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Why is 33 too young?? Niki Ashton has been an MP for 8 years and has already been a candidate for leadership of the NDP. PMJT was first elected as an MP in the same election as she was!

I feel that Niki Ashton will likely be the next leader of the federal NDP. She is the only current MP who would be appealing across the country and who speaks both official languages. (she actually speaks a bunch of languages) Having a younger leader would give the party a new look and take away some of the hype that Trudeau gets. She also represents a rural riding (Churchill—Keewatinook Aski) of Northern Manitoba which has a majority indigenous population. The last three NDP leaders represented very urban ridings.
The fact that she is only a few years older than me and she has achieved so much in terms of experience and education makes me ponder what i've done with my life so far.

She's definitely my pick. My only issue would be that she isn't as personable and likeable as "Happy Jack" and her personality is more in line with "Angry Tom". I think Nathan Cullen is the more likeable and down to earth personality (my second choice).
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The fact that she is only a few years older than me and she has achieved so much in terms of experience and education makes me ponder what i've done with my life so far.

She's definitely my pick. My only issue would be that she isn't as personable and likeable as "Happy Jack" and her personality is more in line with "Angry Tom". I think Nathan Cullen is the more likeable and down to earth personality (my second choice).
I'm older than her and haven't achieved anything like she has but then again, most people haven't.

From what I've seen and heard she is very personable. Maybe it's the on camera personality that isn't as strong as it was with Jack Layton?
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I don't know what the dippers are thinking adopting the Leap Manifesto!!

The implications of this document are profound. They have just destroyed any chance their party had in BC, AB or SK (except perhaps for a couple of DT Vancouver ridings that could just go Green in any event).

They will lose QC as well, having just crucified Mulcair like they did. QC isn't traditional NDP territory anyway.

Most of the Maritimes rely on a resource based economy. The dippers might still do OK in Halifax with that city's civil service heavy economy, but the rest of Atlantic Canada is now a write-off.

The NDP might still win about 8-10 seats in traditional areas of Ontario, like the GGHA, metro Windsor and perhaps NW Ontario, but that's it.

I doubt that the NDP could win any more than 15 seats nationwide.

Maybe they should just throw in the towel and merge with the Green Party. Somehow, I think there are fewer looney type people amongst the Greens these days than there is amongst the NDP.........
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Why is 33 too young?? Niki Ashton has been an MP for 8 years and has already been a candidate for leadership of the NDP. PMJT was first elected as an MP in the same election as she was!

I feel that Niki Ashton will likely be the next leader of the federal NDP. She is the only current MP who would be appealing across the country and who speaks both official languages. (she actually speaks a bunch of languages) Having a younger leader would give the party a new look and take away some of the hype that Trudeau gets. She also represents a rural riding (Churchill—Keewatinook Aski) of Northern Manitoba which has a majority indigenous population. The last three NDP leaders represented very urban ridings.
I like her. She's also fluentement bilingualle.
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In some ways it's unfortunate. Regardless of what you thought of him personally or politically, he was one of the best Official Opposition leaders the country has had in decades. He did a superb job of holding Harper to account.

The loss of the election and his personal demise on the other hand was completely self- inflicted. His switch to the middle during the campaign with his stupid "balanced budget" was seen by everyone as a lie and a deceit by a leader and party trying anything to gain power.

I think the real issue now is not who will replace Mulcair but rather if this could be the beginning of the end for the NDP whether they morph into something new or decide to create a new alliance with the Greens potentially. After 70 years in federal politics the NDP has to start looking at itself and realizing that they may never win and election and it's time to try something entirely new.
I agree. If they go ahead with the Leap Manifesto they will abandon a huge swath of their Western and industrial union base. Might as well merge with the Greens.
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With Mulcair out, this is the end of the NDP in Quebec for good now, which means it is the end of the new NDP.
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Maybe the 10-15% of the electorate that are pure socialist should start a new party of their own. (Perhaps a Canadian Labour Party?)

The New Democrats should keep aiming for the direction that Jack Layton started.
Layton was considered to be on the left side of the party.
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With Mulcair out, this is the end of the NDP in Quebec for good now, which means it is the end of the new NDP.
What if Boulerice were to succeed him?
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With Mulcair out, this is the end of the NDP in Quebec for good now, which means it is the end of the new NDP.
This is an excellent point.

The NDP seems destined to return to the Broadbent-McLaughlin-McDonough era.

Layton broke new ground for them but it looks like a big step back is in the cards for them.

This is not to say that a party needs to have a leader from Quebec in order to gain support in Quebec, but certainly many parties in Canada have failed to have leaders and platforms that appealled to the province. Also, it's the worst-kept-secret in Canadian politics that parties that don't have at least some support in Quebec are often not taken seriously by voters in Ontario. So that's kind of a monkey you can have on your back as well. Although there are exceptions like the last majority Harper government - good support in Ontario, almost none in Quebec.
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I see the Leap Manifesto as something that will be terrible for the party. Imagine the debate going on for 2 years which is when they want to get a new leader and then pass it through. You would kill any chance of Notley getting reelected in Alberta unless Notley splits the Provincial Party from the Feds completely. Then consider that Ontario, Quebec and BC are all Liberal Provincial Governments with no chance for the NDP near term. Then what do you do. You are a rump party federally as you have nothing in Atlantic Canada but could gain a couple again, you would lose the Quebec Seats (Mulcair not there being a big reason), kill relationship with the unions in Ontario. The manifesto means you get nothing in Saskatchewan, Alberta and BC so they would be lucky to get 15 seats. In fact I could see many actually leaving them for the Greens at that point.
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i just went to the Leap website. Boy are those folks living in an absolute fantasy.

Here are a couple demands:

#6 We want high-speed rail powered by just renewables and affordable public transit to unite every community in this country – in place of more cars, pipelines and exploding trains that endanger and divide us. - How are they going to build and maintain this without steel, cement and plastics?

#9 We must develop a more localized and ecologically-based agricultural system to reduce reliance on fossil fuels, absorb shocks in the global supply – and produce healthier and more affordable food for everyone. - Yep, I can see all those movies stars and social justice warriors move out to their own 1/4 section to raise their food.
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Why is 33 too young?? Niki Ashton has been an MP for 8 years and has already been a candidate for leadership of the NDP. PMJT was first elected as an MP in the same election as she was!

I feel that Niki Ashton will likely be the next leader of the federal NDP. She is the only current MP who would be appealing across the country and who speaks both official languages. (she actually speaks a bunch of languages) Having a younger leader would give the party a new look and take away some of the hype that Trudeau gets. She also represents a rural riding (Churchill—Keewatinook Aski) of Northern Manitoba which has a majority indigenous population. The last three NDP leaders represented very urban ridings.
I hardly doubt a hardcore lefty will appeal to many.
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I like her. She's also fluentement bilingualle.
Among the non-Quebec MPs, who else is fluent? Peter Julian probably speaks the best French - he even has a degree from UQAM.

Cullen is said to bilingual as well.
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The NDP might still win about 8-10 seats in traditional areas of Ontario, like the GGHA, metro Windsor and perhaps NW Ontario, but that's it.
Outside of downtown Toronto and some university areas, forget it. I don't think the average auto worker/blue collar union type (Windsor area, Oshawa, parts of London, etc.) is looking at the Leap Manifesto agenda. I know they are not economically conservative and want protectionism, but they certainly don't want the radical environmentalism or hipster culture. I see those votes becoming up for grabs - the question is whether the Liberals or Conservatives would be more likely to take them since they are a natural fit with the "old school" NDP.

The Leap Manifesto would probably do OK in urban Montreal (i.e. the core in the Quebec Solidaire ridings) where the general political views are hard left. However, the rest of the Quebec seats would likely float all over the place - Liberal in Greater Montreal, Bloc or Conservative elsewhere.
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Leap Manifesto: Alberta NDP 'had nothing to do with this nonsense'
'These downtown Toronto political dilettantes come to Alberta and track their garbage across our front lawn'
By Bill Stadel, with files from CBC's Edmonton AM, CBC News Posted: Apr 11, 2016 9:47 AM MT|
Last Updated: Apr 11, 2016 10:50 AM MT

Alberta NDP members are tending to their wounds after falling prey to Toronto "dilettantes" and their "garbage" Leap Manifesto at the party's national convention in Edmonton.

"I'm spitting angry," says Alberta labour leader Gil McGowan. "These downtown Toronto political dilettantes come to Alberta and track their garbage across our front lawn."

The manifesto, which advocates a swift end to the use of fossil fuels, including a moratorium on new infrastructure projects such as pipelines, was spearheaded by documentary filmmaker Avi Lewis and his wife, anti-capitalism activist and author Naomi Klein.

More:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...nger-1.3529980

And so it begins.

The NDP is starting to split apart. There will likely be no party left in two years time when the leadership convention takes place......
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Among the non-Quebec MPs, who else is fluent? Peter Julian probably speaks the best French - he even has a degree from UQAM.

Cullen is said to bilingual as well.
Yes, Julian's French is excellent.

I've actually met him quite a few times. He's a pretty cool dude.
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What if Boulerice were to succeed him?
Boulerice is bright but I doubt they'll go for another leader from Quebec.

At least a small part of Mulcair's defeat is probably about traditional NDP people taking back control of the party.

The 2011 election saw the Orange Wave in Quebec and led to a party with a large majority of Quebec (mostly) francophone MPs juxtaposed with the old, massively anglophone (from outside Quebec) party membership, braintrust and administration.

I don't necessarily think that it was a nightmare and that those people couldn't get along and get work done. Overall, I actually think they did OK.

But the election last October was a huge disappointment for the NDP, and in such a context it's not surprising that they are maybe going to try to regroup based on the party's foundations.
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The Leap Manifesto will severely hurt NDP support in Northern Ontario and probably in Northern Quebec as well.

It is just so out of touch and would hurt the many NDP MPs who currently represent ridings with resource-based economies. It will also be seen as an attack on mining and forestry. Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein are wealthy and very urban-centric. I don't feel they are a good fit for being so involved with the NDP. They are the type of people who give the party a bad name among those who might consider supporting the party.
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Leap Manifesto: Alberta NDP 'had nothing to do with this nonsense'
'These downtown Toronto political dilettantes come to Alberta and track their garbage across our front lawn'
By Bill Stadel, with files from CBC's Edmonton AM, CBC News Posted: Apr 11, 2016 9:47 AM MT|
Last Updated: Apr 11, 2016 10:50 AM MT

Alberta NDP members are tending to their wounds after falling prey to Toronto "dilettantes" and their "garbage" Leap Manifesto at the party's national convention in Edmonton.

"I'm spitting angry," says Alberta labour leader Gil McGowan. "These downtown Toronto political dilettantes come to Alberta and track their garbage across our front lawn."

The manifesto, which advocates a swift end to the use of fossil fuels, including a moratorium on new infrastructure projects such as pipelines, was spearheaded by documentary filmmaker Avi Lewis and his wife, anti-capitalism activist and author Naomi Klein.

More:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...nger-1.3529980

And so it begins.

The NDP is starting to split apart. There will likely be no party left in two years time when the leadership convention takes place......
Boy, did the Liberals ever hit the jackpot. Not only did they win the surprise majority, but now they get to govern while both opposition parties, each with deep divisions, go through what will likely be tumultuous leadership races. Even if both the Conservatives and NDP remain united parties coming out of it all they will likely each have alienated some part of their respective base, all while being left with leaders that are, by default, lesser known and experienced than the leader that they will be replacing and, due to the uncertainty of leadership battles, both will probably be way behind the Liberals in fundraising, especially since governing parties have the natural fundraising advantage.
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Yes, Julian's French is excellent.

I've actually met him quite a few times. He's a pretty cool dude.
He would actually be the first BC leader of the party (Tommy Douglas doesn't count).
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