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Old Posted Nov 9, 2005, 1:17 AM
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Well.. let's see. Westfield would probably cooperate. But ED would be needed for the offices on J as well as the SRO at 7th and L.

Let's get rolling on this. It's the best spot.
Westfield was less than enthusiatic, I think they even said they weren't interested.

Now that could be the truth (which I can't imagine with the foot traffic it would generate), or it's just the first volley in a long, drawn-out, excruciating negotiation.

But you're right. We really need to get it done at this location. It makes sense on so many levels.
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the problem is the eminent domain process would take too long (with law suits and posturing) and it would end up being 10 years before the arena were completed.
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Now that could be the truth (which I can't imagine with the foot traffic it would generate), or it's just the first volley in a long, drawn-out, excruciating negotiation.

Well, that is the problem. Nobody really has the good of the city at heart. There would not be an eminent domain problem or long, drawn out negotiations if all "sides" would realize they are on the same side, and work to create an awesome sports and entertainment district for the community.
It is kind of like watching 7th graders at a dance - boys on one side and girls on the other. If they would all move to the middle and get together, everyone would have a good time.
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I think I heard that congress is considering changing ED. So better act now before it's too late
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Whats the point of this thread anyway? Just close it already.
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It gives us something to think about when were not talking
about 4 new towers on Capitol Mall.
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They just announced the retirement of City Manager Bob Thomas.


What does that have to do with the arena?? Bob Thomas was one of the biggest obstacles to getting a new arena constructed in Sacramento. Now with him out of the way it opens the way to getting negotiations back on track. (The MaGoofs will be somewhat pleased as they didn't care for Thomas). Hopefully a new City manager can bring forth some fresh ideas that will help find a way to get the arena built.
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Hmmm, I don't know much about that guy but if he was that
big of a hump in negotiations... be gone with ya!
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There was an article a few days back in the bee. Apparently, no ones on the council likes him.

Seem like people think he is a bossy arrogant ass. We know he burned bridges with Fargo. Plus the article said that the he wants to hire one of his long time people to head of some kind of development process. The news was that people thought it would hurt the momentum we have right now.

If that was the case, good riddance.
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Seem like people think he is a bossy arrogant ass. We know he burned bridges with Fargo. Plus the article said that the he wants to hire one of his long time people to head of some kind of development process. The news was that people thought it would hurt the momentum we have right now.

If that was the case, good riddance.



Well said!!

I think Ray Kerrdige is doing one heck of a job in the planning department, and the last thing he needed was Thomas sticking his nose in messing things up.


I hope they conduct a nationwide search this time. Thomas was the County Executive prior to the City Manager and I knew when he assumed the City Manager role, that he was going to be dead weight.
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Hmmm, I don't know much about that guy but if he was that
big of a hump in negotiations... be gone with ya!

The MaGoofs couldn't stand him.
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I think Ray Kerrdige is doing one heck of a job in the planning department, and the last thing he needed was Thomas sticking his nose in messing things up.
I don't think it was for Kerrdiges job, but it was some kind of upper up job
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Nicely said guys. If he wanted to stiffle Sacramento that much, then don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
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Kings lose to the Pistons 102-88

Nice offensive effort guys. Oh, and good job allowing 31 points in the first quarter.
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Arena related??

KCRA Reports SACRAMENTO, -- What started as a report that the Sacramento city manager was about to be fired quickly escalated into a well-known power struggle with the mayor that has now cost him his job.

City Manager Bob Thomas announced his retirement Tuesday night, receiving a standing ovation from staff after he finished.
"It's a great city, and we need to make sure it stays a great city," Thomas said.

The announcement comes one week after reports that Thomas' job was in jeopardy. He has publicly with Mayor Heather Fargo in recent months over his refusal to back her arena proposal and for his handling of the city firefighter sex scandal.

However, the mayor kept all comments positive Tuesday night, saying Thomas has been a key part of the city for past six years.

"Bob has been an integral, key person for us in the city of Sacramento for decades, not only as city manager, but before that, in a number of different positions. He is a lot of the reason why we are in such healthy fiscal shape here in the city," Fargo said.

"We can't dwell on tensions. ... The issue that has been worked out is in the best interest of the city," Thomas said.

Thomas will retire effective Dec. 31. A search for his replacement will begin soon, according to officials.
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From The Bee today:

"More recently, Tretheway and Cohn said that new council members have grown uneasy with Thomas' military style of leadership.

"Other council members were upset when Thomas signaled he intended to tap longtime employee Carol Shearly to head the city's vacant development services department, a move that critics thought would jeopardize Sacramento's development momentum.

"They wanted that job to go to relative newcomer Bill Thomas.

"Thomas and Assistant City Manager Ray Kerridge had been a successful team in Portland, Ore., and there was a desire to keep that team intact."
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Kings apologize for Detroit-bashing pictures


November 10, 2005
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- The Sacramento Kings bought full-page ads in two newspapers to apologize for showing derogatory images of Detroit on video screens prior to their home opener against the Pistons.

When the Pistons were introduced Tuesday night, the Arco Arena scoreboard flashed pictures of abandoned buildings, burned-out cars, piles of rubble and other negative images of Detroit. The Pistons won the game 102-88.

The Kings apologized that night and owners Joe and Gavin Maloof bought a full-page ad that ran in Thursday editions of The Detroit News, expressing ``great respect for Detroit's long and rich tradition as a landmark American city and the incredibly positive impact the Motor City has made over the course of our country's history.''

The ad will also run in Friday editions of the Detroit Free Press.

``We all feel terrible that we made just a big mistake, and we want to communicate that,'' Kings spokeswoman Sonja Brown told the News.

Pistons coach Flip Saunders said he and his assistants were initially angered by the display, but settled down after hearing from the Kings.

``Their organization has always been very first-class. Opening night, sometimes they get really excited,'' Saunders told the Free Press. ``Some of their people, they just really weren't quite thinking all the way.''

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said the league is reviewing the incident.

NBA policy prohibits ``ridiculing of opponents or game officials ... via PA announcements, video, or matrix displays, music or mascot skits.''



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http://www.capradio.org/articles/art...articleid=1756

THE SECOND OF A TWO PART SERIES PRODUCED IN COLLABORATION WITH COMSTOCK'S MAGAZINE

The first thing that strikes you about the Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis is that it’s a whole lot larger than ARCO Arena. The basketball court is the same regulation size, of course. But after that, just about everything about Conseco is bigger. It has a thousand more seats, an expansive lobby with public art, restaurants and lounges with a direct view of the main court or practice areas, three concourses on different levels, and more.

Ted Gaines, a Placer County Supervisor, says he likes Conseco’s amenities. “From every area within the arena, you have better legroom, you have a good view of the game, it’s just more of a first class facility, and I think that’s what we need.”

Rancho Cordova city councilwoman Linda Budge says the arenas in Sacramento and Indianapolis reflect different eras. “There’s a completely different structure to public spaces like the basketball arenas today than there was when ARCO was built. There’s so much concentration on wonderful big open public spaces.”

Budge also likes Conseco’s urban setting. “This is very much a downtown facility, the same way ARCO could be a downtown facility. We need to fit it into our cityscape in downtown Sacramento, and we need to keep it on the light rail line.”

A lot of the difference between ARCO and the newer arena in Indianapolis is outside the main room where basketball is played.Rich Capp, vice president of Pacers Sports and Entertainment, took the Sacramento delegation on a tour. “This is our dock area. We can handle up to five semis at one time, or buses. For shows that travel, they can travel with as many as 18 semis.”
“We host multiple events, football, hockey, stars on ice, circus, those type of events. Every seat in the building is designed with a sight line toward the basketball court.”

David Hosley of public television station KVIE served on a commission that concluded ARCO Arena is nearly obsolete. He likes what he sees at Conseco. “ You understand that the concourses are much more commodious, and the skyboxes clearly are superior to the ones we have currently at ARCO. So we got to see all of that up close. And I think that the people who have come on this trip now have a better understanding why there is a critical need to find a way to finance a new arena in the Sacramento region.”

But a new arena is likely to cost around $400 million, and right now there’s no plan on the table, and no consensus on who should pay for construction. Spokesmen Maloof Sports and Entertainment, which owns the Sacramento Kings and ARCO Arena, declined to comment for this story.

Realistically, any arena plan that involves large amounts of tax money will generate lots of debate, and some potent opposition. Professor Bob Waste of Sacramento State says that politically, it was a lot easier for Indianapolis to build a new arena than it will be for Sacramento. “In basketball terms, I think they made an easy two point lay up. We have an outside three point shot. Let me tell you why. In Indiana, you don’t have to have a two-thirds majority to support a tax, for those first seven things they used to pay for that. Second, they have Unigov, a consolidated city/county government. So their political landscape is a lot less complicated than ours. And the third thing is that they haven’t tried to do this three or four times, and left a muddy track record.”

Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson takes the view that a new arena is not entirely about keeping the Kings, or even basketball in general. “We ought to think about what it means to US. What does it mean to us to have a first class entertainment and sports facility? What does it mean to be able to attract the best in entertainers from around the country and around the world? We need world class facilities to do that. And so I think it’s really a question of ‘What’s it worth to us?’ as opposed to ‘What’s it worth to the Kings?’ And that’s something that often gets lost in this conversation.”

It’s a conversation that will include some major value judgments. The question of whether or not to build a new arena is ultimately a regional decision. It will require a broad consensus, and involve hundreds of millions of dollars. Not to mention land use and transit impacts that will affect property values and traffic patterns for decades to come.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2005, 3:44 AM
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I was reading in the Business Journal (this week) that Sacramento has $800,000,000 in redevelopment bond capacity now that they've renewed the DT redevelopment area for another 13 years. 100 million $$$ will be spent on capital improvements DT starting in 2006. Probably K street as well as the CC Theater. My question is why not invest another $400 million of that for a DT arena???

I additon, get the local Native American Tribes who operate local Casinos to invest, since all have expressed interest in helping to get a new arena built.
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...And find out exactly how much the Maloof's fair amount is. And make Tsukapolis wants to invest some
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Seriously, that is A LOT of money for redevelopment, and I think a new arena downtown could certainly revitalize the area.
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