The Great Canadian Sports Attendance, Marketing and TV Ratings Thread

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

LOL at comparing the entire CFL numbers to the Jay's numbers. And what about when Hockey starts up in 2 months, say goodbye to CFL numbers to our NHL teams. The Jays still out perform most MLB teams in numbers even when they are in a slump.

If you look at history, CFL viewership does not go down when the NHL starts up, most people are done with summer and watch more TV.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

If you look at history, CFL viewership does not go down when the NHL starts up, most people are done with summer and watch more TV.

CFL ratings generally go up as the season progresses especially after Labour Day when the bullets really start to fly.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

30 000 for a game in Calgary is pretty good, can't really expect much more than that...

Found this over in the CFL thread and decided to drag it here. The Stamps used to routinely get 30K+ to games.

Number of home games with 30K+ attendance, per year, Calgary (with season avg.):

2008: 9 (32,523)
2009: 9 (36,502)
2010: 5 (30,715)
2011: 3 (30,539)
2012: 2 (28,665)
2013: 3 (29,263)
2014: 3 (29,559)
2015: 4 (30,154)
2016: 1 (27,474)

McMahon's usual max capacity is 35,400 (was previously 35,650). Stadium was expanded in 2009 temporarily prior to hosting the Grey Cup.

[snowmobile]

I don't understand why its wrong to compare CFL numbers against Jays. They play the same number of games in a weekend so baseball fans and football fans have equal opportunity to watch an event. Looks like Jays are no longer must see TV. July 7th week on numeris had blue jays game average just over 600k so I believe these latest numbers.

[WhipperSnapper]

Umm... the Jays are on every single day. You can afford to miss a game on a precious weekend.

[snowmobile]

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. He was referring to the cfl numbers not averaging 1 mill

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by snowmobile

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. He was referring to the cfl numbers not averaging 1 mill

Ah, that's my bad. I assumed he was quoting Jays.

Anyway, for those wondering, Jays attendance average was actually up y/y through this May over last season. Average was down roughly 2K for June compared to last season.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Or you just just post your link to where Madani said it and we can go and check it out for ourselves?

Or maybe you can't "because it goes against the grain of your narrative?"

[elly63]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

Or you just just post your link to where Madani said it and we can go and check it out for ourselves?

Or maybe you can't "because it goes against the grain of your narrative?"

Why should I do your work for you. He said it, I could care less if you guys believe it or not. The reason people remember it, as I said before, was that it seemed a positive thing that seat sold revenue could be that low in light of his almost total CFL trolling which was so blatantly obvious that the CFL PR guy actually called him out on it, an almost unprecedented thing for a pro league employee to do. Or is him being called out by the CFL PR guy something else not to believe?

[elly63]

Just read that the Argos attendance is based on scanned tickets (AIS) asses in seats and not tickets sold. Interesting. A proper (and truthful) rebuild is in the works.

[corbinwilcock]

Hey all, this may have been covered earlier but just wondering how viewers per game (particularly CFL) on TV, are measured?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by corbinwilcock

Hey all, this may have been covered earlier but just wondering how viewers per game (particularly CFL) on TV, are measured?

Numeris

Diary Surveys – from design to data delivery

1. The geographic markets used for measuring and reporting radio and TV audiences are defined using data from Statistics Canada and Canada Post.

2. Survey Design staff determines the number of respondents, diary mail-outs and telephone listings needed to conduct each survey in each market.

3. A process called RDD (Random Digit Dialing) is used in each market as the basis for the weekly survey recruitment.

4. Enumeration departments in Montreal, Toronto and Moncton recruit households to participate in each upcoming survey and Diary packages are delivered to all participants in each household.

5. Diary information is captured by an electronic scanning system. Data is validated and processed.

6. Following a final data check, radio and TV database files are produced and supplied to third party processors for distribution to members via electronic software programs.

7. Once surveys have been processed, approved and released, members can then access opinions expressed on the comments page of each diary.

Panel Meter – from design to data delivery

1. Each month, approximately 50,000 randomly selected homes with a landline or mobile telephone are called.

2. A large-scale, monthly telephone survey called an Establishment Survey is conducted to determine the status of households within each of the meter markets.

3. Candidates are randomly selected from the Establishment Survey sample frame to take part in the Electronic Meter Panel.

4. Once a household is recruited, it receives a package containing a Personal People Meter (PPM), a portable charger and a headphone adapter for each household member.

5. Each household is assigned a Panel Administration Team member who remains in contact throughout participation, answering questions, updating household information, and providing coaching to encourage each member of the home to meet the minimum carrying times each day.

6. The PPM is carried by each member of the home who is two years of age or older. It automatically records and time-stamps inaudible codes that are embedded in the audio of television and radio signals.

7. Each respondent's data is checked for compliance and validated against metrics at the household level.

8. Once final data checks are complete, radio and TV database files are produced and supplied to third party processors for distribution to members via electronic software.

9. Television databases are released daily and radio databases are released monthly.

[lrt's friend]

Sounds like the typical Canadian inferiority complex, which makes for a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Let's face it, if we don't support the CFL and its generally exciting brand of football, the end product will be one NFL team in Toronto with the Toronto media ramming it down the rest of the country's throats, just like the Blue Jays and the Raptors.

Perhaps, we should call the NHL bush league too because there is teams in Canada's smaller cities. I have been told that Ottawa doesn't deserve an NHL team, so why not go to the one team serves all for Canada.

At that point, I will tune out of pro sports entirely.

[JHikka]

July 25-30, 2017

TORONTO/ANAHEIM...............JULY 28-30...MLB...ROGERS CENTRE...TORONTO.........44,394 (133,182 TOTAL)
TORONTO/OAKLAND..............JULY 25-27...MLB...ROGERS CENTRE...TORONTO.........43,364 (130,092 TOTAL)
SASKATCHEWAN/TORONTO...JULY 29.........CFL...MOSAIC.................REGINA..........33,350
EDMONTON/BC.....................JULY 28........CFL...COMMONWEALTH...EDMONTON......32,837
TORONTO/NYCFC...................JULY 30.......MLS....BMO FIELD...........TORONTO........29,203

WINNIPEG/MONTREAL.....JULY 27....CFL....IGF............WINNIPEG.....25,931
CALGARY/HAMILTON.......JULY 29....CFL...MCMAHON....CALGARY......25,492
OTTAWA/TFCII...............JULY 29....USL....TD PLACE.....OTTAWA.......6,763
EDMONTON/INDY...........JULY 30....NASL...CLARKE.....EDMONTON.....3,285

Notes:

• Blue Jays continue with great attendance despite lagging behind in standings
• Roughriders sell out
• Eskimos continue their 30K+ streak
• TFC get their highest attendance of the season

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by JHikka

July 25-30, 2017

TORONTO/ANAHEIM...............JULY 28-30...MLB...ROGERS CENTRE...TORONTO.........44,394 (133,182 TOTAL)
TORONTO/OAKLAND..............JULY 25-27...MLB...ROGERS CENTRE...TORONTO.........43,364 (130,092 TOTAL)
SASKATCHEWAN/TORONTO...JULY 29.........CFL...MOSAIC.................REGINA..........33,350
EDMONTON/BC.....................JULY 28........CFL...COMMONWEALTH...EDMONTON......32,837
TORONTO/NYCFC...................JULY 30.......MLS....BMO FIELD...........TORONTO........29,203

WINNIPEG/MONTREAL.....JULY 27....CFL....IGF............WINNIPEG.....25,931
CALGARY/HAMILTON.......JULY 29....CFL...MCMAHON....CALGARY......25,492
OTTAWA/TFCII...............JULY 29....USL....TD PLACE.....OTTAWA.......6,763
EDMONTON/INDY...........JULY 30....NASL...CLARKE.....EDMONTON.....3,285

Notes:

• Blue Jays continue with great attendance despite lagging behind in standings
• Roughriders sell out
• Eskimos continue their 30K+ streak
• TFC get their highest attendance of the season

How many of these would be sell outs?
Regina for sure, maybe Edmonton soccer?

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

Regina for sure, maybe Edmonton soccer?

Regina was a sellout for CFL. I believe Clarke's capacity for FC Edmonton games is ~4K but don't quote me on it. They're having their best season ever for attendance by what I can find but they're usually shy of selling out.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

How many of these would be sell outs?
Regina for sure, maybe Edmonton soccer?

Most Jays games against popular teams are sellouts, even if the fans don't show. I'm heading to the Yankees game tonight and those tickets go fast early in the year. I'm sure the crowd will be between-41-42500 tonight.

[elly63]

Shania Twain to headline Grey Cup halftime.

[DLLB]

Wpg had a few more fans that Cgy. Not a knock of Cgy, just disappointing.

WINNIPEG/MONTREAL.....JULY 27....CFL....IGF............WINNIPEG.....25,931
CALGARY/HAMILTON.......JULY 29....CFL...MCMAHON....CALGARY......25,492

McMahon is an utter disgrace to the city of Calgary.

[snowmobile]

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