2017 Census Estimates Released

[skyscraperpage17]

As the title states, the 2017 estimates from the US Census Bureau were released yesterday.

Here's what they show:

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell MSA - 5,884,736 (+89,013 from 2016, 1.5% growth)

Top 5 fastest growing MSAs

1. Dallas
2. Houston
3. Atlanta
4. Phoenix
5. Washington D.C.

Counties

Forsyth - 227,967 (+7,900 from 2016, 3.59% growth)
Cherokee - 247,573 (+5,973 from 2016, 2.47% growth)
Henry - 225,814 (+4,458 from 2016, 2.01% growth)
Paulding - 159,445 (+6,071 from 2016, 2.62% growth)
Coweta - 143,114 (+2,641 from 2016, 1.88% growth)
Fayette - 112,549 (+1,301 from 2016, 1.17% growth)
Douglas - 143,882 (+1,861 from 2016, 1.31% growth)
Barrow - 79,061 (+1,970 from 2016, 2.56% growth)
Clayton - 285,153 (+5,147 from 2016, 1.84% growth)
Meriwether - 21,049 (-23 from 2016, -0.11% decline)
Spalding - 65,380 (+827 from 2016, 1.28% growth)
Butts - 24,059 (+349 from 2016, 1.47% growth)
Pike - 18,217 (+294 from 2016, 1.64% growth)
Lamar - 18,599 (+129 from 2016, 0.70% growth)
Rockdale - 90,312 (+937 from 2016, 1.05% growth)
Newton - 108,078 (+1,498 from 2016, 1.41% growth)
Heard - 11,730 (+156 from 2016, 1.35% growth)
Carroll - 117,812 (+1,521 from 2016, 1.31% growth)
Haralson - 29,256 (+423 from 2016, 1.47% growth)
Polk - 42,085 (+715 from 2016, 0.85% growth)
Bartow - 105,054 (+1,623 from 2016, 1.57% growth)
Dawson - 24,379 (+766 from 2016, 3.24% growth)
Jasper - 13,964 (+143 from 2016, 1.03% growth)
DeKalb - 753,253 (+6,563 from 2016, 0.88% growth)
Gwinnett - 920,260 (+13,159 from 2016, 1.45% growth)
Cobb - 755,754 (+5,277 from 2016, 0.70% growth)
Fulton - 1,041,423 (+17,175 from 2016, 1.68% growth)

Observations:

*Forsyth's explosive growth continues

*Henry remains the fastest growing county south of I-20.

*Coweta should surpass Douglas in population by 2018

*DeKalb may surpass Cobb in population by the 2020 census

*Only Meriwether saw a population decline

*Atlanta is now growing faster than Phoenix

[Pemgin]

Houston and Dallas are just on an entirely different level. What happened for them to widen the gap between us and them in such a relatively short time? What is it about Dallas in particular that makes it so white hot?

[Pemgin]

Is anyone still predicting Gwinnett to outgrow Fulton to become Georgia's largest county? I seem to remember a prediction that that would happen by 2030, but Fulton would have to immediately stagnate with Gwinnett maintaining its current growth for that to happen, and that's clearly not going to happen.

BTW, Fulton's current estimate is 1,041,000.

[L.ARCH]

Would love to see numbers for the city proper.. I imagine a large percentage of Fulton County growth would be City of Atlanta growth.

[Street Advocate]

I did not realize that Miami and DC had surpassed metro Philly in population...

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by Pemgin

Houston and Dallas are just on an entirely different level. What happened for them to widen the gap between us and them in such a relatively short time? What is it about Dallas in particular that makes it so white hot?

Part of it, at least through the first half of the decade, is the oil industry. While the rest of the country was suffering from the effects of the recession, oil was on a tear with prices over $100/barrel and the shale/fracking boom.

Another part of it is the lack of income taxes. That is very attractive for retirees with fixed incomes.

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by L.ARCH

Would love to see numbers for the city proper.. I imagine a large percentage of Fulton County growth would be City of Atlanta growth.

I think the numbers for cities are due in early July.

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by Pemgin

Is anyone still predicting Gwinnett to outgrow Fulton to become Georgia's largest county? I seem to remember a prediction that that would happen by 2030, but Fulton would have to immediately stagnate with Gwinnett maintaining its current growth for that to happen, and that's clearly not going to happen.

BTW, Fulton's current estimate is 1,041,000.

Yes, thanks for pointing that out. I accidentally typed the 2016 numbers.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Pemgin

Houston and Dallas are just on an entirely different level. What happened for them to widen the gap between us and them in such a relatively short time? What is it about Dallas in particular that makes it so white hot?

Just a guess, but I suspect because Texas borders Mexico. Albeit that will change when Trump builds the magic wall.

[scania]

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

Part of it, at least through the first half of the decade, is the oil industry. While the rest of the country was suffering from the effects of the recession, oil was on a tear with prices over $100/barrel and the shale/fracking boom.

The other part of it is the lack of income taxes. That is very attractive for retirees with fixed incomes.

I’m in the oil industry...and some of what you are saying is true. I haven’t been to Dallas, but I hear a lot of nice things about Dallas. I’ve friends that have moved there from NY, LA, and Atlanta. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily an attractive place for retirees. And I’m not saying that that’s not true. What I can tell you is that I just went to Houston for the first time last week. I was AMAMZED. There Downtown was really cool. They have a plethora of skyscrapers, a true grid, where you can walk north 6 blocks and then go west 5 blocks, etc. The nightlife was bustling and I didn’t even stay there on the weekend. It’s like a much bigger Atlanta, with more diversity. I wouldn’t move there...but that’s only because of tides I have with other cities. But there are a lot of young professionals there.

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by scania

I’m in the oil industry...and some of what you are saying is true. I haven’t been to Dallas, but I hear a lot of nice things about Dallas. I’ve friends that have moved there from NY, LA, and Atlanta. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily an attractive place for retirees. And I’m not saying that that’s not true. What I can tell you is that I just went to Houston for the first time last week. I was AMAMZED. There Downtown was really cool. They have a plethora of skyscrapers, a true grid, where you can walk north 6 blocks and then go west 5 blocks, etc. The nightlife was bustling and I didn’t even stay there on the weekend. It’s like a much bigger Atlanta, with more diversity. I wouldn’t move there...but that’s only because of tides I have with other cities. But there are a lot of young professionals there.

What A3000 said probably have some impact too.

It's not just the net migration from Mexico, but those immigrants have children as well which also boosts the population via. natural births.

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by scania

I’m in the oil industry...and some of what you are saying is true. I haven’t been to Dallas, but I hear a lot of nice things about Dallas. I’ve friends that have moved there from NY, LA, and Atlanta. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily an attractive place for retirees. And I’m not saying that that’s not true. What I can tell you is that I just went to Houston for the first time last week. I was AMAMZED. There Downtown was really cool. They have a plethora of skyscrapers, a true grid, where you can walk north 6 blocks and then go west 5 blocks, etc. The nightlife was bustling and I didn’t even stay there on the weekend. It’s like a much bigger Atlanta, with more diversity. I wouldn’t move there...but that’s only because of tides I have with other cities. But there are a lot of young professionals there.

dallas and houston are rich from oil, and huge from being pro growth and pro business above any and all else. though i definitely agree about downtown houston's grid... it's like if everything inside the grady curve was actual skyscrapers. dallas is kind of the same but not quite as large.

on another note, i caught a glimpse of LA's downtown skyline from LAX a few days ago, and was surprised at how small it appears. it's very tall but only a few buildings wide.

[jayden]

Yeah wish we could see the stats for the city proper.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by scania

They have a plethora of skyscrapers, a true grid, where you can walk north 6 blocks and then go west 5 blocks, etc. The nightlife was bustling and I didn’t even stay there on the weekend. It’s like a much bigger Atlanta, with more diversity. I wouldn’t move there...but that’s only because of tides I have with other cities. But there are a lot of young professionals there.

One leg up some cities have on Atlanta is certainly their extended street grid. Atlanta’s is limited and will eventually stifle growth from a density perspective. Atlabta will really need to lean in heavy towards development and residences downtown, otherwise it’s spoke and wheel for miles and miles due to the SFH neighborhoods and lack of development around the HRT stations.

[scania]

Originally Posted by cabasse

on another note, i caught a glimpse of LA's downtown skyline from LAX a few days ago, and was surprised at how small it appears. it's very tall but only a few buildings wide.

Yeah, it depends on the angle. One of the reasons I didn’t buy a condo on Peachtree was because the skyline view of Atlanta can appear small. This is in Midtown looking south towards Downtown. Keep in mind one thing that makes Atlanta skyline cool is the stretch of skyscrapers from Downtown to Buckhead. This is another angle of the skyline.

http://https://www.dropbox.com/s/kec3p34izcdt5cm/d4c6f7a2-b36b-4ea7-b3d6-a2c3cc0b0300.JPG?dl=0

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by cabasse

dallas and houston are rich from oil, and huge from being pro growth and pro business above any and all else. though i definitely agree about downtown houston's grid... it's like if everything inside the grady curve was actual skyscrapers. dallas is kind of the same but not quite as large.

on another note, i caught a glimpse of LA's downtown skyline from LAX a few days ago, and was surprised at how small it appears. it's very tall but only a few buildings wide.

Midtown and Buckhead are the main reasons why Atlanta doesn't have one large area of skyscrapers.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Midtown and Buckhead are the main reasons why Atlanta doesn't have one large area of skyscrapers.

Texas doesn't have a 1K footer. I can't speak for Houston, but I go to Dallas often and it is the land of office campuses circa 1995. Literally every major corporate HQ relocation or expansion goes to the burbs to their island.

[ThrashATL]

Looking at the top 10 cities, it won't be long before Atlanta is 6th largest.

[scania]

Originally Posted by ThrashATL

Looking at the top 10 cities, it won't be long before Atlanta is 6th largest.

What are you talking about? As far as just the city population? If so, Atlanta is like 35 or so. When it come to metro area...those numbers are generally skewed. Some include some areas and others do not. And that goes for all cities.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by scania

What are you talking about? As far as just the city population? If so, Atlanta is like 35 or so. When it come to metro area...those numbers are generally skewed. Some include some areas and others do not. And that goes for all cities.

They’re referring metro populations. I’m definitley more curious about city populations and population density changes of cities.