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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 1:44 AM
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.

A career as Premier started with lies about the sale of BC Rail, through lies about expansion of casino gambling, followed by lies about the HST, a disgraceful trip through the Maui courts over DUI, destruction of the forest products industry for purely political motives, he was a disaster from start to finish.

Now he gets the chance to feed at the trough of his corporate political masters that he served so well.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 2:08 AM
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Sometimes I listen to what people moan about in their leaders and I just think they're all jumping on the bandwagon without being fully-informed.

Typical moan: "X didn't consult us about decision Y".
Response: If X is in "POWER" that means they have been given a mandate to make lots and lots and lots of decision on society's behalf. If you want to be consulted about decision Y, they won't have time to make all of the decisions. Sounds like you're secretly wanting to be in charge yourself, or peeved because X didn't do things the way you would have. Next time, run for X's job instead of whining, please.

Typical moan: "X is ruining our society".
Response: We the public are generally not privy to a tenth of the hard decisions X had to make. We know very little of the facts. We don't have a clue what bargaining happened behind closed doors to make that decision. And besides that, why would an elected official X deliberately try to *ruin* the place they live in? Wouldn't that be suicide? Wouldn't that cause them problems personally? Sounds like X's decisions negatively affected YOU personally, so you're being selfish. Next time, run for X's job instead of whining, please.

Typical moan: "X lied!"
Response: Yes, lying is "bad". And yes, leaders lie on a regular basis. Why? Because they have to make hard decisions that may negatively affect many many people. But at the same time, a whole bunch of other people - possibly not you - will benefit. And leaders notoriously don't want to say anything that makes *anybody* unhappy. We have a rock, and we have a hard place. So if you can think of a better way of making a decision that makes *everybody* happy without lying, then perhaps next time you can run for X's job instead of whining?

Typical moan: "X made such a stupid decision with Y..."
Response: Generally, elected leaders are from the most highly-educated group in any society. They also are generally senior citizens who have done some real living, and more often than not they've had successful careers (lawyers, academics and business executives tend to be the leading previous careers). That tells me they're probably pretty smart. Smarter than I'd say most of the people they are voted into power by. So a "dumber" person calling a "smarter" person's decions "dumb"...seems a bit, er dumb. If you're so smart, perhaps next time you can run for X's job instead of whining.

Typical moan: "Legislation N is BAD!"
Response: You mean bad for you? Bad for people you know? Bad for everybody? How do you define bad, again?
In democratic politics, there is no "bad" and "good", no bad people and good people, no bad decisions and no good decisions. When you have more than 2 people to govern, any decision you make will benefit 1 person more than another. No blanket legislation will be equally good for everybody - unless the legislation is infinitely long and deals with each individual's concerns in person. So just accept, some piece of legislation may not benefit you the most at this stage in your life in your particular neighbourhood at your particular salary level at your particular job, but for many others it's a great thing. Unless, of course, next time you can re-write legislation N yourself to perfect it, instead of whining...

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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 2:53 AM
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Looks like Dianne Watts is the early favourite to replace Gordo.

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CKNW Poll Results

Who should replace Gordon Campbell as the leader of the Liberal Party?

Kevin Falcon 12.2%
Rich Coleman 5.7%
Mike de Jong 13.4%
George Abbott 15.9%
Dianne Watts 52.8%
http://www.cknw.com/Polls/PopUpResults.aspx?QID=11569
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 3:21 AM
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Surprised Colin Hansen isn't up there in the polls. Wonder if anyone on the federal scene would be interested in moving to provincial level if it could mean being Premier. Someone with John Cummins background would bring a large amount of votes.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 4:04 AM
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Hows about Dianne starts smaller; say becoming mayor for a larger city than Surrey, currently mired with moronic leadership, starts with a "V" ends with a "couver"
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 4:23 AM
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's the way politics in BC goes.
I despise Gordon Campbell and perhaps he shouldn't have run for a third term last election. Oh well... it's the way politics go in BC.

Anyway, I do hope that Dianne Watts takes the lead until the next provincial election. I wish that all the parties would just erase everything and start fresh. Both parties suck. And Carole James ain't leadership material.

I'm just glad that Gordon Campbell is gone. This whole situation really reminds me of the end of the Glen Clark NDP era.

BTW don't let the Edmonton location fool you, I am a born and bred British Columbian.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 4:38 AM
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Is that a "Go Gordo, Go" I hear?
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 4:42 AM
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This whole situation really reminds me of the end of the Glen Clark NDP era.
I disagree. What happened today is akin to what happened in July, 1986. Then BC Premier Bill Bennett, who had also won his third straight election, was also very much disliked, the Socreds were low in the opinion polls, and people thought that the NDP would form the next gov't.

In fact, then NDP leader Bob Skelley was a flakey male version of today's Carole James. BTW, James is also suffering from low personal approval numbers and party in-fighting.

Bill Bennett announces his retirement and a leadership convention. The Socreds elect a new leader, the media treats the new leader as a 'movie star', the Socreds sky-rocket in the polls and win a landslide election in October, 1986. But they picked the wrong leader - Vander Zalm - and the rest is history in that regard.

Same dynamic at play today. If Watts, an outsider, is selected as party leader and presents BC with a new vision there will also be a dramatic turnaround in public opinion IMHO.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 5:12 AM
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Surprised Colin Hansen isn't up there in the polls. Wonder if anyone on the federal scene would be interested in moving to provincial level if it could mean being Premier. Someone with John Cummins background would bring a large amount of votes.
Except there's nothing remotely "liberal" about John Cummins, even by the bastardized standards of the BC Liberal party. Cummins might get points for pulling no punches for what he believes, but he's pure Reform.
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Same dynamic at play today. If Watts, an outsider, is selected as party leader and presents BC with a new vision there will also be a dramatic turnaround in public opinion IMHO.
Good post, and there's plenty of time to save the Liberals for a 2013 election, and hopefully save the HST as well. The NDP is certainly in no shape to capitalize.

I saw Carole James on TV shortly after the announcement came out. She looked so smug and self-righteous. Pretty amazing for a two time loser. Somebody should remind her that today's announcement means she has won exactly jack squat. The Liberals won't need to do a lot to catch up to that gong show.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 5:24 AM
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Except there's nothing remotely "liberal" about John Cummins, even by the bastardized standards of the BC Liberal party. Cummins might get points for pulling no punches for what he believes, but he's pure Reform.
Well that little matter and also the fact that Cummins is an advisor to the provincial BC Conservative Party. BTW, Cummins endorsed Independent Vicki Huntington in Delta South as well as New Democrat Guy Genter in Delta North during the last provincial election - he dislikes the Liberals.

The only two BC federal MP's (either Liberal or Conservative) who I would consider potential contenders are Jame Moore from Coquitlam (who is a social moderate) or likeable quasi-Reformer Chuck Strahl from Chilliwack. But they are staying put and certainly don't have the 'star' drawing power of Dianne Watts (or Carole Taylor - my other choice who has decided to go for the SFU Chancellor's gig).
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 6:53 AM
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I disagree. What happened today is akin to what happened in July, 1986. Then BC Premier Bill Bennett, who had also won his third straight election, was also very much disliked, the Socreds were low in the opinion polls, and people thought that the NDP would form the next gov't.

In fact, then NDP leader Bob Skelley was a flakey male version of today's Carole James. BTW, James is also suffering from low personal approval numbers and party in-fighting.

Bill Bennett announces his retirement and a leadership convention. The Socreds elect a new leader, the media treats the new leader as a 'movie star', the Socreds sky-rocket in the polls and win a landslide election in October, 1986. But they picked the wrong leader - Vander Zalm - and the rest is history in that regard.

Same dynamic at play today. If Watts, an outsider, is selected as party leader and presents BC with a new vision there will also be a dramatic turnaround in public opinion IMHO.
Actually, I really don't know that much about what happened pre-NDP as I was more aware of what was going on. When all hell broke loose back in the early 2000s with the NDP I was probably in Grade 8 so it caught my attention and just what I remember what was going down.

Honestly, I haven't really researched on it. To me, I just see some simularities in both instances.
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First choice for me is Carole Taylor, only because she's hotter than Diane Watts. And yes it's mostly cuz I'm sexist, but in the good way.
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the people in surrey city hall haaaaaaaate working for watts, as popular as she is with the public.
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Excuse me for sounding so out of it, but living overseas makes it very difficult to get regional news, let alone national.

Therefore ... could someone please briefly fill me in?

Has Gordon Campbell resigned? What has happened?
Sorry for sounding ignorant, but there is little in the way of BC news available here.

Thank you all for your understanding.
(ps: if it's true that he REALLY HAS left the scene: I'll send you all a bottle of Dom Perignon, and the finest Camembert cheese from Normandy that I can get my hands on)

Gordo gone? Please say it's really true ! ! ! !

CODA: Yes!! I just Googled it and got the news!!: Whewwwwwww!!! Party time!!! And we don't even have to worry about naming the new Port Mann Bridge after him!!! Retire in disgrace, Gordo. We'll all remember you for the weasel you are.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 11:03 AM
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Is that a "Go Gordo, Go" I hear?
Sure is. Funny how syntax can cut both ways !!
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 11:35 AM
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Excuse me for sounding so out of it, but living overseas makes it very difficult to get regional news, let alone national.

Therefore ... could someone please briefly fill me in?

Has Gordon Campbell resigned? What has happened?
Sorry for sounding ignorant, but there is little in the way of BC news available here.

Thank you all for your understanding.
(ps: if it's true that he REALLY HAS left the scene: I'll send you all a bottle of Dom Perignon, and the finest Camembert cheese from Normandy that I can get my hands on)

Gordo gone? Please say it's really true ! ! ! !

CODA: Yes!! I just Googled it and got the news!!: Whewwwwwww!!! Party time!!! And we don't even have to worry about naming the new Port Mann Bridge after him!!! Retire in disgrace, Gordo. We'll all remember you for the weasel you are.
He'll probably still be leader through Christmas until there is a party convention to elect a new leader by all party members in the spring... unless the caucus this week is unanimous in appointing his replacement. But there is no way they would, much better to think this through and find the next 'Zalm.

They will probably appoint an interim leader, then find an "outsider" (like Watts or Furlong, or Owen) to lead in the next election campaign, or squeeze in in a quickie by-election. I just don't see who else in the Liberal party isn't a an exact Gordo duplicate, or a total douche. I would wager that the leader in the next election isn't currently a sitting MLA.

I also think Gordo, after the next provincial election is done, will return to politics and run for MP of Vancouver-Quadra. It worked for another, even more of a disgrace of a premier, Dosanjh, who even switched parties to keep feeding from the public trough.
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i wouldnt mind seeing kevin falcon get in. He got his name out. He's does back the HST but admits they screwed up in putting it in the way they did. He also has hey name out there for alot of the big things going on lately.
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Well I will be sad to see him go. No surprise its happening, and the writing has been on the wall for a while now, but he has done so much good for this province it will be difficult to imagine someone coming in and doing a better job.

Here's to hoping the next premier is an even better one than gordo.
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I think Gordon Campbell was a good Premier. I don't live in BC so I'm on the outide looking in but I think besides his screw up with the HST, which I don't think is a bad thing, he was a very successful Premier and one of the best in this country. He was just named the most fiscally responsible Premier and yet he still focused on things like the environment.

It was his time to go and the public will evenyually get fed up with all leaders if they stay around too long, even Danny Williams.

Does anyone know why Cambell has been punished over the HST but not Harper? Technically it was brought in by the federal government.

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