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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 6:51 PM
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is this more in tune:

We are bringing you non-renovated, poorly maintained, and undesirable housing at low low affordable prices.... looking for an illegally converted garden apartment that floods when it rains? logan square is your place! cash only please and no written leases.


I've always thought the term "garden" unit was such a funny euphemism. Yeah... you're in the dirt! (I lived in a Logan Square garden unit for years.)
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I've always thought the term "garden" unit was such a funny euphemism. Yeah... you're in the dirt! (I lived in a Logan Square garden unit for years.)
The best thing is to combine the garden apartment with a clogged catch-basin. Never realized before that the tub is the lowest point in the system when it backs up.
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 7:03 PM
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The best thing is to combine the garden apartment with a clogged catch-basin. Never realized before that the tub is the lowest point in the system when it backs up.
The tub fills up with free "fertilizer" for your "garden unit" whenever it rains!
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 7:18 PM
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After reading it again, it seems that if it's a simply rezoning, then the project can be in any ward in the city. If it's a PD, then it must be in a ward with less than 10% affordable housing.
No it only applies to "affordable applications" as defined by the proposed ordinance which only occur in "underserved wards".

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This will help a lot of smaller developers, who now they don't have to go through neighborhood organizations just to build a six flat. I can also imagine downtown developers benefiting since they can propose a massive project without having to deal with Ald Reilly.
Funny you should mention Reilly.
About the only ward I can think of that might qualify as underserved is the 42nd. Reilly of course didn't sign on.

Wicker Park, where I keep a close watch on these things, has had a major decline in affordable units over the years. But, according to the ACS our lower quartile contract rents are still below $900. Meaning around 25% of the units should qualify as affordable.

And we're probably the highest rent portion of the 1st and 32nd wards and are probably balancing the Streeterville portion of the 2nd.

A quick check of some Lincoln Park tracts, show pretty much the same thing.

Best I can tell, the only outcome would be to streamline some multi family downtown. And then only it they plan to build the required affordables on site. Which no one wants to do.
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 7:51 PM
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No it only applies to "affordable applications" as defined by the proposed ordinance which only occur in "underserved wards".
Affordable applications were apparently given two definitions: A PD "for property located in an Underserved Ward", and "shall also mean any application for a zoning change which triggers the" ARO, assuming the application provides on site units. The article also highlighted the two definitions

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About the only ward I can think of that might qualify as underserved is the 42nd. Reilly of course didn't sign on.
I believe the city's designates affordable units as being exclusively to people at 60% AMI or below, so a ward with cheap rents can still be considered underserved if the units aren't exclusive. In the ARO pilots, it looks like affordable units can be leased from 80%-100% AMI. Either way, I'm surprised that the ordinance was vague about this and didn't make this explicitly clear
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 8:04 PM
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Are you talking about Google ops center or are you talking about Peoples? If you are talking about Google then I have my hand ready for a giant facepalm for thinking their "operations center" has to mostly do with CS. Most CS that Google has is contracted out. My girlfriend is in marketing for an ecommerce company, and she does things like run ad campaigns on Google. I guarantee you the CS part is more contracted out. Google is not opening an a 5000 person glorified call center. This is stupid, especially when they are literally inventing technology right now to literally get rid of CSR for many companies. You take the term way too literally. The word operations especially in tech could mean a million different things. I'm thinking and laughing to what I do right now, which is software development. I work with many people who work in "operations" which is basically an umbrella term with numerous different types of jobs...all high skilled and well paying. None have to do with CSR at all.
It's not stupid, but thanks.

I worked at Google for 3 years here in Chicago. I know what I'm talking about. 90% of Google employees are in ad sales/ad support.

It's a call center for selling ads to and supporting small companies like your corner barber shop that buy these ads. The SMB market requires a lot of manpower support.

But calling it a call center does not get tax incentives raining down on you from politicians now does it?
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 9:32 PM
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Affordable applications were apparently given two definitions: A PD "for property located in an Underserved Ward", and "shall also mean any application for a zoning change which triggers the" ARO, assuming the application provides on site units. The article also highlighted the two definitions
I still had the ordinance up on my computer and took another look.
You're right. They added the "any application the triggers" portion below the PD definition and it muddied the waters.

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I believe the city's designates affordable units as being exclusively to people at 60% AMI or below, so a ward with cheap rents can still be considered underserved if the units aren't exclusive. In the ARO pilots, it looks like affordable units can be leased from 80%-100% AMI. Either way, I'm surprised that the ordinance was vague about this and didn't make this explicitly clear
The only definition that applies to this is 2-45-115(B)

“Affordable housing” means (1) with respect to rental housing, housing that is affordable to households earning up to 60 percent of the Chicago Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area median income

No mention of income limits, or eligibility criteria, just that it is affordable to them.

Works out to $889 for a studio and $1015 for a 1br.


The pilot areas are sections 117 and 119. Their definitions shouldn't apply, but 115 is sufficiently interwoven into those sections that I am uncertain as to whether this would apply to any pilot projects, all pilot projects, or just the "first units" in the pilot projects. In fact, it could supercede the pilot areas all together.

In any event, it is so poorly drafted that corporation council is gonna have a lot of billable hours working out the implications.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 4:30 AM
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It's not stupid, but thanks.

I worked at Google for 3 years here in Chicago. I know what I'm talking about. 90% of Google employees are in ad sales/ad support.

It's a call center for selling ads to and supporting small companies like your corner barber shop that buy these ads. The SMB market requires a lot of manpower support.

But calling it a call center does not get tax incentives raining down on you from politicians now does it?
Except that's not a call center, just because people are using a phone doesn't mean it's a call center. No one I know would consider sales teams a "call center", that's absurd. Call center is like "umm my gas is shut off"... "Did you pay your bill?"... "No"... "..." Or "my Google home won't work"... "Did you plug it in"... "No"... "..."
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 1:06 PM
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13th and Michigan

I really hope this is s rehab .....

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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 1:30 PM
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It seems almost too good to be true? I've read about it a couple places and it seems like it will make it much easier to get zoning changes that provide density?

Like, if someone proposes a six flat in an area that is zoned for single family only...

...if that area has less than 10% affordable housing.
...and if the six flat has one affordable unit

Then the zoning change will be approved automatically within 90-days unless the board actively denies it? And the alderman can't block it? Is that correct?

We're still a long way from where I'd like to be--we should be able to build courtyard buildings with no parking as-of-right just about anywhere in the city with no red tape. But, man, if this goes through and we get some good neighborhood infill, Chicago's going to be a much more pleasant place to live, work and spend time in in a decade or two.
I hope this passes, and hopefully would apply to projects like the apartment building they were going to build on Lincoln Ave in Lincoln park, which got shut down by the neighbors...I would LOVE to see that get built!! And hopefully it does, and makes the NIMBYS mad!! lol
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 1:37 PM
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13th and Michigan

I really hope this is s rehab .....
It's not a police station. It's part of Columbia College and has been since 1999. It's their dance center, which is pretty obvious from the "Columbia College Dance Center" stuff in your picture

https://about.colum.edu/archives/col...h-michigan.php

https://dance.colum.edu/
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 1:39 PM
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It's not a police station. It's part of Columbia College and has been since 1999. It's their dance center, which is pretty obvious from the "Columbia College Dance Center" stuff in your picture

https://about.colum.edu/archives/col...h-michigan.php

https://dance.colum.edu/
Sorry old Police station - Where I did my first Jury duty - also been booked there IIRC.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 1:46 PM
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Sorry old Police station - Where I did my first Jury duty - also been booked there IIRC.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of another place? The first link goes through the history of the building but doesn't mention that.

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1306 South Michigan Avenue was built in 1930 by architect Anker S. Graven. This sleek four-story Art Deco building, clad in limestone, was erected as the Paramount Publix Corporation as a film exchange, a venue for the presentation of films to the independent cinema operators throughout the Midwest who could rent them for exhibition at their theaters. The studio occupied the building up to about 1950, when it was taken over by the Equitable Life Assurance Company. In the 1970s it was known as the Seafarers International Union Building. The City of Chicago took possession of it in a tax sale in 1984, and used it for the Health Department’s Environmental Health Clinic. The building was acquired by Columbia College in 1999 for use as the school’s Dance Center. After extensive interior renovation and adaptation, the Dance Center opened its state-of-the-art educational and public performance facilities in the fall of 2000.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 2:33 PM
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What's now Aviation Lofts, near 14th St., was Domestic Violence Court in the 1970s, and may have had other (jury) trials. There must have been a lockup, too, as the taxi drivers knew they could offer rides home to the prostitutes being released each morning at 9 in exchange for, um, services.

But I suspect Harry is thinking of the police station and courthouse at "11th & State."
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The base in the first picture looks like something straight out of some parts of China for commercial centers LOL. I like the top though - great density for the area.
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Wow, that's an incredibly dense proposal. I wonder how the community & alderman are going to take it?
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Random thought, will this addition to the Sears Tower change its official square footage total? I'd imagine this would have to add a couple hundred thousand square feet. I could be overestimating though.

Also, "The base in the first picture looks like something straight out of some parts of China for commercial centers LOL. I like the top though - great density for the area."

Is this a good or bad thing marothisu?
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Also, "The base in the first picture looks like something straight out of some parts of China for commercial centers LOL. I like the top though - great density for the area."

Is this a good or bad thing marothisu?
Neither. It brings back memories as it looks just like this commercial center near the hotel I stayed at in Shenyang, China last year and a few others I saw in Shanghai.

The density aspect is definitely good though
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