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Old Posted Jun 18, 2018, 6:13 PM
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I haven't been following this. Can these jackasses force a height reduction or is their opinion merely advisory.
Advisory only. Eric knows that.
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Advisory only. Eric knows that.
Thanks. If this was on Montague Street or on Prospect Park West, I'd protest too, but it's perfectly appropriate for Flatbush.
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Fortunately where it matters, NYC Department of Buildings Commission is pro-development leaning. Deblasio as well, and his administration, is pro-development leaning (as seen with the increase in affordable housing units; up to 300,000 from 200,000). Mr.Adams suggestion is merely advisory. Hell, even the land marks commission is somewhat pro-development, and I get thier stance at times. If your going to modify a landmark, yah gotta have a high quality reason, and a project to match that is excellent.
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I've been waiting on the person that really matters here, the local council member. Because that's what the city council will follow. Still haven't heard anything...


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Speaking on behalf of New York City Council Majority Leader Laurie A. Cumbo, a representative told the crowd she did not have a position at this time, which elicited jeers from the audience.
https://council.nyc.gov/district-35/
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http://www.brooklyneagle.com/article...ing-commission

New Yorkers debate pros and cons of 80 Flatbush development at City Planning Commission hearing

By Lore Croghan


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Opponents say that tripling this development site's density would set a dangerous precedent on the Flatbush Avenue corridor.

It would allow the construction of a skyscraper as tall as the Chrysler Building in low-rise Boerum Hill.

Supporters say this project is a model of responsible development.

It would bring affordable housing and a modern building for Khalil Gibran International Academy, whose aging facility doesn't meet students' needs.


Peter Gee voices his support for the 80 Flatbush project at a City Planning Commission hearing. Eagle photo by Lore Croghan


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More than 30 project supporters testified

Supporters of the 80 Flatbush development outnumbered opponents three to one among the people who testified at Wednesday's hearing, with 34 speakers for it and 11 against it.

Alloy's co-developer is the New York City Educational Construction Fund. The Fifth Avenue Committee, a nonprofit community development corporation, will build and co-own the 200 units of permanently affordable housing included in the 80 Flatbush proposal.


Fort Greene resident Lucy Koteen voices her opposition to the 80 Flatbush project at a City Planning Commission hearing.


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'We ask for balance,' an opponent says

At Wednesday's hearing, Boerum Hill Association President Howard Kolins said his organization agrees on the need for affordable housing and school construction but opposes Alloy's high-density design.

“The new Brooklyn needs to be built — but not by stepping on the traditional Brooklyn that so many [people] have created by preserving century-old buildings,” Kolins said. “We ask for balance.”
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Project would 'prevent the city from calcifying,' a supporter says

The 34 speakers who testified in support of the 80 Flatbush project included Downtown Brooklyn Partnership President Regina Myer, newly elected Downtown Brooklyn Partnership Chairman Ofer Cohen and members of property services workers union 32BJ SEIU.

Kirk Goodrich of Monadnock Development LLC put in a good word for the 80 Flatbush proposal. His firm recently partnered with Alloy in building residential development One John St. in Brooklyn Bridge Park.

Andrew Kalish, the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership's former director of cultural development, said the 80 Flatbush project “will prevent this city from calcifying and will ensure we continue this great state's slogan, which is ‘ever upwards.’”

That's the English translation for the motto on New York state's seal, which is the Latin word “Excelsior.”
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https://commercialobserver.com/2018/...t-80-flatbush/

City Planning Commission Approves Big Brooklyn Project at 80 Flatbush

BY REBECCA BAIRD-REMBA
AUGUST 6, 2018


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A large and divisive mixed-use development planned for 80 Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn has gotten a sign-off from the City Planning Commission and will go on to the City Council for a vote later this summer.

The vote was unanimous, with one commissioner abstaining and a second recusing herself.

The five-building, 1.3-million-square-foot complex will bring 922 apartments (25 percent of which will rent for below-market rates), two schools and a cultural center to a wedge-shaped lot across from Atlantic Terminal, on the border between Boerum Hill and Downtown Brooklyn. Dumbo-based Alloy Development is partnering with the New York City Educational Construction Fund to build the complex, which will include two 350-seat public schools, 245,000 square feet of office space and 40,000 square feet of retail. The developers are pushing an upzoning through the uniform land use review process (ULURP) in order to build the project, which will be defined by two towers reaching 74 and 38 stories.
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The project heads to the City Council zoning subcommittee for a vote next week, followed by the council land use committee. The full council has to vote on the proposal by the end of September. Councilman Steve Levin oversees the district in which the property sits and has the final say over whether Alloy and ECF get their rezoning.
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Let's hope the Council puts the final touch in, so Brooklyn can continue to rise...



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Let’s hope so. This project will be a major step towards this area finally becoming the urban hub that was envisioned when the Williamsburgh Savings Bank Tower was first built here.
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Now this is trouble, because we know how the "council" works...

https://therealdeal.com/2018/08/15/b...-down-to-size/

Brooklyn councilman wants to cut Alloy’s 80 Flatbush down to size


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...the local city councilman on Tuesday indicated he’d like to see the builders go back to the drawing board.

“I consider it a transitional block,” Councilman Stephen Levin said at a hearing according to Crain’s, “and therefore this is something we are going to have to try and reconcile over the next couple of weeks.”
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The project needed additional zoning approvals from the city and earlier this month received a thumbs up from City Planning, but it still needs the full vote of City Council, where Levin, whose district includes 80 Flatbush, effectively holds the deciding vote.
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but it still needs the full vote of City Council, where Levin, whose district includes 80 Flatbush, effectively holds the deciding vote.
How does this work in NYC? Does the local councilperson have additional powers for zoning projects? Or are they simply saying that they've counted the votes, and he'd essentially be the deciding vote?
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How does this work in NYC? Does the local councilperson have additional powers for zoning projects? Or are they simply saying that they've counted the votes, and he'd essentially be the deciding vote?
The council can send it back to city planning for revisions. The mayor has veto power, but can be overridden by a majority of the council. As far as the council goes, they usually fall in line behind the local councilmember. That ensures their support for votes in their own districts, but is not an honest way to represent the city.
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I really like this building, that's a shame to see such NIMBYism in the world's skyscraper capital

At least there's already a supertall U/C nearby they can't do anything about.
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The council can send it back to city planning for revisions. The mayor has veto power, but can be overridden by a majority of the council.
Okay, so then no different than most councils. I was just curious if there was some rule or procedure that conferred special powers onto a counciller in an area he or she represents, and that doesn't appear to be the case. It's interesting to me because my council doesn't have this same kind of cultural tradition/gentlemen's agreement.

I guess we're going to see just how badly Levin really wants to micro-manage this.
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Okay, so then no different than most councils. I was just curious if there was some rule or procedure that conferred special powers onto a counciller in an area he or she represents, and that doesn't appear to be the case. It's interesting to me because my council doesn't have this same kind of cultural tradition/gentlemen's agreement.

I guess we're going to see just how badly Levin really wants to micro-manage this.
That's why I say we were looking at the local council member, because as always they can be swayed either way. Now, he's on the record as saying he would prefer something "transitional", but who knows what he's saying behind the scenes. I don't think a shorter, wider tower would be accepted by the locals.
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http://www.brooklyneagle.com/article...velopment-plan

Councilmember Levin will seek tweaks to 80 Flatbush development plan


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The City Councilmember whose opinion about the proposed 80 Flatbush development matters most is not ready to approve the project in its current form.
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Levin, who is a member of the subcommittee, said during the hearing that the 80 Flatbush proposal will be his “top priority” in the coming weeks.

After the hearing, he told the Eagle he'll hold an intensive series of meetings with the developer and community members, both separately and together, to discuss key issues.

* They will talk about project density, Levin said.

Alloy is asking the city to triple the site's existing zoning limits.

* They will talk about lowering the height of the towers, Levin said.

Alloy's plans call for two towers. The one that would be the Chrysler Building's height would be 986 feet, or 74 stories, tall. The second tower would be 38 stories tall.

* They will talk about including setbacks on the State Street side of the project, Levin said.

The development site's boundaries are State Street, Third Avenue, Schermerhorn Street and Flatbush Avenue.

“I'm open to compromise from all sides,” Levin told the Eagle. “And my understanding is the community has put forward some reasonable compromise ideas.”
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Brooklyn Borough President said lower that skyscraper height

It would be helpful for Alloy to win Levin's backing.

Because Alloy is asking for zoning changes for the 80 Flatbush project, there's a public approval process that will include a vote by the full City Council.

In votes such as this, City Councilmembers usually follow the lead of their colleague who reps the district where the development site is located.

The public approval process is called a Uniform Land Use Review Procedure, or ULURP.

The most recent step in the process was completed earlier this month — when the City Planning Commission approved Alloy's 80 Flatbush plan.

Earlier in the year, Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams recommended the height of the proposed 986-foot tower be cut to a maximum of 600 feet.


Councilman hints at chopping height of proposed 986-foot Brooklyn tower
Key lawmaker wants project to bridge density of Downtown Brooklyn with low-rise Boerum Hill


By Joe Anuta


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Councilman Stephen Levin wants a development team proposing a 986-foot tower across the street from the Atlantic Terminal transit hub to make it more of a bridge between high-density Downtown Brooklyn and low-rise Boreum Hill. Wielding a key vote on the project, he likely has the leverage to compel such a change—which could conceivably halve the building's height.
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The project has pit neighborhood residents who enjoy their low-rise neighborhood steps from a major transit hub and want to preserve their light and air against others who want to maximize the amount of affordable and market-rate housing near public transportation as the city's economic and population growth drive up housing prices.

In this case, the developers are pitching a higher density than any project built in the area over the past few decades. But for most of the last century, Brooklyn's tallest building by far was 529 feet, a height recently eclipsed by a number of downtown towers, with more in the works.

Atlantic Terminal is one of the most connected train stations in the city, with access to the N, Q, R, W, B, D, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 subway lines and the Long Island Rail Road. The Boerum Hill rowhouse owners' desire to curb the number of apartments nearby flies in the face of a central tenet of city planning: put density next to public transit.
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