Mesa, Arizona - A Conservative City Success?

[fflint]

Mesa is the ugliest "city" in America. Congratulations on your success, conservatives!

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by fflint

Mesa is the ugliest "city" in America. Congratulations on your success, conservatives!

I previously mentioned that it is a model of what not to do when it comes to urban planning and I stand by it. Just a city that stands against everything that a good city should be. Actually, to even hold the title of a city is insulting, it is a continuous strip mall.

[Phoenix22]

Originally Posted by fflint

Mesa is the ugliest "city" in America. Congratulations on your success, conservatives!

At least we are not infected with homeless everywhere like in DC, SF or NY
we are not infected with liberals that want everything free and are turning California into Mexifornia

we don't run out of power or water like Mexifornia, we know how to manage our resources much better than Mexifornia.

I wonder why so many people from Mexifornia move here and not the other way around

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

I wonder why so many people from Mexifornia move here and not the other way around

Hello? Because it's cheap.

[soleri]

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

At least we are not infected with homeless everywhere like in DC, SF or NY
we are not infected with liberals that want everything free and are turning California into Mexifornia

we don't run out of power or water like Mexifornia, we know how to manage our resources much better than Mexifornia.

I wonder why so many people from Mexifornia move here and not the other way around

Ever wonder why Arizona is full of right-wing bigots?

Arizona is an also-ran, a state without a diversified economy, foresight, or any plan to improve its dismal economic performance. It's a real-estate hustle built on a lie - that you can degrade the environment without paying any price. It won't even be an interesting civilization to analyze post-mortem once climate change hammers in the final nail. Unless you think all those Wal-Marts drowning in parking lagoons is worthy of awe. Behold your epic achievement, Randian ideologues. Nirvana is just a tax cut away!

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

At least we are not infected with homeless everywhere like in DC, SF or NY
we are not infected with liberals that want everything free and are turning California into Mexifornia

Heretic! Do not make a mockery of some of our finest cities. These are real cities.

Plus, California is arguably the coolest state in the U.S.. I'm in NJ, and I would dump this state in a second for Cali even if it means not living near NYC.

[Kenmore]

all of the dry and sandy southwestern states have a terrible long-term prognosis but at the end of the day, mesa just kind of sucks

[PHX31]

This thread started out with some decent information, dialogue, and moderate concessions about the good points and bad points of various cities... but of course it decayed into a left-wing and right-wing wacko fest with broad generalizations by the closed-minded of both sides. Big surprise on SSP.

[Leo the Dog]

Originally Posted by fflint

Mesa is the ugliest "city" in America. Congratulations on your success, conservatives!

It's comments like these from the same SSP forum members that really make this site a drag. You haven't provided much to the discussion but ignorant, uninformed opinions.

When it is pointed out that you are wrong with your assumptions, you then post something ridiculous and run.


Enough with fflint, back to the discussion.

Mesa is a successful suburb of 460,000 with plenty of room to grow. Growth will consist of infill-density and greenfield development. LRT is expanding and numerous lines/streetcar proposals are being discussed.

The amount of open space is dwindling, but there will be enough room for another huge employment zone, anchored by an airport that one day will relieve PHX. That alone is worth discussing. It is becoming a Ft. Worth or a St. Paul. It's just a suburb, yet has a larger population than many big cities (Minneapolis, Miami, Tampa, Anaheim, Atlanta and denser than ATL), that anchor metro areas. It'll pass up Kansas City and Long Beach this decade. One day it'll pass up Tucson to become the second largest city in AZ.

Would I want to live there? No. Doesnt mean I'm going to hate on it though.

[llamaorama]

Arizonans, giving texans a run for their money in right wing ideological bs.

But shame on the forum era on the other side egging them on.

[Phoenix22]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Heretic! Do not make a mockery of some of our finest cities. These are real cities.

Plus, California is arguably the coolest state in the U.S.. I'm in NJ, and I would dump this state in a second for Cali even if it means not living near NYC.

those might be the finest cities for you and millions more, just like Phoenix, Atlanta, Dallas are the finest for millions more including myself.

you guys think that because a city don't have huge skyscrapers is not a city.

here in AZ, we have all majors sports, concerts, golf courses, good restaurants, casinos, some of the best resorts in the country, nice communities. close to good national parks and forest.

I am happier here than I can be in SF, NY, or DC

I respect that you guys live living in those cities, they are attractive to you, they are not to me and a to a lot of people that I know

[Phoenix22]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

It's comments like these from the same SSP forum members that really make this site a drag. You haven't provided much to the discussion but ignorant, uninformed opinions.

When it is pointed out that you are wrong with your assumptions, you then post something ridiculous and run.


Enough with fflint, back to the discussion.

Mesa is a successful suburb of 460,000 with plenty of room to grow. Growth will consist of infill-density and greenfield development. LRT is expanding and numerous lines/streetcar proposals are being discussed.

The amount of open space is dwindling, but there will be enough room for another huge employment zone, anchored by an airport that one day will relieve PHX. That alone is worth discussing. It is becoming a Ft. Worth or a St. Paul. It's just a suburb, yet has a larger population than many big cities (Minneapolis, Miami, Tampa, Anaheim, Atlanta and denser than ATL), that anchor metro areas. It'll pass up Kansas City and Long Beach this decade. One day it'll pass up Tucson to become the second largest city in AZ.

Would I want to live there? No. Doesnt mean I'm going to hate on it though.

I agree with you on this.

they started attacking Arizona because of being conservative and then they post a picture that does not represent Mesa.

I can find a thousand pics where Mesa Look good and a thousand pics where SF look like a dump.

I actually like visiting SF, I have friends there and I love wine country, but I would not live there

[mrnyc]

well that begs the moral question as to whether mesa, phoenix or anything in the southwest should be allowed to grow given the severe water issues, but i guess thats another issue.

the last time i was in phoenix we had a day long layover so we took the lightrail over to asu in tempe and hung out for awhile. it was very pleasant, lots of cooling water misters. however, one of the strangest rail transit sights i have ever seen was along the way where cowboy types dressed head to foot all in black were waiting out in the sun at desolate bus stops in empty lot after empty lot in 100+ degree heat weather. talk about ya gotta do what ya gotta do - sheesh! well anyway thats not mesa, but thats close as i got.

[Leo the Dog]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

well that begs the moral question as to whether mesa, phoenix or anything in the southwest should be allowed to grow given the severe water issues, but i guess thats another issue.

You do realize that NYC (and numerous other cities) long ago outgrew its local water resources, yet it was "allowed to grow". Why would Phoenix/Mesa be any different?

There is surplus water in metro Phoenix. Here in CA, we are facing water shortages, rate hikes and fines.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

You do realize that NYC (and numerous other cities) long ago outgrew its local water resources, yet it was "allowed to grow".

NYC never outgrew its water resources. NYC owns thousands of miles of watershed land Upstate, and has never been close to capacity. It actually sells water to other municipalities.

NYC may have many issues, but water has never been one of them.

[PHX31]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

well that begs the moral question as to whether mesa, phoenix or anything in the southwest should be allowed to grow given the severe water issues, but i guess thats another issue.

the last time i was in phoenix we had a day long layover so we took the lightrail over to asu in tempe and hung out for awhile. it was very pleasant, lots of cooling water misters. however, one of the strangest rail transit sights i have ever seen was along the way where cowboy types dressed head to foot all in black were waiting out in the sun at desolate bus stops in empty lot after empty lot in 100+ degree heat weather. talk about ya gotta do what ya gotta do - sheesh! well anyway thats not mesa, but thats close as i got.

As Leo pointed out, um, pretty much every major city in the world has outgrown their local resources, not just water. I think it begs the moral question if any city should be allowed to grow.

And your cowboy anecdote makes almost no sense to me. I can't even remember the last time I've seen someone in a cowboy hat (why else would you say someone in all black = a cowboy unless they had a hat too?), let alone in the scenario you described. I'm just going to assume you saw one person along the rail line as you rode by that vaguely fit your description and then projected it across the whole region.

It is just the Arizona-related threads on SSP that brings out the "morans"? Or are people spouting baseless, ignorant opinions on every thread and I only pay attention to AZ threads?

BTW, I hate going to Mesa and would never live there, but it sounds like the city is turning itself around and doing some nice things, so bravo.

[Leo the Dog]

Originally Posted by Crawford

NYC never outgrew its water resources. NYC owns thousands of miles of watershed land Upstate, and has never been close to capacity. It actually sells water to other municipalities.

NYC may have many issues, but water has never been one of them.

Let me clarify. NYC must retrieve water from elsewhere and channel it to the city. Just like LA, SF, Phx. The point is, the local streams and wells of metro NY cannot support the city/region. Despite this, NY made plans to supplement their water needs by grabbing water rights from far away places....just like Western cities have done.

They were "allowed to grow" even though they didn't have the immediate source of water.

[Kenmore]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

There is surplus water in metro Phoenix.

just trolling or do you honestly believe this?

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by AviationGuy

Looks more like some of the more affluent areas of PHX, which might explain the sign on the hillside.

That's an affluent area?!? I nearly spit out my drink when I read that.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by PHX31

As Leo pointed out, um, pretty much every major city in the world has outgrown their local resources, not just water. I think it begs the moral question if any city should be allowed to grow.

And your cowboy anecdote makes almost no sense to me. I can't even remember the last time I've seen someone in a cowboy hat (why else would you say someone in all black = a cowboy unless they had a hat too?), let alone in the scenario you described. I'm just going to assume you saw one person along the rail line as you rode by that vaguely fit your description and then projected it across the whole region.

It is just the Arizona-related threads on SSP that brings out the "morans"? Or are people spouting baseless, ignorant opinions on every thread and I only pay attention to AZ threads?

BTW, I hate going to Mesa and would never live there, but it sounds like the city is turning itself around and doing some nice things, so bravo.

you're right, every city has outgrown its resources. every one. and i only saw one guy. and he had a turban on not a cowboy hat. i must have thought this was a dubai thread and misposted. my bad. carry on.