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[flar]

This thread has certainly provoked some interesting discussion

Originally Posted by someone123

Is there really any point in living one of a million identical lives?

Originally Posted by rousseau

Such an enigma you are, Mississauga. Demographically, you are one of the most interesting cities on earth. But you look so damn dull and depressing!

Originally Posted by salvius

Interesting photos of a place undergoing re-transformation. Most of the Toronto 'hip' snobs look at Mississauga with derisive why-would-anyone-want-to-live-there commentary. I'm much more optimistic than that: the centre is a massive work in progress, and it is much to early to declare it as a success or failure.

Originally Posted by Doady

Most of Mississauga City Centre is UNDEVELOPED VACANT LAND.

Originally Posted by boden

Ironically enough, this city may very well be the quintessential Canadian city of the future.

Originally Posted by Gerrard

Unlikely in a world of $100.00 a barrel oil.

Originally Posted by WZ1

As for the argument.. you people need to just learn to accept Sauga for what it is.. Sauga is Sauga.. it is what it is.. stop fighting over it.. Yes Sauga is a Suburb, it is also a city.. does it really matter? Most people who live in Sauga are wealthy enough to have not just one car .. but many.. so it doesn't really matter.. people are happy and willing to pay 3 dollars in gas to buy milk.. thats just how it is.. I would go as far as saying.. Mississauga could survive fine with just the GO train system.. the truth is.. the poor people in Mississauga take transit... the rich drive.. anyone who tells you otherwise is full of poop.. or their name is Doady.. (i'm not slamming you doady) ... most people in Sauga have never heard of SSP, nor do they care.. they move to Sauga to have a big house, nice backyard and peace and quiet.. i know thats why i did...

the truth in the matter is.. the older you get, the more money you make.. you will gravitate to the best deal and believe it or not.. your priorities may change.. after working a 10 hour day and getting your ass kicked at work.. when you finnaly get home at 6 or 7 .. sometimes you just want quiet.....

lets face it.. most people who live in Mississauga are suburban people.. they dont care about cities and transit is just something they have to use .. if they could afford a car .. given that they live in Sauga.. they would own one..It is a totaly different situation that Toronto and cannot and should not be compared..

Originally Posted by Canasian

it's an edge city. You will never truly replicate the feel of an original city center with this stuff.

I think these quotes sum things up nicely.

Mississauga "is what it is". It is a suburb that is making a great effort to create an identity and become a city. It is undergoing transformation and is a work in progress. It is extremely diverse, 40% visible minority, 46% born outside Canada, 45% speak a language other than English. It is (and has been) one of Canada's fastest growing communities. It is the subject of much derision by urban dwellers. It is built around 20th century modes of transportation, with Person International Airport and 7 major freeways. It is considering a light rail system. It is generic, just like the suburban areas of every other city in North America. It is not pedestrian friendly but has high transit usage nonetheless. It is not ever going to replicate the feel of traditional urban centres, but may well be the city of the future.

A lot of people like living in places like Mississauga: its growth continues to be phenomenal. Mississauga is more vertical than most suburbs, but the wide roads, freeways, shopping centres, big box stores, cul de sacs, and office parks are what the majority of the population wants because virtually every city in North America has these same suburban elements.

Many of us on SSP love the uniqueness, character and excitement of the world's great urban centres, these are like like lovers of fine wine or jazz. The masses are fine with Coca Cola and pop music. Many people have no problem living "one of a million identical lives". This is the way it has been and always will be. As long as somebody continues the fight to be individual and unique everything will be alright.

Originally Posted by flar

This thread has certainly provoked some interesting discussion

I think these quotes sum things up nicely.

Mississauga "is what it is". It is a suburb that is making a great effort to create an identity and become a city. It is undergoing transformation and is a work in progress. It is extremely diverse, 40% visible minority, 46% born outside Canada, 45% speak a language other than English. It is (and has been) one of Canada's fastest growing communities. It is the subject of much derision by urban dwellers. It is built around 20th century modes of transportation, with Person International Airport and 7 major freeways. It is considering a light rail system. It is generic, just like the suburban areas of every other city in North America. It is not pedestrian friendly but has high transit usage nonetheless. It is not ever going to replicate the feel of traditional urban centres, but may well be the city of the future.

A lot of people like living in places like Mississauga: its growth continues to be phenomenal. Mississauga is more vertical than most suburbs, but the wide roads, freeways, shopping centres, big box stores, cul de sacs, and office parks are what the majority of the population wants because virtually every city in North America has these same suburban elements.

Many of us on SSP love the uniqueness, character and excitement of the world's great urban centres, these are like like lovers of fine wine or jazz. The masses are fine with Coca Cola and pop music. Many people have no problem living "one of a million identical lives". This is the way it has been and always will be. As long as somebody continues the fight to be individual and unique everything will be alright.

Well said, Flar.

[miketoronto]

The best thing to do to stop the great Mississauga is to break it up as soon as possible into smaller municipal councils.

Mississauga could be carved into the following boroughs


AIRPORT AREA
The airport area and all lands within a 5KM distance of the airport, will be annexed to the City of Toronto. Only exception to this will be the Malton area.


MALTON AREA
The Malton area will become the new Borough of Malton.

NEW BOROUGH OF WEST TORONTO
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street and the Toronto City Boundary, and north of Bloor Street.

NEW BOROUGH OF EAST PORT CREDIT
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street and the Toronto City Boundary, and south of Bloor Street.

NEW BOROUGH OF SOUTH BRAMPTON
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street, and Ninth Line, and north of Burnhamthorpe Road.

NEW BOROUGH OF CLARKSON
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street, and Oakville boundary, south of Burnhamthorpe Road.

Public transit services for the new boroughs will be provided by a new regional transit service known as WEST TORONTO TRANSIT.

Peel region will also be changed into the Region of West Toronto.

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Those are the changes that need to be made to put Mississauga in its place. And the more things called Toronto the better. Just to teach them who the suburb is. And who is the boss.

[WZ1]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

The best thing to do to stop the great Mississauga is to break it up as soon as possible into smaller municipal councils.

Mississauga could be carved into the following boroughs


AIRPORT AREA
The airport area and all lands within a 5KM distance of the airport, will be annexed to the City of Toronto. Only exception to this will be the Malton area.


MALTON AREA
The Malton area will become the new Borough of Malton.

NEW BOROUGH OF WEST TORONTO
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street and the Toronto City Boundary, and north of Bloor Street.

NEW BOROUGH OF EAST PORT CREDIT
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street and the Toronto City Boundary, and south of Bloor Street.

NEW BOROUGH OF SOUTH BRAMPTON
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street, and Ninth Line, and north of Burnhamthorpe Road.

NEW BOROUGH OF CLARKSON
Area of Mississauga between Hurontario Street, and Oakville boundary, south of Burnhamthorpe Road.

Public transit services for the new boroughs will be provided by a new regional transit service known as WEST TORONTO TRANSIT.

Peel region will also be changed into the Region of West Toronto.

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Those are the changes that need to be made to put Mississauga in its place. And the more things called Toronto the better. Just to teach them who the suburb is. And who is the boss.

Ummm.. NO.. we already pay the city of Toronto 40 Million a year in taxes.. we want nothing to do with Toronto, its a nice place to work and visit.. but you can keep your land transfer taxes and your dumb ass mayor..

[miketoronto]

Mississauga should be paying more then $40 million a year, considering they would be nothing but dirt fields without Toronto. Mississauga seems to forget that.
Mississauga is becoming to powerfull for a suburb, and it may be time that it gets annexed to Toronto. Mississauga and Vaughan are nothing but leeches that are pulling this regaion apart, and need to be dealt with.

[WhipperSnapper]

and it may be time that it gets annexed to Toronto.

too many suburban councillors already


Maybe it be better to line up every third person in the 905 against the wall and blow their heads off like a true dictator would, Mike.

[WZ1]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

Mississauga should be paying more then $40 million a year, considering they would be nothing buy dirt fields without Toronto. Mississauga seems to forget that.
Mississauga is becoming to powerfull for a suburb, and it may be time that it gets annexed to Toronto. Mississauga and Vaughan are nothing but leeches that are pulling this regaion apart, and need to be dealt with.

care to explain how we can be nothing buy dirt fields?

[MolsonExport]

^a little torture first, or perhaps, boiling them in Oil (a la Mel Lastman)

[Doady]

Speaking of blowing people heads off, the side of the head is not actually the best place to shoot as is commonly thought. The deadliest place to shoot would actually be in the back of the head, near the neck.

[flar]

Mississauga will not be annexed by Toronto anytime soon and probably never. Mississauga and Toronto should definitely cooperate though (obviously!)

Thanks all!!

[raisethehammer]

if I was TO, I'd at least be looking for a way to annex the airport back into Toronto.
Ridiculous that the city of Toronto (the reason that airport exists) doesn't get to enjoy the tax dollars brought in by the airport and surrounding industry.
Mississuga has reaped in all that tax money over the years and squandered it all on this crap.
Brutal.
TO deserves that tax money. After all, it's THEIR airport.

[jeicow]

To be fair, the current Pearson Airport (then Malton) was a civic airport before and was only suppose to be the "alternative" airport (sort of like how Hamilton is now, or what Pickering Airport is suppose to be). Island Airport was suppose to be the primary airport, but the airlines choose to fly into Mississauga rather than Toronto. Go figure. And the amount of money the City receives from the airport in taxes is nothing considering how much land it uses. They've been fighting for years to get a more "appropriate" amount.

And as a side note- most of the landing routes into YYZ go across Mississauga (usualy from the west over 401 and surronding business parks). If you stand at Heartland Town Centre you can sometimes hear the things roaring across the sky.

[miketoronto]

We need a mayor like the one in Chicago. If you drive in Chicago, you will see a tiny strip of land that leads to the airport. Basically the city annexed the small amount of land to make sure the airpot was within Chicago city limits.

We need a nice powerfull mayor who has no problem telling Mississauga where they stand, and that is ready to take back land(convincing the provice to let that happen to)if need be to put the suburbs in shape.

Chicago has no problem telling the suburbs where they sit, as subordinate to the city. And Toronto should start getting a little more demanding.

[salvius]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

We need a mayor like the one in Chicago. If you drive in Chicago, you will see a tiny strip of land that leads to the airport. Basically the city annexed the small amount of land to make sure the airpot was within Chicago city limits.

We need a nice powerfull mayor who has no problem telling Mississauga where they stand, and that is ready to take back land(convincing the provice to let that happen to)if need be to put the suburbs in shape.

Chicago has no problem telling the suburbs where they sit, as subordinate to the city. And Toronto should start getting a little more demanding.

And how exactly do you think that's going to work legally?

[WhipperSnapper]

^obviously, heil miketoronto is above the law

[Doady]

Mississauga made room for an airport, Toronto didn't, and that's why Mississauga has the airport and Toronto has no right to bitch about it.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by jeicow

To be fair, the current Pearson Airport (then Malton) was a civic airport before and was only suppose to be the "alternative" airport (sort of like how Hamilton is now, or what Pickering Airport is suppose to be). Island Airport was suppose to be the primary airport, but the airlines choose to fly into Mississauga rather than Toronto. Go figure. And the amount of money the City receives from the airport in taxes is nothing considering how much land it uses. They've been fighting for years to get a more "appropriate" amount.

The amount of land used is irrelevant. What's important from the point of view of municipal budgets are the services used, and I'm guessing that Pearson doesn't really require that much support from Mississauga since it has a lot of its own infrastructure.

[jeicow]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

We need a mayor like the one in Chicago. If you drive in Chicago, you will see a tiny strip of land that leads to the airport. Basically the city annexed the small amount of land to make sure the airpot was within Chicago city limits.

What difference would that make at all in regards to anything? The airport would still be where it is. The City of Toronto would pretty much have accomplished nothing doing that.

Originally Posted by jeicow

What difference would that make at all in regards to anything? The airport would still be where it is. The City of Toronto would pretty much have accomplished nothing doing that.

You're missing the point. City good. Suburbs bad. City blame city problems on suburbs and tell suburbs to sit on it. Unless that suburb is Scarborough.

[WhipperSnapper]

^Scarborough should have been a hint. No, miketoronto's absurdity knows no bounds. It's not really about surburb vs city but the arbitrary line that separates the 416 area code from the 905.

P.S. I'm fairly certain the airport lies on unincorporated federal land in which the city doesn't see a single dime in tax revenue. (and both sides of the "border" benefit from its close proximity)