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This topic annoys me so much lol. I've no idea why it's so high here. I understand completely why people don't declare Irish or English. We've been here forever now. I don't understand how that so effortlessly translates into declaring Canadian ethnicity for so many Newfoundlanders.

In my census division it's 51.8% Canadian ethnicity. Only 1% wrote in Newfoundlander. We definitely need a campaign here to make people consciously think about what they're choosing. In polls we consistently show the vast majority considers themselves Newfoundlanders first, Canadian second (if at all). We need to back that up in census data too.
Just looking at some of the most separatist nationalist parts of Quebec.

Saguenay has 165,000 people, and the vast majority checked off "Canadian". "French" was by far the second choice.

Only 4,000 people checked off "Québécois".

Also in the Bas-St-Laurent region, very separatist and nationalist too.

32,000 people. Only 600 chose "Québécois". "Canadian" far ahead in first place, with "French" a solid by distant second.
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I just assume those people are checking Canadien. In NL there's no other meaning to the term.
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Manitoba does not have counties (thankfully, too Yank-sounding for me). We have Regional Municipalities.
The Ontarians in Manitoba set up a county system in the 19th system but it was abolished.
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I just assume those people are checking Canadien. In NL there's no other meaning to the term.
For sure. "Les vrais Canadiens" even.
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Newfoundland and Labrador:

Division No. 8 (Notre Dame Bay) 51.3%*
Division No. 3 (South Coast) 48.1%*
Division No. 2 (Burin Peninsula) 47.9%*
Division No. 7 (Bonavista) 44.7%*
Division No. 6 (Central Newfoundland) 44.6%*
Division No. 9 (Northern Peninsula) 40.7%*
Division No. 1 (Avalon Peninsula) 36.8%
Division No. 5 (Humber District) 33.7%
Division No. 10 (Labrador) 25.7%
Division No. 4 (St. George's) 23.3%
Division No. 11 (Nunatsiavut) 0.8%
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Oh I shagged something up. Whatever I looked at had over 50% on Avalon Peninsula. 36% doesn't annoy me. There's certainly that many who would purposefully choose Canadian for political reasons.
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You probably found a figure for both single/multiple responses, this is single responses only.
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The "I'm Canadian only, goddamn it" types are outnumbered by English origin in the Avalon CD.

One advantage in Newfoundland is it's pretty easy to find the "missed" Irish. You have about 20% declaring Irish origin but about a third of Newfoundlanders are Catholic. I'd guess about 90% of Catholics in Newfoundland are at least partially of Irish ancestry.
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This topic annoys me so much lol. I've no idea why it's so high here. I understand completely why people don't declare Irish or English. We've been here forever now. I don't understand how that so effortlessly translates into declaring Canadian ethnicity for so many Newfoundlanders.

In my census division it's 51.8% Canadian ethnicity. Only 1% wrote in Newfoundlander. We definitely need a campaign here to make people consciously think about what they're choosing. In polls we consistently show the vast majority considers themselves Newfoundlanders first, Canadian second (if at all). We need to back that up in census data too.
Why do you assume they're not consciously choosing 'Canadian' as the one that fits best? It's only natural that over time people feel more Canadian. Cultural influence and ties are strengthening while people move back and forth. It just means that the province is gradually integrating. I'm not sure why that's such a terrible thing. Newfoundland did vote to join Canada.
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I assume they aren't because I know, politically, a majority of the Avalon Peninsula population would not do that.

It bothers me for my own political reasons - but even objectively it creates a false impression. You'd look at census data and think most people here see themselves as generic Canadians and have no inclination to go into the weeds. Whereas, in reality:



Now the majority are certainly Canadian and happy to be, but there's more layers and complexity than that.
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Quebec and Newfoundland are the only provinces where a majority of residents see themselves as "a people."
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The high rates of Canadian ancestry in Fort McMurray suggests what I suspected, that it's eastern Canadians who moved to western Canada relatively recently, driving up the % Canadian, not "old stock western Canadians".
Fort McMurray is filled with Atlantic Canadians.
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This topic annoys me so much lol. I've no idea why it's so high here. I understand completely why people don't declare Irish or English. We've been here forever now. I don't understand how that so effortlessly translates into declaring Canadian ethnicity for so many Newfoundlanders.

In my census division it's 51.8% Canadian ethnicity. Only 1% wrote in Newfoundlander. We definitely need a campaign here to make people consciously think about what they're choosing. In polls we consistently show the vast majority considers themselves Newfoundlanders first, Canadian second (if at all). We need to back that up in census data too.
It would have to be because people don't consider "Newfoundland" to be an ethnicity. Any such campaign would have to be thought about very carefully. On that subject also note that there is actually no "proper adjective" to describe Newfoundland ethnicity. i.e. "Canadian, English, French, Dutch, American", etc.. Newfoundlandese?
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I'd just say Newfoundlander?

But yeah, it doesn't suit things - only people.. For example, Canada flag/Canadian flag sound equally valid to me. But for us, it would have to be Newfoundland flag, Newfoundland music, etc. "Newfoundlander flag" sounds ridiculous.

Agreed it's potentially messy ground. Ideally it'd be like a nationality, and open to newcomers. We do use it in that way officially:

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I'd just say Newfoundlander?

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It needs to be worked out, so you are Newfoundlandian, and St. Johnsian.
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Terra Novan would work. And we could change Nova Scotian to Newscotlander.
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Terra Novan would work. And we could change Nova Scotian to Newscotlander.
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Manitoba:

Division No. 6 (Virden) 13%
Division No. 3 (Pembina Valley) 12.7%
Division No. 4 (Pilot Mound) 12.3%
Division No. 2 (Steinbach) 12.2%
Division No. 20 (Swan River) 12.2%
Division No. 5 (SW Manitoba) 11.9%
Division No. 7 (Brandon) 11.1%
Division No. 8 (Central Plains) 11%
Division No. 9 (Portage la Prairie) 10.5%
Division No. 10 (Central Plains) 10.2%
Division No. 15 (Western Manitoba) 9.8%
Division No. 14 (South Interlake) 9.4%
Division No. 1 (Eastern Manitoba) 9.2%
Division No. 17 (Dauphin) 9.2%
Division No. 12 (Beausejour) 8.6%
Division No. 13 (Selkirk) 7.5%
Division No. 21 (Flin Flon) 7.4%
Division No. 16 (Roblin) 6.6%
Division No. 18 (North Interlake) 6.6%
Division No. 11 (Winnipeg) 5.8%
Division No. 22 (Thompson) 4.6%
Division No. 23 (Churchill) 3.3%
Division No. 19 (Northeast) 1.9%
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I assume they aren't because I know, politically, a majority of the Avalon Peninsula population would not do that.

It bothers me for my own political reasons - but even objectively it creates a false impression. You'd look at census data and think most people here see themselves as generic Canadians and have no inclination to go into the weeds. Whereas, in reality:



Now the majority are certainly Canadian and happy to be, but there's more layers and complexity than that.
If 50 years from now 90% of Newfoundlanders identified as Canadian first it's either a success or a failure depending on your political allegiance. Personally, I don't see a contradiction between having unique cultural traditions, accent, food and identifying as Canadian. The Inuit are testament to that. They're arguably further from Canadian norms on every level yet overwhelmingly identify as Canadian.

Canada isn't Denmark. We're a massive diverse nation stretching 6 time zones.
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