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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 3:31 PM
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Need to see some better renderings, but I'm fairly impressed with the Toronto courthouse from what I see. These are extremely difficult buildings to embrace elaborate design or any type of flair. Due to both utility and security reasons. When it's tried it often comes off as ridiculous or ends up getting watered down. Best to keep it simple and clean.
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Here's the renders for Toronto's Courthouse just northwest of the current City hall. The architect chosen is Renzo Piano. (From UT, just posting them here if anyones not interested in going to the forums and just wants the photos on here)


A courtroom in this project, rendered:

The rendered atrium space:


I like it, it will block out a couple of ugly buildings from view and it's replacing one of the few remaining surface lot's in the area. I'm not too familiar with this project but will this be replacing the courts at Old City Hall? One thing I would have liked to have seen is the corner facing Nathan Philips Square could have used some sort of green element to soften it up a bit.

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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 4:37 PM
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The courts are moving out of Old city Hall in 2021

A number of options are being considered including using it entirely for city offices or entirely as commercial office space. A number of mixed use options are being considered too incorporating a Toronto museum and/or a Library with commercial space.
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Hope they do something nice with the inner courtyard at Old City Hall (the recommendation is to cover it which doesn't sound like a good idea to me). Anyway, this looks like a solid proposal although must say I was expecting something a bit more interesting.
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The courts are moving out of Old city Hall in 2021

A number of options are being considered including using it entirely for city offices or entirely as commercial office space. A number of mixed use options are being considered too incorporating a Toronto museum and/or a Library with commercial space.
The idea of incorporating a City of Toronto museum really appeals to me.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 5:23 PM
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Hope they do something nice with the inner courtyard at Old City Hall (the recommendation is to cover it which doesn't sound like a good idea to me). Anyway, this looks like a solid proposal although must say I was expecting something a bit more interesting.

If they cover it it might make for a nice oasis in winter months. As long Old City Hall is restored as best possible while taking on a 3rd life and the public has access to it I'll be happy. I recall councilor Mammoliti a few years back tried to push that councilors could move in there to have big offices to show off to visiting dignitaries. I'm glad that got no traction.



Just came across this. Dated Feb 1st
Old City Hall set to become home to a museum of Toronto
After courts vacate Old City Hall, the building could house a museum, cafe, gift shop, wedding chapel and library.


https://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...f-toronto.html

City council voted 35-3 to turn Old City Hall into a museum of Toronto, predicting tourists and Torontonians will flock to the exhibits.

Under a preliminary plan approved Thursday, the iconic building that now houses courtrooms and holding cells will also get a large public library, wedding chapel, museum gift shop, café or restaurant and space to be rented out.

Councillor Josh Matlow spoke passionately about the opportunity presented by provincial courts moving out of the city-owned building on Queen St. West.

Showcasing exhibits about the history and culture of Toronto will let tourists “fall in love” with Canada’s biggest city rather than the “date” of traditional touristic sampling, he said.

“We have our moment to finally create this museum of Toronto … to return old city hall to the people,” Matlow said.

Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam also championed the “incredible opportunity.” She said the museum could showcase Toronto’s Indigenous history “that was also erased”, the stories of regular Torontonians and gay Torontonians’ fight for equality.

The city owns about 150,000 historic objects and artworks, almost all of them stored in boxes and never or rarely seen by the public.

City staff believe the new museum would also benefit from donations of historically significant items from Torontonians.

What it would not display, most likely, is a profit. Staff say revenues from admission fees around $16 per adult, a gift shop, café and leased space would almost certainly not cover the costs of the museum and building, a national historic site completed in 1899. Few if any international museums pay for themselves without subsidy, staff added.

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It's hard to tell if it will pan out given this being Toronto and all, but I'd love to see a City of Toronto museum at Old City Hall. A revamp of the street level interaction would be nice too. It's not as bad as some on UT claim (worse than anything in Africa!!) but definitely seen better days.

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I don't know where I saw them back the front half of the main floor would be a Library with the rear being the museum. The rest of the building would be leaseable office space. It would be a small space feeding off the Library. I'm not too worried in this scenario. The courtyard would be filled in too.
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Am I the only one who finds that new courthouse underwhelming? It looks like a generic office building with a pointless spire thrown on top.
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The renderings aren't great. I don't see a typical single skin facade on closer inspection. The NY Times tower comes to mind with the floating Terracotta strips however, in a style that compliments the Superior Court across the street. No, nothing about this is generic.
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What's the point of that little bit of green on the roof? I don't see any outdoor space. If it's some sort of inner garden on the top floor the renders don't show? I think it's a handsome little box that serves it's purpose. One more thing, will they be making the guilty walk the plank? I count 8 on the east side of the structure.
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Am I the only one who finds that new courthouse underwhelming? It looks like a generic office building with a pointless spire thrown on top.
Yup. Looks like an office proposal in Kansas City.
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It wasn't designed to be flashy, or to compete with City Hall...
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Woah. It looks like a complex proposal with all those buildings for the retail. Not bad of a design, looks just like the twins on Toronto's waterfront. Not bad London.
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Yup. Looks like an office proposal in Kansas City.
That doesn't make any sense. Kansas City doesn't build generic office towers.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2018, 5:43 AM
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Woah. It looks like a complex proposal with all those buildings for the retail. Not bad of a design, looks just like the twins on Toronto's waterfront. Not bad London.
The podium loses its lustre with two unsympathetic twin towers thrown on top. Must be the same architect as West Harbour City.
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I agree....it's design just doesn't go together. Almost as if it want's to be like 1 Yorkville but with two towers and a larger site.
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Proposals for Burquitlam, this is up the road a few blocks from Lougheed TC at the Burquitlam skytrain station

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Six highrise residential towers from 24 to 48-storeys in height;
Two rental towers of 37-storeys;
Four condo towers of 24, 25, 43 & 48-storeys;
654 rental units;
1,187 condo units;
132 seniors market rental units;
20-40 below market rental units;
standalone amenity building;
total density of 5.50 FAR;
2,350 parking stalls;
Extension of Emerson Street and new East-West road.







the greyed out buildings either already exist or are under construction



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this is how the area basically looks now, mostly 3 storey rentals

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That's pretty par-for-the-course for London. Not the greatest but I can't see it turning out too bad. It would be nice to see more condo developments start to take off downtown.
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