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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 1:21 AM
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If you feel that 5 miles from central downtown Moncton is in the middle of nowhere, especially here in the Maritime provinces, when going 30 miles to Shediac is a simple stroll or going to PEI to visit family.
The casino is further and I don't consider it the middle of nowhere...it's a built up area with hotels and commercial development all around. The site you refer to is on a country road with limited access and no residential/commercial/any development adjacent. Aka the middle of nowhere.

The fact is this development MUST go downtown or not happen at all...we can make parking available, in downtown Moncton parking is the LEAST of my worries. I personally don't care where exactly it goes downtown...I in fact was in favor of behind assomption place because it would FORCE the city to build parking garages for once.

Your point is moot and this is the wrong crowd for it, we are mainly pro "sustainable" development, "urban" development and "smart" development.

If you want support go to CBC.ca I'm sure they will love you there.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 1:22 AM
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We all get it, your land is free and nobody wants it, so your promoting it to get rid of it..... If you want to do something... talk to Bedford and Buck, maybe they will buy it and build some houses on it! Or maybe talk to the Leblanc's who own Trim-way and the Gas station in Point Park, I'm sure they would love to use your land for there Landscaping business... Those two options are more fit for a rural spot like that...
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 1:34 AM
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a shoebox is for shoes, many acres are for an EVENTS CENTRE that thinks about the future.
Highfield Square needs to become a beautiful park, with a small lake and ducks,
nice green grass with tall trees and people living close by will certainly appreciate this.
First you argued that Highfield Square is too expensive to clean up in order to replace it with an events centre. Now you're suggesting that we spend extra funds to make it adequate for a lake and wildlife, and that we can wait a couple of decades for trees to be tall enough to give the feel of a rural park.

Then where residents in Lower Coverdale already enjoy a clean, quiet and pleasant rural area, we should build an events centre.

On cycling to Lower Coverdale: a lot of people would consider 8 kilometres to be far -- it's anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes depending on the person and type of bike. Having ridden a number of times on 114, I can also tell you that it's one of the rural roads I fear the most in the area because it's busy, narrow, has no paved shoulders, and drivers tend to speed. Just imagine riding on a bike back to Moncton in the dark after an event where thousands of drivers are trying to rush back home, many of whom had a drink or two.

I was looking at Google maps and I see that the area you own is already all clear-cut, and that there are small subdivisions just north (Duffy) and south (Baxter and Dryden) of your property. Couldn't you make an easy sale to the developers of those subdivisions? The new events centre might not have to be located at Highfield Square, but do you realistically think that there's a chance your proposal might become reality? My advice: sell.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 12:42 PM
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Another small thing that no one has mentioned is that Lower Coverdale is an unincorporated area, and as such is not part of Moncton, Riverview, or Dieppe. This means that none of the three municipalities will receive any tax revenue for their "investment" in an events centre in Lower Coverdale. The provincial government will get property tax revenue, albeit at a lower rate.

Return on investment = $0. Chances of this happening = 0%. Easy math.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 1:46 PM
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PARKING 3,500 on-site spaces, LEASING of the land, FUTURE EXPANSION possibility. Here are the only three ABSOLUTE components for investors to even consider investing.
You forgot LACK OF ACCESS.

PS: Leased land... I'd love to see what the annual cost of THAT would jump to after the "project" is in place.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 2:11 PM
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Look, I really do not want to be rude, but I come to this site to read and discuss about developpement-related news; not to read the type of negative comments that you could find on the CBC news website. I understand your point and I respect it although I strongly do not believe in it or support it in any way. In fact, it just does not make any sense for me.

From what I understand, you only want to promote your project. This is not the place to do it. If you are not OK with our POV, just accept it, you can maybe comment once, but please stop polluting to forum with the same paragraphs over and over and over (which, I'm sorry, do not have any logic). Now, your point is out there, we saw your posts, but stop doing everything you could possibly do to try to make us change our minds or to make us believe that your land is the best place; trust me, it will not work. Just as a note, even though I do not want to spark the debate, basically anywhere else in Moncton would be better for the new civic center that Lower Coverdale.

Now, just to sum it up, please stop spamming the forum. I'm totally sick of it and you're just losing credibility.

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This is flat out Spam now.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 7:24 PM
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Controversial opinions are welcome so long as they are constructive and not personal. Spamming on the other hand isn't allowed, and that has been made abundantly clear.
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My personal opinion is if the city wanted to build the events centre where there would be ample parking and not downtown, just teardown the coliseum and rebuild there.
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My personal opinion is if the city wanted to build the events centre where there would be ample parking and not downtown, just teardown the coliseum and rebuild there.
Great idea. We will just go without a major entertainment venue for the next 3 years.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2013, 12:42 PM
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Great idea. We will just go without a major entertainment venue for the next 3 years.
It's not what I want to see but would be more logical than Lower Coverdale.

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Old Posted Apr 26, 2013, 12:50 PM
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It's not what want to see but would be more logical than Lower Coverdale.
I can't argue with that, at least.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2013, 1:14 PM
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Lower Coverdale? That's insane...that makes no logical or fiscal sense at all, period.

The Casino is far out? Sure, but I know many people that live in Central Moncton, that don't go to the Casino for shows 'because' of where it is. It's an almost $20 cab ride for them. To suggest Lower Coverdale is ludicrous.

A park...where Highfiled Square is? While a major central park in the city (like the Public Gardens in Halifax, Odell in Fredericton, etc) would be awesome, we have Centennial, Victoria (which could be even greater), and a crap ton of trails, not to mention Mapleton and Irishtown Parks. A park at Highfield Square causes no one to move into the core, generates no revenue for the city/province, and just doesn't make sense.

Parking? 3500 permanent parking spaces...have you looked within a few blocks of HS? There is parking everywhere! Plus there will be a component of parking built into the new center. On top of that, this will encourage many to live in downtown, which won't require a car for them to get to the events center.

Putting it in Lower Coverdale makes even less sense than putting Moncton High at Royal Oakes and we all know how much sense that makes...none, zip, nada!

Stop spamming with an illogical suggestion dude...not cool.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2013, 1:14 PM
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It would actually make more sense to put it across from the new Moncton High rather than out in Lower Coverdale. At least out there we'd already have the street and utility infrastructure in place!
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2013, 1:28 PM
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It would actually make more sense to put it across from the new Moncton High rather than out in Lower Coverdale. At least out there we'd already have the street and utility infrastructure in place!
And a park
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2013, 2:49 PM
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For your arguments to be correct, you have to believe with absolute certainty that Lower Coverdale is an inadequate location for the Events Center. In order to convince yourself with absolute certainty, you must examine all the potential places where the new Events Center could possibly be built. Since you obviously haven't researched it, your position is incorrect and indefensible.
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For your arguments to be correct, you have to believe with absolute certainty that Lower Coverdale is an inadequate location for the Events Center. In order to convince yourself with absolute certainty, you must examine all the potential places where the new Events Center could possibly be built. Since you obviously haven't researched it, your position is incorrect and indefensible.
I'm pretty sure I speak for every member, contributor, reader on this forum when I say, we are 1000% absolutely positively undoubtedly certain that Lower Coverdale is an inadequate location.

We have been discussing the subject of the downtown event centre for about three years now. 3500 permanent parking spaces is the least of our worries. In fact, some of us, including myself thinks it's an irrelevant issue if the event centre is to be built on HS or behind the Assumption building.

Good luck to you and your land.
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It always amazes me how personal some people take critiques of their unfounded assumptions, especially when bright new ideas are introduced. It's a really powerful thing, and what critic doesn't love such a visceral or splanchnic reaction?
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It always amazes me how personal some people take critiques of their unfounded assumptions, especially when bright new ideas are introduced. It's a really powerful thing, and what critic doesn't love such a visceral or splanchnic reaction?
How can you call our assumptions unfounded?

How do you know none of us here have not researched it?

When not one individual on this forum, a construction and urban renewal forum, thinks your idea is valid, feasible, or makes any kind of logistical or fiscal sense...how can you call it a 'bright new idea'?

I, as do many others, believe this to be 'with absolute certainty' that Lower Coverdale is the wrong place for a new Events Center.

Good lord will you stop this nonsense now please?!?
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Good lord will you stop this nonsense now please?!?
I trust this should help?
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