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Old Posted Nov 7, 2007, 11:49 PM
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SYRACUSE | Destiny USA Hotel | 640 FT / 190 M | 39 FLOORS



The second phase of the Destiny USA project will see a 1,342-room hotel and conference center covered with green solar panel windows rise on the south shore of Onondaga Lake like giant blades of grass.

The $450 million hotel, which has not been named yet, will be the largest in the state outside of New York City and will be powered partly with electricity generated by its solar panel facade and by hydro-electric turbines utilizing rainwater collected on its roof.

Destiny developer Robert Congel is expected to make an official announcement of his plans for the hotel Thursday at the U.S. Green Building Council's Greenbuild International Conference and Expo here. An estimated 25,000 people are attending the conference, which kicked off today with a keynote address by former President Bill Clinton and will run through Friday.

Destiny officials said the hotel will be built to the Green Building Council's highest standards for eco-friendly construction and operation.

No date was set for the start of construction, but it will begin no later than Aug. 1, 2009, the date by which Congel must start the second phase of the Destiny project under the terms of a development agreement with the Syracuse Industrial Development Agency. Destiny executive David Aitken said construction will take 18 months.

The agreement requires Congel to build at least 1,000 rooms and complete them by Feb. 1, 2012.

Congel began construction of Destiny's first phase -- a 1.3-million-square-foot addition to the Carousel Center shopping mall -- in March. The developer has said he plans to build a massive retail, hotel and entertainment center that would expand across Hiawatha Boulevard and reach all the way to the Syracuse Inner Harbor, a former Barge Canal terminal between the Carousel Center and Franklin Square.

Green has been a major theme for Destiny. Congel has pledge to power the complex without using fossil fuels. He and Syracuse Mayor Matt Driscoll are scheduled to make a presentation to Greenbuild Thursday on the public-private partnership formed between the city and Destiny to make the project happen.

Syracuse and Onondaga County have waived most property taxes on the project in hopes of driving up sales tax revenues and creating jobs while seeing what was once a heavily polluted industrial site transformed into a major tourist attraction.

The hotel's green theme will be carried throughout its design, Destiny officials said. A rendering of the hotel shows a V-shape structure on the north side of the Carousel Center, with a green facade that makes it look like six giant blades of grass soaring into the sky next to Onondaga Lake.

Syracuse Mayor Matt Driscoll, who is attending the Greenbuild conference, called the hotel plans "a pretty fantastic design" that would help put the city at the forefront of sustainable buildinig design.

"I think it's outstanding," he said.

Onondaga County Executive Nicholas Pirro said Congel's hotel plans were further evidence that the developer plans to carry through with his pledge to build the larger Destiny project, which has been in the planning stages since 1997.

"I know the plans are to create a unique destination," he said.

Read more of Staff Writer Rick Moriarty's story about the hotel plan in Thursday's Post-Standard.

http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2007/1..._hotel_fo.html


Its Funny, alot of people didnt believe in this project but Phase 1 of Destiny is under-construction. I will be posting more details 2morrow.
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I don't like the design at all.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2007, 11:52 PM
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Its preliminary, wait until tomorrow where more details will be available.
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Its preliminary, wait until tomorrow where more details will be available.
Yeah, I've long since lost track of the whole DestinyUSA thing. Just so much going on around the city. Looking forward to more details.
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Possibly... The idea is neat. But if this thing ever gets completed syr has destroyed any chance of downtown revitalization. It is to close to downtown and the only thing syr has going for it is armory square which i love to go to when i am in syr.

Destiny will be its own little city. Every tourist will go to Destiny and go back home. Where else would they need to go. The smart decision would have been build this in the boondocks so the other malls in syr don't get killed by this thing and your chances for anything to happen downtown is a no go. That is pretty much why the Rochester wilmorite company got out of syr. Those malls are doomed.
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That looks like Emerald city. Too much green IMO.
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That would be a bold design for Syracuse. It was only a matter of time before development hit Onondaga Lake. Someday when it's cleaner it will be an entirely different place.
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Possibly... The idea is neat. But if this thing ever gets completed syr has destroyed any chance of downtown revitalization. It is to close to downtown and the only thing syr has going for it is armory square which i love to go to when i am in syr.
not if they play their cards right. downtown could take off because of this by having clubs, restaurants, boutique shops and cultural attractions to attract visitors to destiny during the evenings and weekends.
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This thing has been around for awhile now. I've never seen this design before though.
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The ones in the back looks like giant grain silos. Not a good thing.
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So why does Syracuse need a large new hotel? What attraction is expected to fill 1342 new rooms? Does Syracuse need a new hotel and a new reason for people to come there?
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So why does Syracuse need a large new hotel? What attraction is expected to fill 1342 new rooms? Does Syracuse need a new hotel and a new reason for people to come there?
Actually Syracuse has a pretty good demand for hotel rooms. Syracuse hosts alot of conventions, Syracuse U. Is a big draw, and with so many people who moved out of syracuse they need a hotel to stay in when they come back to visit

The Hotel is going to go hand in hand with the mall, Which after phase 1 will be the 4th largest in the US.
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Well better in syracuse than wny. that thing is fugly... Don't mind putting it under onondaga lake? it would go nicely with how clean the lake is...
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I didn't realize that "solar-panel windows" were a technology that worked already. If the panels work for this project, hopefully more future projects will incorporate something similar.
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The Hotel is going to go hand in hand with the mall, Which after phase 1 will be the 4th largest in the US.
I would think this only has a chance if there is in fact demand for hotel rooms in Syracuse. I don't think a mall is a selling point to tourism. Palisades Center off the NY Thruway in Nyack is supposedly second to Mall of America in square footage. I don't see any hotels there. So I don't see where Destiny is going to draw many tourists besides regional. There's also fierce competition from casino resorts all around you. And that just continues to proliferate with no end in sight.

Furthermore, if downtown Syracuse is revitalizing the way Peanut says it is, wouldn't a mall/resort sort of cannibalize that? I'm just thinking of the Atlantic City effect.
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could be, but I thought that King of Prussia (PA) was second in size....
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but I thought that King of Prussia (PA) was second in size....
After a check, I did find King of Prussia mall at #2 on certain lists...although it's confusing how they measure these things unless you are into this marketting stuff.

wikipedia--The Palisades Center, often referred to as the Palisades Mall, in West Nyack, New York is one of the largest malls in the United States. Depending on how it is measured, it is considered to both the second largest shopping mall in U.S. and the second largest mall in the New York metropolitan area. With 3.5 million square feet, the Palisades is second only to the Mall of America in total area. When measured by its 2 million square feet of gross leasable area (GLA), the Palisades drops to 15th in size in the U.S. and the second in the New York metropolitan area after Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City, New York.

Evidently, "Destiny USA" involves expansion of the Carousel Center mall into a sort of a Mall of America and beyond. The entertainment complex planned is so ambitious it really does have shades of Dubailand. It won't officially assume the name "Destiny USA" until after Phase 2, which is construction of the hotel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_USA
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To put things into perspective....

Downtown Syracuse used to have a huge hotel called "Hotel Syracuse" with 600 rooms. When it closed to make way for apartments and condos, Syracuse lost 600 hotel rooms.

My point. This 1,342-room Hotel is roughly only double the number of rooms Syracuse lost two years ago. So basically this hotel is only adding 750 rooms to the Syracuse market.
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Well better in syracuse than wny. that thing is fugly... Don't mind putting it under onondaga lake? it would go nicely with how clean the lake is...
Sounds like your bitter, how about we wait until a actual conceptual drawing of the building is completed before we bash it. Fact is it could be a revolutionary building if all the green technology touted for this project is actually used.
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not if they play their cards right. downtown could take off because of this by having clubs, restaurants, boutique shops and cultural attractions to attract visitors to destiny during the evenings and weekends.
Exactly, people from around syracuse said Downtown would never get any better if they built Carousel. Yes Stores did close but it was the suburban malls. And Something Crazy happened, Downtown took off, people went back. Think of it like this, when yout go to disney land for a week, do you spend all 7 days there or do you go to Orlando at all?
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