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Old Posted Jul 17, 2017, 10:00 PM
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It's an extension of not seeing the US as foreign even though it is. Canadians viewed GM, Ford, and Chrysler as our 'domestic' automakers, for instance. Many still do.

It's more informative seeing how much of the international traffic is US traffic but agree with you that not including US traffic in the international figure is a bizarre Canadianism.
I always assumed that was the intent of subdividing the international numbers.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2017, 10:30 PM
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It's mostly done, I think, because of preclearance. Otherwise, I doubt it would be done.
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TAP recently operated their Retrojet A330-300 into YYZ a couple of times, and on one occasion at least, operated a fully retro-uniformed and retro-catered inflight service.

Very cool, TAP!

https://thedesignair.net/2017/07/17/...cial-retrojet/
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 4:25 PM
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Rumor has it that Emirates wants to go to YUL. 3 weekly with a B777, nothing offical though.
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GS Mtl already brought that rumour up. Read the last 3-4 pages on why it's very very unlikely to happen.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 7:12 PM
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I think this is the source http://www.lesailesduquebec.com/?p=3499

Is that website even reliable?
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Overall its easier to fly YVR/YYC-YYZ and then connect to the world.
Well it's very much out of the way. I think if AT is planning on funneling Western Canada - Europe PAX through YYZ/YUL they are just handing that business to Route and Westjet... which maybe they are.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 7:26 PM
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Well it's very much out of the way. I think if AT is planning on funneling Western Canada - Europe PAX through YYZ/YUL they are just handing that business to Route and Westjet... which maybe they are.
How is that less acceptable than funneling Eastern Canada - Asia PAX through YVR?
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 7:28 PM
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This is interesting. http://www.speedtest.net/insights/bl...-america-2017/

YVR and YYC have fast, free wi-fi.

YYZ and YUL are at the bottom of the list, YUL borderline unusable.

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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 8:00 PM
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How is that less acceptable than funneling Eastern Canada - Asia PAX through YVR?
Who does that?

Outside of Australia AC generally routes its Eastern Canadian PAX through YYZ.

Air Canada serves 6 mainline Asian destinations from its YVR hub and 6 mainline Asian destinations from it's YYZ hub.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 8:25 PM
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Who does that?

Outside of Australia AC generally routes its Eastern Canadian PAX through YYZ.

Air Canada serves 6 mainline Asian destinations from its YVR hub and 6 mainline Asian destinations from it's YYZ hub.
Out of Montreal, based on my (anecdotal) experience, I'd say it was (before Mtl got direct China flights) 50% through YVR, 50% through YYZ.
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This is interesting. http://www.speedtest.net/insights/bl...-america-2017/

YVR and YYC have fast, free wi-fi.

YYZ and YUL are at the bottom of the list, YUL borderline unusable.
Interesting, because from my experience I've not had an issue at YYZ with their Wi-Fi, but couldn't get anything to load at YVR when I was there a few weeks ago. In the end I gave up trying and just used my own data. YYC though was fast.
I'm flying through YVR again in a few weeks, I'll have to check what it's like then.

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Most passengers by countries

Country / Pax 2016 / Pax 2015

1. United States / 1.686.443.663 / 1.600.273.456
2. China / 1.016.357.068 / 989.129.255
3. Japan / 293.092.201 / 280.000.000
4. United Kingdom / 271.744.874 / 254.744.874
5. India / 254.574.817 / 211.613.596
6. Spain / 230.229.523 / 207.421.046
7. Germany / 226.000.754 / 216.475.521
8. Brazil / 204.260.539 / 212.000.000
9. Indonesia / 189.624.896 / 176.000.000
10. Turkey / 175.467.096 / 183.180.886
11. France / 174.976.747 / 169.947.826
12. Italy / 164.691.059 / 157.824.465
13. Russia / 158.100.516 / 156.000.000
14. Australia / 154.724.055 / 149.062.941

Canada is 15th... with 133M (for 2015) passengers transported

I know Australia is extremely isolated from just about every country but kind of disappointed they are ahead of us with only 2/3 of our population.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 3:41 AM
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I know Australia is extremely isolated from just about every country but kind of disappointed they are ahead of us with only 2/3 of our population.
Their big cities are also far enough apart that much less travel is by train. https://www.commsec.com.au/content/d...hts_230316.pdf
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 8:28 AM
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Top 5 airports in Australia handled 117 million + passengers in 2016.

Canada's top 5 for 2016 is around 105 million+.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 9:15 AM
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Most passengers by countries

14. Australia / 154.724.055 / 149.062.941

Canada is 15th... with 133M (for 2015) passengers transported

I know Australia is extremely isolated from just about every country but kind of disappointed they are ahead of us with only 2/3 of our population.
Yes Australia is isolated where we have other options. Canada-US for example:

There are 300,000 people crossing the Canada-US border each day…so about 110 million per year. About 16 million fly…..leaving 94 million….and probably most are driving (or on the bus or train) That is a lot of potential airline passengers!

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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 11:15 AM
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Most passengers by countries

Country / Pax 2016 / Pax 2015

1. United States / 1.686.443.663 / 1.600.273.456
2. China / 1.016.357.068 / 989.129.255
3. Japan / 293.092.201 / 280.000.000
The difference between the top 3 is staggering ! China should eventually catch up to the US, further distancing the 2 superpowers from the rest of the pack.

However, the US growth rate from 2015 to 2016 surpassed that of China. I think China needs to restructure their entire airspace system to cope with the increase in demand. A lot of restrictions at the moment, hindering growth.

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Most passengers by countries

Country / Pax 2016 / Pax 2015

13. Russia / 158.100.516 / 156.000.000
Russia is also interesting. For such a big country of 144 million people, it should theoretically be at a higher position. However, most of the population is concentrated to the west, and disposable income isn't as high as the European countries, explaining the weaker air travel numbers.

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but kind of disappointed they are ahead of us with only 2/3 of our population.
The reasons mentioned above sum up why. I'm actually impressed with Canada's ranking. For a country of only 35 million people, being in the top 15 is great ! Australia and Spain aside, all the other countries have a population of over 60 million. 7 countries have a population of over 120 million.

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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 3:44 PM
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With the massive growth our big airports have seen in 2016, 2017, especially YYZ and YVR, I wonder if the gap is narrowing with Australia.

Sydney used to be busier than YYZ a few years ago but YYZ really exploded and is quite ahead now
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 9:01 PM
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With the massive growth our big airports have seen in 2016, 2017, especially YYZ and YVR, I wonder if the gap is narrowing with Australia.

Sydney used to be busier than YYZ a few years ago but YYZ really exploded and is quite ahead now
The gap will narrow somewhat, but I dont think it will be enough to overtake Australia. YYZ having a slight edge on SYD is not what will make Canada overtake Australia. The secondary Australian airports are much busier than their Canadian counterparts. (MEL by 11 million over YVR and BNE by close to 6 million over YUL)
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