration
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I would not say africans in paris are as inluental as AFRICAN-AMERICANS which are of course born as raised since generations back.

However they are way more influential than FORST OR SECOND GENERATION africans in any north american city.
With muppet's post on London, I can see the African influence there. But I haven't seen evidence of Paris' sub Saharan African influence. Is it similar to London?
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^ well with 5 million Nigerians living there, out of London's current population of 30 million, no wonder the influence is so big.
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With this and the Asian thread, are you asking about influence? Because that's a different question from flight connections and immigrant population from those areas.
Well, with this, and the Asian thread (as well as my previous, earlier European one), I was thinking of overall influence from all spheres of influence, cultural, economic, social etc. that can include immigration and travel but more than that too.

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With muppet's post on London, I can see the African influence there. But I haven't seen evidence of Paris' sub Saharan African influence. Is it similar to London?
For Paris, I'm thinking there might be both French-speaking sub Saharan African influence (eg. Senegal), in addition to North African influence (eg. Algeria).
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^ well with 5 million Nigerians living there, out of London's current population of 30 million, no wonder the influence is so big.
I think your numbers are off

Nigerians have 10 million living in ther greater metro area of 100 million Londonites


There is no city on earth as great and so multi cultured and connected as the first level Alpha wolf triple AAAA rated global center of the plant than London save a few Chinese megalopolis’sin the world. No other city can even compare. London dominates every single measure ever made.


Every other city in the world is at best third rate. The rest of the global cities will never do what London does in a day

If I did not have a job I would post at lest 30 pictures of the best and worst in the London metro area but alas I have to work I. The morn


Perhaps this weekend when I’m off I can do these things. Esp the multi cultural things tha only London can do in spades.

There are no second rates. It’s London and than the rest of the

megalopolis that is not London come in a very distant third.


I’m looking at you Tokyo, NYC ext

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London or Paris
This. These countries colonized Africa until fairly recently.

There are probably more white South Africans and Zimbabweans in London than there are actual Africans in any American city outside of NYC. Let alone the Nigerians, Ghanaians, Kenyans, etc.

And for Paris, remember that the Maghreb is still Africa, in addition to the French-speaking countries in West Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_French


What are people thinking when they pick Baltimore? Or even Atlanta. Black American != African.
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I think it is safe to say that whilst London has a sizable Nigerian foreign-born community, it isn’t close to 1mn; at the last count it stood at 94,000. That is still a very large figure of course; New York’s total African FBC stands at just 141,198 and Los Angeles at 24,081. The total figure for London is 573,000.

Paris has several sizable African FBC’s, perhaps the Parisian forum members may be able to provide some data for Greater Paris. It’ll be a toss-up between Paris and London.
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